Hiring of foreign aviation experts to be speeded up

[OMGImInPattaya]

It's a good thing that we're spoiled for choice of carriers for international flights here in Thailand and so there is no need to rely on any Thai based carrier to get us to where we need to go.

It is such a pity what cronism, nepotism, and partisan politics has done to the once proud Thai aviation sector.

[kannot]

I hope it is not like an english teacher's recruitment by local schools where white skin is the prime qualification and having a degree or not is secondary.

Looks trump everything here and also it seems on the hair dye thread

[geronimo]

How does one unravel Thainess, face, and corruption?

Just live here until it becomes unimportant.

[h90]

I teach aviation English. Don't expect any help from me.

"chicken or beef?" "orange juice or apple juice?"

[Ace of Pop]

the average rate for Telecoms Site Mangers in Munich is between 450 and 550 Euros per day, which is about 17000 to 21000 baht per day, I do not think the Thais would be willing to pay that much for Airplane specialists.

most of the contractors I work with are on a months notice, Thai would have to cover airplane tickets, accommodation, visas and work permits fees, also look at tax incentives to even get people interested.

400 contractors x 19000 baht per day for 6 months is around 1,400,000,000 baht not including expenses. Plus the agency will actually want around 100 euros per day per person so another 3800 baht per day per contractor is another 278,000,000 Baht in 6 months just for the agency, so a very expensive undertaking.

. Correct,that amount needed for Freebies for the Bosses free family flights. Only way back to profit is give it to Virgin or Ryanair.

[h90]

The Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) and other related agencies were ordered to outsource the work to experts since there are around 400 aircraft that need to be inspected.

400 aircraft.

Retrace the whole maintenance intervals?

Spare parts relative evidence?

Those specialists do not grow on trees.

That costs real money.

If the documentation isn't right it is impossible.....If they have no records of the maintenance (or faulty one). Or if you doubt the records....Common in other jobs to just sign all the necessary things but only do what you think is important.

Original vs. copied spare parts is surely also a problem in Thailand.

I can't even imagine how much that might cost if the service record is not OK and you must consider it as not done.....for many years.

[trogers]

the average rate for Telecoms Site Mangers in Munich is between 450 and 550 Euros per day, which is about 17000 to 21000 baht per day, I do not think the Thais would be willing to pay that much for Airplane specialists

You're right, it's going to cost a whole lot more than that.

They will have to pay it.

They said 'foreign' and not 'europeans'.

[terryp]

this will be killing the amata ...what will these forigners be granted... 89 day visas

[MZurf]

Why should a Farang get pay more than a Thai He can learn a lot in Thailand

What, like English?

[trogers]

I can see it now...hordes of foreign experts drawing a pay much more than two Thai department managers...

And you know why problems have come to roost today...

Thai administration in the international arena!

[Ichabod]

Shows how vastly incompetent the soldiers are at running the country. The ICAO publicly announced the possible ban on March 20, 2015. To date the junta has done exactly nothing about it. So, now they have to scramble to hire foreigners en masse and quickly and then revamp their procedures or else their one good earner, the tourism industry, will suffer.

In the meantime guys with the guns are busy lining their pockets from public projects and salivating over submarines.

[Ricardo]

"The Cabinet earlier approved the plan to quickly hire foreign inspectors due to a domestic shortage of aviation safety specialists.

The DCA said Thailand needed around 86 foreign inspectors to cover the inspection work."

This action was needed several months ago, why did the DCA wait until now, to start doing it ?

Because the FAA finally took the long-threatened action, which forced the DCA/Cabinet's hand, surely not ?

The downgrade might have been avoided, had there not been this ridiculous reluctance, to admit that there aren't enough Thais with the necessary qualifications and experience, so help from elsewhere is needed !

Edited December 5, 2015 by Ricardo

[mikebell]

When the foreigners have fixed the planes they can start on: Education; Road Safety; Policing; Water Management; Solar Energy and Television.

[soalbundy]

I pity the guys that take on this gig.

They'll be met with lots of smiles, grins, nods and agreement & the locals will keep on doing things the EXACT SAME WAY.

I have been there, done that, so I know.

sorry mister, no can do.

[chainarong]

Are they saying that the RTAF personell could'nt cut it?......so finally pesky foreigners will be needed.....

Eaze up a bit on the airforce they.....don't fly 767's or A330's!

And don't have to comply with standards or audits.

[gandalf12]

All very well.....but who will want to work here for the money they will be offering against what they are probably earning in a secure job already ?

Probably Bht 30 000 per month and pay for your own visa and work permit, they will be overrun with applicants.

If it is much less than 75,000 baht a month with visa, work permit, flights and accommodation they will probably get somebody to do the job but the won't get anybody worthwhile. Have you any idea of the training and experience required let alone of licence qualifications and they don't come cheap and HAVE to be kept current.

75,000 baht is only just over USD$2,000 a month and most top class people which is what they need would start around $5,000 a month all found.

Good high quality people don't come cheap.

When I was contracting in the mobile phone business a few years ago I was on USD$ 50 per hour all found and may average working day was 10 hours, 6 or 7 days a week.

I never accept less than $600 a day which I consider to be cheap

[chainarong]

Another fast track , one hopes that notice is taken and advice taken then what , a slow trip back to the bottom or are these experts going to stay around just in case and did I miss it , where are these experts coming from.......................................

[chainarong]

the average rate for Telecoms Site Mangers in Munich is between 450 and 550 Euros per day, which is about 17000 to 21000 baht per day, I do not think the Thais would be willing to pay that much for Airplane specialists

You're right, it's going to cost a whole lot more than that.

They will have to pay it.

They said 'foreign' and not 'europeans'.

Possibly the easy way out is to see who wants a holiday in Thailand and give the experts a payed holiday, then add that to the TAT tourist total , kill 2 birds with one stone......................

[Time Traveller]

This is Thai ingenuity at it's finest. So when the next plane crashes they can blame the foreigners !

Edited December 5, 2015 by Time Traveller

[chainarong]

Reminds me of when they didn't need IT foreign experts any longer,about 15 years ago.

The results of maintenance, upgrades, improvements to the existing systems now in use seem obvious.

Old technology thinking, lack of knowledgeable mentors, lack of training, low pay (incentive).

Case in point the state of the internet here in "The Kingdom"

Failure of critical infrastructure on a regular basis.

I work with "Thai Professionals" very often, over the years my opinion is once they get a degree the learning stops.

Because they can now Official Sigh plans, documents, no need to improve themselves in their profession.

The list is to long, progress is slow but things are improving little by little.

Happy Birthday to "His Majesty the King of Thailand"

I think it is referred to as the Asian Allowance , you also have another catastrophe you'd know well , the dumbing down effect

[jpinx]

They only need to come in here TV is known to be the "Hub of Experts"

[MobileContent]

Foreigners alone will not resolve the issue even if they pump 2 billion Baht into the problem but the expats have to make sure that they will stay on for another 2 years to make sure the checks and balances stay in place.

[jphantom]

Oh my! I just can't bear to think that Thailand would consider hiring any foreigner to assist with any problem. After all, Thai's don't won't foreigners to bring skills to the land of smiles. The elites might not get their customary rake off. And worse, the foreigners might want to get "paid" a tad bit more than locals! and that would be humiliating and unfair….

[mark131v]

Why should a Farang get pay more than a Thai He can learn a lot in Thailand

Yes no doubt he can learn many, many things but the problem is there is not too much market for corruption nepotism and sheer incompetence outside of Thailand....

[taony]

I want one of those jobs. I don't have any training or experience, but what training do you need to talk until your blue in the face while being ignored by the locals?

[asdecas]

Why wasn't this hiring of people to do a proper job set in motion when the problem first reared its head months ago? Because the Thais thought they could fudge it.

Next up - the Thai fishing industry; with allegations of forced labour, slavery, trafficking and illegal and over-fishing, that should provide another ready example of why aspirations so often fall short of reality here.

It is a pity that, more often than not, the common people pay the price while the unmentionable organisations clean up.

[ChrisY1]

Where to source 80 airline inspectors.....probably India would have many....hopefully they'll be looking at westerners tho'.

[rheinwiese]

The Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) and other related agencies were ordered to outsource the work to experts since there are around 400 aircraft that need to be inspected.

400 aircraft.

Retrace the whole maintenance intervals?

Spare parts relative evidence?

Those specialists do not grow on trees.

That costs real money.

If the documentation isn't right it is impossible.....If they have no records of the maintenance (or faulty one). Or if you doubt the records....Common in other jobs to just sign all the necessary things but only do what you think is important.

Original vs. copied spare parts is surely also a problem in Thailand.

I can't even imagine how much that might cost if the service record is not OK and you must consider it as not done.....for many years.

http://www.eturbonews.com/58480/reason-behind-thailand-s-air-safety-problem

http://www.eturbonews.com/58371/thai-airways-safety-log-may-destroy-airline-and-tourism-industry

[ChrisY1]

"The Cabinet earlier approved the plan to quickly hire foreign inspectors due to a domestic shortage of aviation safety specialists.

The DCA said Thailand needed around 86 foreign inspectors to cover the inspection work."

This action was needed several months ago, why did the DCA wait until now, to start doing it ?

Because the FAA finally took the long-threatened action, which forced the DCA/Cabinet's hand, surely not ?

The downgrade might have been avoided, had there not been this ridiculous reluctance, to admit that there aren't enough Thais with the necessary qualifications and experience, so help from elsewhere is needed !

"This action was needed several months ago..................."

My guess is that the military convinced themselves that their RTAF people could do the job standing on their heads, after all, they are invincable!.......and therefore no need to hire expensive foreigners....

[arrowsdawdle]

Are they saying that the RTAF personell could'nt cut it?......so finally pesky foreigners will be needed.....

They've always been needed, just ignored.