OMGImInPattaya Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 It's a good thing that we're spoiled for choice of carriers for international flights here in Thailand and so there is no need to rely on any Thai based carrier to get us to where we need to go. It is such a pity what cronism, nepotism, and partisan politics has done to the once proud Thai aviation sector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I hope it is not like an english teacher's recruitment by local schools where white skin is the prime qualification and having a degree or not is secondary. Looks trump everything here and also it seems on the hair dye thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geronimo Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 How does one unravel Thainess, face, and corruption? Just live here until it becomes unimportant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I teach aviation English. Don't expect any help from me. "chicken or beef?" "orange juice or apple juice?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 the average rate for Telecoms Site Mangers in Munich is between 450 and 550 Euros per day, which is about 17000 to 21000 baht per day, I do not think the Thais would be willing to pay that much for Airplane specialists. most of the contractors I work with are on a months notice, Thai would have to cover airplane tickets, accommodation, visas and work permits fees, also look at tax incentives to even get people interested. 400 contractors x 19000 baht per day for 6 months is around 1,400,000,000 baht not including expenses. Plus the agency will actually want around 100 euros per day per person so another 3800 baht per day per contractor is another 278,000,000 Baht in 6 months just for the agency, so a very expensive undertaking. . Correct,that amount needed for Freebies for the Bosses free family flights. Only way back to profit is give it to Virgin or Ryanair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 The Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) and other related agencies were ordered to outsource the work to experts since there are around 400 aircraft that need to be inspected. 400 aircraft. Retrace the whole maintenance intervals? Spare parts relative evidence? Those specialists do not grow on trees. That costs real money. If the documentation isn't right it is impossible.....If they have no records of the maintenance (or faulty one). Or if you doubt the records....Common in other jobs to just sign all the necessary things but only do what you think is important. Original vs. copied spare parts is surely also a problem in Thailand. I can't even imagine how much that might cost if the service record is not OK and you must consider it as not done.....for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 the average rate for Telecoms Site Mangers in Munich is between 450 and 550 Euros per day, which is about 17000 to 21000 baht per day, I do not think the Thais would be willing to pay that much for Airplane specialists You're right, it's going to cost a whole lot more than that. They will have to pay it. They said 'foreign' and not 'europeans'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryp Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 this will be killing the amata ...what will these forigners be granted... 89 day visas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZurf Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Why should a Farang get pay more than a Thai He can learn a lot in Thailand What, like English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I can see it now...hordes of foreign experts drawing a pay much more than two Thai department managers... And you know why problems have come to roost today... Thai administration in the international arena! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ichabod Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Shows how vastly incompetent the soldiers are at running the country. The ICAO publicly announced the possible ban on March 20, 2015. To date the junta has done exactly nothing about it. So, now they have to scramble to hire foreigners en masse and quickly and then revamp their procedures or else their one good earner, the tourism industry, will suffer. In the meantime guys with the guns are busy lining their pockets from public projects and salivating over submarines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) "The Cabinet earlier approved the plan to quickly hire foreign inspectors due to a domestic shortage of aviation safety specialists. The DCA said Thailand needed around 86 foreign inspectors to cover the inspection work." This action was needed several months ago, why did the DCA wait until now, to start doing it ? Because the FAA finally took the long-threatened action, which forced the DCA/Cabinet's hand, surely not ? The downgrade might have been avoided, had there not been this ridiculous reluctance, to admit that there aren't enough Thais with the necessary qualifications and experience, so help from elsewhere is needed ! Edited December 5, 2015 by Ricardo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebell Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 When the foreigners have fixed the planes they can start on: Education; Road Safety; Policing; Water Management; Solar Energy and Television. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I pity the guys that take on this gig. They'll be met with lots of smiles, grins, nods and agreement & the locals will keep on doing things the EXACT SAME WAY. I have been there, done that, so I know. sorry mister, no can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Are they saying that the RTAF personell could'nt cut it?......so finally pesky foreigners will be needed..... Eaze up a bit on the airforce they.....don't fly 767's or A330's! And don't have to comply with standards or audits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf12 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 All very well.....but who will want to work here for the money they will be offering against what they are probably earning in a secure job already ? Probably Bht 30 000 per month and pay for your own visa and work permit, they will be overrun with applicants. If it is much less than 75,000 baht a month with visa, work permit, flights and accommodation they will probably get somebody to do the job but the won't get anybody worthwhile. Have you any idea of the training and experience required let alone of licence qualifications and they don't come cheap and HAVE to be kept current. 75,000 baht is only just over USD$2,000 a month and most top class people which is what they need would start around $5,000 a month all found. Good high quality people don't come cheap. When I was contracting in the mobile phone business a few years ago I was on USD$ 50 per hour all found and may average working day was 10 hours, 6 or 7 days a week. I never accept less than $600 a day which I consider to be cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Another fast track , one hopes that notice is taken and advice taken then what , a slow trip back to the bottom or are these experts going to stay around just in case and did I miss it , where are these experts coming from....................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 the average rate for Telecoms Site Mangers in Munich is between 450 and 550 Euros per day, which is about 17000 to 21000 baht per day, I do not think the Thais would be willing to pay that much for Airplane specialists You're right, it's going to cost a whole lot more than that. They will have to pay it. They said 'foreign' and not 'europeans'. Possibly the easy way out is to see who wants a holiday in Thailand and give the experts a payed holiday, then add that to the TAT tourist total , kill 2 birds with one stone...................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Traveller Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) This is Thai ingenuity at it's finest. So when the next plane crashes they can blame the foreigners ! Edited December 5, 2015 by Time Traveller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Reminds me of when they didn't need IT foreign experts any longer,about 15 years ago. The results of maintenance, upgrades, improvements to the existing systems now in use seem obvious. Old technology thinking, lack of knowledgeable mentors, lack of training, low pay (incentive). Case in point the state of the internet here in "The Kingdom" Failure of critical infrastructure on a regular basis. I work with "Thai Professionals" very often, over the years my opinion is once they get a degree the learning stops. Because they can now Official Sigh plans, documents, no need to improve themselves in their profession. The list is to long, progress is slow but things are improving little by little. Happy Birthday to "His Majesty the King of Thailand" I think it is referred to as the Asian Allowance , you also have another catastrophe you'd know well , the dumbing down effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpinx Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 They only need to come in here TV is known to be the "Hub of Experts" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MobileContent Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Foreigners alone will not resolve the issue even if they pump 2 billion Baht into the problem but the expats have to make sure that they will stay on for another 2 years to make sure the checks and balances stay in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphantom Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Oh my! I just can't bear to think that Thailand would consider hiring any foreigner to assist with any problem. After all, Thai's don't won't foreigners to bring skills to the land of smiles. The elites might not get their customary rake off. And worse, the foreigners might want to get "paid" a tad bit more than locals! and that would be humiliating and unfair…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 All very well.....but who will want to work here for the money they will be offering against what they are probably earning in a secure job already ? There are contractors in most sections of work be it aviation, mobile phone systems (I was a contractor in that game for 12 years) and almost any jobs you can think off. What happens is that the end customer puts out a request for manpower for a specific task and a specific period They detail what they want, for how long and at what rates. Interested agencies will get in touch with contractors through their database to find who is qualified, who is available and who is interested. The CVs of those who are looking for the job will be culled and sent to the customer who then prepares a short list of who they think are suitable. They go back to agencies to arrange interviews and the candidates are chosen, After that the contracts are signed and the jobs are started. Contractors generally know how long, how much and where before they sign. They don't have to take the job if they don't want to. I turned down a job in Iraq a few years ago because I couldn't agree with the agency on the rate even though it was in USD, tax free and everything paid for. So who is going to translate to the Thais for them and to them for the Thais. I am damn sure that the reason a problem exists at all is twofold. One, the Thais cannot understand what is being said to them and, two, they don't want to understand what is being said to them. Do not forget what they really think of us on an individual basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark131v Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Why should a Farang get pay more than a Thai He can learn a lot in Thailand Yes no doubt he can learn many, many things but the problem is there is not too much market for corruption nepotism and sheer incompetence outside of Thailand.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taony Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I want one of those jobs. I don't have any training or experience, but what training do you need to talk until your blue in the face while being ignored by the locals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdecas Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Why wasn't this hiring of people to do a proper job set in motion when the problem first reared its head months ago? Because the Thais thought they could fudge it. Next up - the Thai fishing industry; with allegations of forced labour, slavery, trafficking and illegal and over-fishing, that should provide another ready example of why aspirations so often fall short of reality here. It is a pity that, more often than not, the common people pay the price while the unmentionable organisations clean up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisY1 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Where to source 80 airline inspectors.....probably India would have many....hopefully they'll be looking at westerners tho'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rheinwiese Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 The Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) and other related agencies were ordered to outsource the work to experts since there are around 400 aircraft that need to be inspected. 400 aircraft. Retrace the whole maintenance intervals? Spare parts relative evidence? Those specialists do not grow on trees. That costs real money. If the documentation isn't right it is impossible.....If they have no records of the maintenance (or faulty one). Or if you doubt the records....Common in other jobs to just sign all the necessary things but only do what you think is important. Original vs. copied spare parts is surely also a problem in Thailand. I can't even imagine how much that might cost if the service record is not OK and you must consider it as not done.....for many years. http://www.eturbonews.com/58480/reason-behind-thailand-s-air-safety-problem http://www.eturbonews.com/58371/thai-airways-safety-log-may-destroy-airline-and-tourism-industry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisY1 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 "The Cabinet earlier approved the plan to quickly hire foreign inspectors due to a domestic shortage of aviation safety specialists. The DCA said Thailand needed around 86 foreign inspectors to cover the inspection work." This action was needed several months ago, why did the DCA wait until now, to start doing it ? Because the FAA finally took the long-threatened action, which forced the DCA/Cabinet's hand, surely not ? The downgrade might have been avoided, had there not been this ridiculous reluctance, to admit that there aren't enough Thais with the necessary qualifications and experience, so help from elsewhere is needed ! "This action was needed several months ago..................." My guess is that the military convinced themselves that their RTAF people could do the job standing on their heads, after all, they are invincable!.......and therefore no need to hire expensive foreigners.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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