Trump’s comments condemned by Muslims around the world

[Scott]

A post which is a personal attack on another member has been removed. Please keep the discussion civil. Feel free to comment on the topic, but refrain from commenting on other members.

[OMGImInPattaya]

Don't really give a whit what muslims think of America's border control policies...just saying. They can pound sand, which most of them have allot of.

[simple1]

simple1, on 11 Dec 2015 - 08:27, said:

arjunadawn, on 10 Dec 2015 - 18:18, said:

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And yet as of last night leading news was that while scottland yard was towing the line and rejecting Trump's claims police themselves were actually confirming Trump's claims; some were quite clear that they fear for their lives in certain areas. Its no longer amusing, it is just sickening the disconnect between the known world and the declared world in the socialist West.

<snip>

There is a difference with operational police commenting on risk in an operational environment to Trump's commentary claiming no-go zones due to police personnel being in fear of doing their duties, in effect insinuating cowardly behaviour.

Not sure what parallel Universe you live in.

1. There were Police no go areas where I grew up.

2. Uniformed Police could not operate in large parts of N. Ireland without a 12 -16 strong Military escort. N. Ireland is part of the UK

3. There is a link on this thread regarding Police having to ask permission from Community Leaders to enter certain areas. I claim no intimate knowledge to the accuracy of that link. In the idiotic liberal left of the UK I am no doubt that it will have some truth to it. In this case, it then becomes an absolute abomination.

The Police hierarchy are never going to admit that it is unfit for purpose. I know enough, still serving , Police Officers to know what the truth is. The UK Police are so hamstrung by the liberal retards that it is almost impossible for them to actually do the job that they are paid to do.

Tell me what areas of the UK populated by Muslims are so dangerous that police refuse to enter and enforce the law, thereby defined as no go areas.

Edited December 11, 2015 by simple1

[Ace of Pop]

[thaibeachlovers]

This guy must be using a proper business marketing team for his Presidential campaign. Love him or hate him! Do you know how much it would cost to get on the front page of every major newspaper (World-wide!!) every day if you paid for it - tens of millions, yet this guy pulls it off 3-4 times a week every week for free. He is boorish, hateful and I really despise him but boy you gotta give him an A++ for his marketing skills. Genius!

Yes, the GOP is falling into disarray in a bid to react to his comments, but he will win the nomination not necessary by enamouring the voters but by exposing the weaknesses to the voters of his competitors. He is exploiting current world events perfectly and giving the population of the US what many want to hear. He only has to swing around 1% of right wing disenfranchised Dems to win the Presidency!! The USA are about to get exactly what they deserve unfortunately the rest of the world will feel the impact.

Whatever you think of Trump, he can't do worse as Prez than any of the previous, and the present incompetent. Who can be held up as competent, or even adequate?

Reagan- He had a problem staying awake in meetings and with Contras

Carter

Bush senior- "read my lips"

Clinton - likes his cigars soggy and "I did not.................."

Bush junior- warmonger

Obama- can't think of a single thing he's done right.

In fact, have to go back to Kennedy to remember a decent Prez, even though he had a problem keeping his pants on.

[Linky]

Don't really give a whit what muslims think of America's border control policies...just saying. They can pound sand, which most of them have allot of.

Perhaps the US should have thought of that before it caused this mess. If you break it you own it.

[up2u2]

Let me get this straight... Attack after attack, nobody can hear a peep from the "moderate muslims" condemning terror attacks.

But when a western presidential candidate says some words, all of a sudden, we can hear the "moderates" laud and clear

They do all the time:

Islamic Statements Against Terrorism

Mustafa Mashhur, General Guide, Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt; Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Pakistan; Muti Rahman Nizami, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, Bangladesh; Shaykh Ahmad Yassin, Founder, Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), Palestine; Rashid Ghannoushi, President, Nahda Renaissance Movement, Tunisia; Fazil Nour, President, PAS – Parti Islam SeMalaysia, Malaysia; and 40 other Muslim scholars and politicians:

http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/

Indian Muslim Leaders Condemn ISIS, : 1.5M Muslims Sign Fatwa Against Islamic State, Al Qaeda And Taliban

Thousands of Indian Muslim scholars have issued a fatwa condemning ISIS-style extremism.

http://www.ibtimes.com/indian-muslim-leaders-condemn-isis-trump-15m-muslims-sign-fatwa-against-islamic-state-2217715

Islamic Institutions that have condemned ISIS:

• The Organization Of Islamic Cooperation: The Islamic State Has “Nothing To Do With Islam,” Has Committed Crimes “That Cannot Be Tolerated.”

• Al-Azhar: Islamic State Is Corrupt And “A Danger To Islam.”

• Arab League: “Strongly Denounced” The “Crimes Against Humanity” Carried Out By The Islamic State.

• Turkey’s Top Cleric: Islamic State’s Threats Are “Hugely Damaging,” “Truly Awful.”

• Council on American-Islamic Relations CAIR Repeatedly Condemned The Islamic State As “Un-Islamic And Morally Repugnant.”

• The Muslim Council Of Great Britain: “Violence Has No Place In Religion.”

• The Islamic Society of North America: The Islamic State’s Actions “Are To Be Denounced And Are In No Way Representative Of What Islam Actually Teaches.

• 100 Sunni And Shiite U.K. Imams: The Islamic State Is An “Illegitimate, Vicious Group.”

• Saudi Arabia’s Highest Religious Authority: Terrorists Like The Islamic State Is The “Number One Enemy Of Islam.”

• Muslim Public Affairs Council: Condemned The Islamic State And Called For “Stand Against Extremism.”

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/commonwordcommonlord/2014/08/think-muslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.html

You probably have to turn off Trump and Fox to find it though.

[thaibeachlovers]

Where did I even hint at denying anyone their right to express an opinion on any forum? Only an irrational hothead would make such a determination. Unlike the people ruling the UK and many parts of Europe, I am a believer in free speech, including TVF. But the FACT remains that only I and other American citizens will have a vote to determine Trump's nomination and election. It doesn't matter how much outsiders rave, they cannot vote. Many, if not most, of the people venting against Trump simply will not have a say in the matter. And, in fact, the more outsiders complain, the stronger Trump will get within the American electorate.

You obfuscate and back pedal. What was the purpose in you posting an observation that non Americans cannot vote in the American election? A fact that would be known to practicably everyone. You desired to put people in their place. This is not a free speech argument. Someone pulls you up on your arrogance, so you pull back on your spiel.

Anyone here can post their thoughts irrespective if they have voting rights or not. Being a registered voter in the US election is not among the criteria and rules for posting on TVF. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. Your affectation of the obvious is a base move totally to be expected of the Trump demographic.

You miss the point. You are welcome to rant all you want. You just don't get to vote and your opinion has no affect on American voters so you are blowing in the wind.

I don't think that too many Americans read the European press or TVF, either.

Trump has risen in the polls since he made this statement about stopping Muslims from immigrating. Risen. He keeps rising.

The two things that are always the most important to American voters are national security and the economy. When they decide who to vote for, it will boil down to that.

Trump is perceived in polls as being the one best able to handle both - national security and the economy. No other candidate comes close. This cycle immigration is seen as a national security issue. This is both illegal immigration by Hispanics and any immigration by Muslims. Trump is pushing those buttons. He does this while wearing his "Make America Great Again" cap and dissing China and free trade with them, saying they are ripping the US off.

If you want to know why Trump will probably be the next POTUS, compare how he handles those issues in his campaign to others who are in the race.

It's no contest.

Cheers.

No. I miss your point, not the point. I am confronting a bully and braggart who is relying on a coward's defence.

For someone who want to be paid for providing tuition on the US Constitution, you surprisingly take no account of the small detail that the Republican nominating process is not actually the general election. When the clown car emerges from the bubble, whoever is elected as Chief Clown will face the rest of the country, also called the majority of voters. These are the people whose intelligence is insulted that this very caricature of a buffon presumes to think that he can be their leader. I absolutely agree with you about the entire line up of the goon show that is what passes for the Republican candidates.

When the time comes, the majority of Americans will vote for someone who is Presidential. No amount of make up and hair spray can cover this fundamental deficiency in the idea of Trump. He does not pass the laugh test. It will certainly not be any contest when it comes to the real race.

the majority of Americans will vote for someone who is Presidential

Who would that be then? HRC? she allowed an ambassador to be slaughtered on her watch.

Bernie Sanders

Can't even remember the others.

Past presidents-

Bush Jr

Carter

Obama

[SgtRock]

simple1, on 11 Dec 2015 - 10:54, said:

SgtRock, on 11 Dec 2015 - 08:55, said:

Not sure what parallel Universe you live in.

1. There were Police no go areas where I grew up.

2. Uniformed Police could not operate in large parts of N. Ireland without a 12 -16 strong Military escort. N. Ireland is part of the UK

3. There is a link on this thread regarding Police having to ask permission from Community Leaders to enter certain areas. I claim no intimate knowledge to the accuracy of that link. In the idiotic liberal left of the UK I am no doubt that it will have some truth to it. In this case, it then becomes an absolute abomination.

The Police hierarchy are never going to admit that it is unfit for purpose. I know enough, still serving , Police Officers to know what the truth is. The UK Police are so hamstrung by the liberal retards that it is almost impossible for them to actually do the job that they are paid to do.

Tell me what areas of the UK populated by Muslims are so dangerous that police refuse to enter, thereby defined as no go areas, as claimed by Trump.

Can you be so good as to point out to me where I mentioned Muslims.

I did make a reference to so called Community Leaders in point 3.

I do not need to tell YOU anything. If you wish to discuss, disprove or otherwise engage in conversation anything that I have said above, be my guest and go right ahead. It will always help your case if you could use fairly up to date personal experience.

I will take the views of current serving Police Officers, the evidence of my own peepers before I listen to the PC Claptrap of some un-named clown who has never patrolled the streets and is nothing but a servant to his or her Political Master.

Otherwise, go back to your parallel Universe where everything is rosy in the garden.

[Jai Dee]

Another flame post has been removed from this thread.

[up2u2]

the majority of Americans will vote for someone who is Presidential

Who would that be then? HRC? she allowed an ambassador to be slaughtered on her watch.

Bernie Sanders

Can't even remember the others.

Past presidents-

Bush Jr

Carter

Obama

Bernie Sanders definitely Presidential. His opinion of Trump's islamaphobic comments on the Jimmy Fallon Show just nails it and exposes Trump and Republicans for what they are:

"and what someone like Trump is trying to do is to divide us up.... a few months ago we were supposed to hate Mexicans. he thinks they are all criminals or rapists and now we're supposed to hate muslims and that kind of crap is not going to work in the United States..."

While right wingers jostle around in their hate and warmongering bubble Bernie gets on with articulating what the REAL issues are in America. Good sense of humour too always up for a laugh is old Bernie.

[Harsh Jones]

Let me get this straight... Attack after attack, nobody can hear a peep from the "moderate muslims" condemning terror attacks.

But when a western presidential candidate says some words, all of a sudden, we can hear the "moderates" laud and clear

They do all the time:

Islamic Statements Against Terrorism

Mustafa Mashhur, General Guide, Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt; Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Pakistan; Muti Rahman Nizami, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, Bangladesh; Shaykh Ahmad Yassin, Founder, Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), Palestine; Rashid Ghannoushi, President, Nahda Renaissance Movement, Tunisia; Fazil Nour, President, PAS – Parti Islam SeMalaysia, Malaysia; and 40 other Muslim scholars and politicians:

http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/

Indian Muslim Leaders Condemn ISIS, : 1.5M Muslims Sign Fatwa Against Islamic State, Al Qaeda And Taliban

Thousands of Indian Muslim scholars have issued a fatwa condemning ISIS-style extremism.

http://www.ibtimes.com/indian-muslim-leaders-condemn-isis-trump-15m-muslims-sign-fatwa-against-islamic-state-2217715

Islamic Institutions that have condemned ISIS:

• The Organization Of Islamic Cooperation: The Islamic State Has “Nothing To Do With Islam,” Has Committed Crimes “That Cannot Be Tolerated.”

• Al-Azhar: Islamic State Is Corrupt And “A Danger To Islam.”

• Arab League: “Strongly Denounced” The “Crimes Against Humanity” Carried Out By The Islamic State.

• Turkey’s Top Cleric: Islamic State’s Threats Are “Hugely Damaging,” “Truly Awful.”

• Council on American-Islamic Relations CAIR Repeatedly Condemned The Islamic State As “Un-Islamic And Morally Repugnant.”

• The Muslim Council Of Great Britain: “Violence Has No Place In Religion.”

• The Islamic Society of North America: The Islamic State’s Actions “Are To Be Denounced And Are In No Way Representative Of What Islam Actually Teaches.

• 100 Sunni And Shiite U.K. Imams: The Islamic State Is An “Illegitimate, Vicious Group.”

• Saudi Arabia’s Highest Religious Authority: Terrorists Like The Islamic State Is The “Number One Enemy Of Islam.”

• Muslim Public Affairs Council: Condemned The Islamic State And Called For “Stand Against Extremism.”

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/commonwordcommonlord/2014/08/think-muslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.html

You probably have to turn off Trump and Fox to find it though.

The one quote from the Saudi religious authority is quite ironic.

But a big part of the reason non muslims defend muslims in the first place is not based on inclusion. It is based on the hate of Jedau Christianity. For the atheist left wing political persuasion, Jedau Christianity is their number one enemy. And they see this as just another issue to disagree with conservative leaning people on.

This is also why these people use such vicious language against Russians and Putin. Because Russia is a white Jedau Christian society. No respect for the Russian race, society or culture.

[Harsh Jones]

Where did I even hint at denying anyone their right to express an opinion on any forum? Only an irrational hothead would make such a determination. Unlike the people ruling the UK and many parts of Europe, I am a believer in free speech, including TVF. But the FACT remains that only I and other American citizens will have a vote to determine Trump's nomination and election. It doesn't matter how much outsiders rave, they cannot vote. Many, if not most, of the people venting against Trump simply will not have a say in the matter. And, in fact, the more outsiders complain, the stronger Trump will get within the American electorate.

You obfuscate and back pedal. What was the purpose in you posting an observation that non Americans cannot vote in the American election? A fact that would be known to practicably everyone. You desired to put people in their place. This is not a free speech argument. Someone pulls you up on your arrogance, so you pull back on your spiel.

Anyone here can post their thoughts irrespective if they have voting rights or not. Being a registered voter in the US election is not among the criteria and rules for posting on TVF. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. Your affectation of the obvious is a base move totally to be expected of the Trump demographic.

You miss the point. You are welcome to rant all you want. You just don't get to vote and your opinion has no affect on American voters so you are blowing in the wind.

I don't think that too many Americans read the European press or TVF, either.

Trump has risen in the polls since he made this statement about stopping Muslims from immigrating. Risen. He keeps rising.

The two things that are always the most important to American voters are national security and the economy. When they decide who to vote for, it will boil down to that.

Trump is perceived in polls as being the one best able to handle both - national security and the economy. No other candidate comes close. This cycle immigration is seen as a national security issue. This is both illegal immigration by Hispanics and any immigration by Muslims. Trump is pushing those buttons. He does this while wearing his "Make America Great Again" cap and dissing China and free trade with them, saying they are ripping the US off.

If you want to know why Trump will probably be the next POTUS, compare how he handles those issues in his campaign to others who are in the race.

It's no contest.

Cheers.

No. I miss your point, not the point. I am confronting a bully and braggart who is relying on a coward's defence.

For someone who want to be paid for providing tuition on the US Constitution, you surprisingly take no account of the small detail that the Republican nominating process is not actually the general election. When the clown car emerges from the bubble, whoever is elected as Chief Clown will face the rest of the country, also called the majority of voters. These are the people whose intelligence is insulted that this very caricature of a buffon presumes to think that he can be their leader. I absolutely agree with you about the entire line up of the goon show that is what passes for the Republican candidates.

When the time comes, the majority of Americans will vote for someone who is Presidential. No amount of make up and hair spray can cover this fundamental deficiency in the idea of Trump. He does not pass the laugh test. It will certainly not be any contest when it comes to the real race.

People said that about Bush jr.

[lostboy]

Let me get this straight... Attack after attack, nobody can hear a peep from the "moderate muslims" condemning terror attacks.

But when a western presidential candidate says some words, all of a sudden, we can hear the "moderates" laud and clear

They do all the time:

Islamic Statements Against Terrorism

Mustafa Mashhur, General Guide, Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt; Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Pakistan; Muti Rahman Nizami, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, Bangladesh; Shaykh Ahmad Yassin, Founder, Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), Palestine; Rashid Ghannoushi, President, Nahda Renaissance Movement, Tunisia; Fazil Nour, President, PAS – Parti Islam SeMalaysia, Malaysia; and 40 other Muslim scholars and politicians:

http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/

Indian Muslim Leaders Condemn ISIS, : 1.5M Muslims Sign Fatwa Against Islamic State, Al Qaeda And Taliban

Thousands of Indian Muslim scholars have issued a fatwa condemning ISIS-style extremism.

http://www.ibtimes.com/indian-muslim-leaders-condemn-isis-trump-15m-muslims-sign-fatwa-against-islamic-state-2217715

Islamic Institutions that have condemned ISIS:

• The Organization Of Islamic Cooperation: The Islamic State Has “Nothing To Do With Islam,” Has Committed Crimes “That Cannot Be Tolerated.”

• Al-Azhar: Islamic State Is Corrupt And “A Danger To Islam.”

• Arab League: “Strongly Denounced” The “Crimes Against Humanity” Carried Out By The Islamic State.

• Turkey’s Top Cleric: Islamic State’s Threats Are “Hugely Damaging,” “Truly Awful.”

• Council on American-Islamic Relations CAIR Repeatedly Condemned The Islamic State As “Un-Islamic And Morally Repugnant.”

• The Muslim Council Of Great Britain: “Violence Has No Place In Religion.”

• The Islamic Society of North America: The Islamic State’s Actions “Are To Be Denounced And Are In No Way Representative Of What Islam Actually Teaches.

• 100 Sunni And Shiite U.K. Imams: The Islamic State Is An “Illegitimate, Vicious Group.”

• Saudi Arabia’s Highest Religious Authority: Terrorists Like The Islamic State Is The “Number One Enemy Of Islam.”

• Muslim Public Affairs Council: Condemned The Islamic State And Called For “Stand Against Extremism.”

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/commonwordcommonlord/2014/08/think-muslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.html

You probably have to turn off Trump and Fox to find it though.

The one quote from the Saudi religious authority is quite ironic.

But a big part of the reason non muslims defend muslims in the first place is not based on inclusion. It is based on the hate of Jedau Christianity. For the atheist left wing political persuasion, Jedau Christianity is their number one enemy. And they see this as just another issue to disagree with conservative leaning people on.

This is also why these people use such vicious language against Russians and Putin. Because Russia is a white Jedau Christian society. No respect for the Russian race, society or culture.

I am an atheist. I am also socially liberal. I have never in my life heard of Jedau Christianity. So I googled it. After dismissing the Star Wars references and the Jedai Knights, I see that you are referring to Judeo-Christianity. Problem is that Judeo-Christianity is not a thing so it cannot be my enemy. Judea-Christianity is a set of principles, not a religion. If you had said Evangelical Christianity or Mormonism or Seventh Day Adventism, then I can answer you that yes, these particular hypotheses are a threat to humanist civilisation. But I can't say that to your thesis since in fact the principles of Judeo-Christianity underpin all modern western liberal democracies.

Your foray off into Russia is bizarre. I have studied a little of the history of Orthodox Christianity in Russia. I have also been able to visit St Basil's in Red Square. Your simplification of western liberals' position on Russia is a little too reductionist to make much sense.

[up2u2]

Let me get this straight... Attack after attack, nobody can hear a peep from the "moderate muslims" condemning terror attacks.

But when a western presidential candidate says some words, all of a sudden, we can hear the "moderates" laud and clear

They do all the time:

Islamic Statements Against Terrorism

Mustafa Mashhur, General Guide, Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt; Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Pakistan; Muti Rahman Nizami, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, Bangladesh; Shaykh Ahmad Yassin, Founder, Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), Palestine; Rashid Ghannoushi, President, Nahda Renaissance Movement, Tunisia; Fazil Nour, President, PAS – Parti Islam SeMalaysia, Malaysia; and 40 other Muslim scholars and politicians:

http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/

Indian Muslim Leaders Condemn ISIS, : 1.5M Muslims Sign Fatwa Against Islamic State, Al Qaeda And Taliban

Thousands of Indian Muslim scholars have issued a fatwa condemning ISIS-style extremism.

http://www.ibtimes.com/indian-muslim-leaders-condemn-isis-trump-15m-muslims-sign-fatwa-against-islamic-state-2217715

Islamic Institutions that have condemned ISIS:

• The Organization Of Islamic Cooperation: The Islamic State Has “Nothing To Do With Islam,” Has Committed Crimes “That Cannot Be Tolerated.”

• Al-Azhar: Islamic State Is Corrupt And “A Danger To Islam.”

• Arab League: “Strongly Denounced” The “Crimes Against Humanity” Carried Out By The Islamic State.

• Turkey’s Top Cleric: Islamic State’s Threats Are “Hugely Damaging,” “Truly Awful.”

• Council on American-Islamic Relations CAIR Repeatedly Condemned The Islamic State As “Un-Islamic And Morally Repugnant.”

• The Muslim Council Of Great Britain: “Violence Has No Place In Religion.”

• The Islamic Society of North America: The Islamic State’s Actions “Are To Be Denounced And Are In No Way Representative Of What Islam Actually Teaches.

• 100 Sunni And Shiite U.K. Imams: The Islamic State Is An “Illegitimate, Vicious Group.”

• Saudi Arabia’s Highest Religious Authority: Terrorists Like The Islamic State Is The “Number One Enemy Of Islam.”

• Muslim Public Affairs Council: Condemned The Islamic State And Called For “Stand Against Extremism.”

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/commonwordcommonlord/2014/08/think-muslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.html

You probably have to turn off Trump and Fox to find it though.

The one quote from the Saudi religious authority is quite ironic.

But a big part of the reason non muslims defend muslims in the first place is not based on inclusion. It is based on the hate of Jedau Christianity. For the atheist left wing political persuasion, Jedau Christianity is their number one enemy. And they see this as just another issue to disagree with conservative leaning people on.

This is also why these people use such vicious language against Russians and Putin. Because Russia is a white Jedau Christian society. No respect for the Russian race, society or culture.

I am not defending anything just pointing out that your comment 'nobody can hear a peep from the 'moderate muslims' condemning terror attacks" is not even close to being accurate. Tens of millions of muslims speak out against ISIS. You just aren't listening. If you can get out of your conservative right wing bubble you would be aware of the avalanche of condemnation from the Islamic World against ISIS.

[Linky]

Let me get this straight... Attack after attack, nobody can hear a peep from the "moderate muslims" condemning terror attacks.

But when a western presidential candidate says some words, all of a sudden, we can hear the "moderates" laud and clear

They do all the time:

Islamic Statements Against Terrorism

Mustafa Mashhur, General Guide, Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt; Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Pakistan; Muti Rahman Nizami, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, Bangladesh; Shaykh Ahmad Yassin, Founder, Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), Palestine; Rashid Ghannoushi, President, Nahda Renaissance Movement, Tunisia; Fazil Nour, President, PAS Parti Islam SeMalaysia, Malaysia; and 40 other Muslim scholars and politicians:

http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/

Indian Muslim Leaders Condemn ISIS, : 1.5M Muslims Sign Fatwa Against Islamic State, Al Qaeda And Taliban

Thousands of Indian Muslim scholars have issued a fatwa condemning ISIS-style extremism.

http://www.ibtimes.com/indian-muslim-leaders-condemn-isis-trump-15m-muslims-sign-fatwa-against-islamic-state-2217715

Islamic Institutions that have condemned ISIS:

• The Organization Of Islamic Cooperation: The Islamic State Has Nothing To Do With Islam, Has Committed Crimes That Cannot Be Tolerated.

• Al-Azhar: Islamic State Is Corrupt And A Danger To Islam.

• Arab League: Strongly Denounced The Crimes Against Humanity Carried Out By The Islamic State.

• Turkeys Top Cleric: Islamic States Threats Are Hugely Damaging, Truly Awful.

• Council on American-Islamic Relations CAIR Repeatedly Condemned The Islamic State As Un-Islamic And Morally Repugnant.

• The Muslim Council Of Great Britain: Violence Has No Place In Religion.

• The Islamic Society of North America: The Islamic States Actions Are To Be Denounced And Are In No Way Representative Of What Islam Actually Teaches.

• 100 Sunni And Shiite U.K. Imams: The Islamic State Is An Illegitimate, Vicious Group.

• Saudi Arabias Highest Religious Authority: Terrorists Like The Islamic State Is The Number One Enemy Of Islam.

• Muslim Public Affairs Council: Condemned The Islamic State And Called For Stand Against Extremism.

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/commonwordcommonlord/2014/08/think-muslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.html</p></p></p></p></p>

You probably have to turn off Trump and Fox to find it though.

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The one quote from the Saudi religious authority is quite ironic.

But a big part of the reason non muslims defend muslims in the first place is not based on inclusion. It is based on the hate of Jedau Christianity. For the atheist left wing political persuasion, Jedau Christianity is their number one enemy. And they see this as just another issue to disagree with conservative leaning people on.

This is also why these people use such vicious language against Russians and Putin. Because Russia is a white Jedau Christian society. No respect for the Russian race, society or culture.

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I am not defending anything just pointing out that your comment 'nobody can hear a peep from the 'moderate muslims' condemning terror attacks" is not even close to being accurate. Tens of millions of muslims speak out against ISIS. You just aren't listening. If you can get out of your conservative right wing bubble you would be aware of the avalanche of condemnation from the Islamic World against ISIS.

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He has been told before and proven wrong on nearly everything he says. But he will still pop up in the next thread spouting the same things.

[Jai Dee]

More off-topic and inflammatory posts have been removed from this thread.

[Linzz]

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Sorry but this cartoon is insidious in it's dishonesty and propaganda. The terrible facts are the refugees are not welcome in other Muslim countries, for instance Saudi Arabia said to let them in might spoil their way of life. This is surely an indictment on Islam but shows the cultural and racial divide is more a determining factor than the religion. It does not speak well of Islam at all.

The cartoon insinuates that refugees are running to Europe in order to sabotage the West and at the same time claim benefits.If the author was not so ignorant he or she would know the desperation of such people risking their lives in order to save themselves from death by other Muslims or whatever else.. I expect there would be some among them who are economic refugees and maybe some with ill intent going in under cover, but not the whole majority that this cartoon implies.

Again the fact that other Muslim countries are slow to help out speaks volumes of Islam and I am not impressed. It's interesting that Muslims are welcomed largely by the Christian liberal West but not by fellow Muslim countries. That was the only factual point in the cartoon.

But I am not impressed that this cartoon makes fun of the sad plight of people under impossible circumstances and that Ace of Pop felt it a laugh to share it speaks volumes of the poster too.

[Linzz]

Let me get this straight... Attack after attack, nobody can hear a peep from the "moderate muslims" condemning terror attacks.

But when a western presidential candidate says some words, all of a sudden, we can hear the "moderates" laud and clear

They do all the time:

Islamic Statements Against Terrorism

Mustafa Mashhur, General Guide, Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt; Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Pakistan; Muti Rahman Nizami, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, Bangladesh; Shaykh Ahmad Yassin, Founder, Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), Palestine; Rashid Ghannoushi, President, Nahda Renaissance Movement, Tunisia; Fazil Nour, President, PAS – Parti Islam SeMalaysia, Malaysia; and 40 other Muslim scholars and politicians:

http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/

Indian Muslim Leaders Condemn ISIS, : 1.5M Muslims Sign Fatwa Against Islamic State, Al Qaeda And Taliban

Thousands of Indian Muslim scholars have issued a fatwa condemning ISIS-style extremism.

http://www.ibtimes.com/indian-muslim-leaders-condemn-isis-trump-15m-muslims-sign-fatwa-against-islamic-state-2217715

Islamic Institutions that have condemned ISIS:

• The Organization Of Islamic Cooperation: The Islamic State Has “Nothing To Do With Islam,” Has Committed Crimes “That Cannot Be Tolerated.”

• Al-Azhar: Islamic State Is Corrupt And “A Danger To Islam.”

• Arab League: “Strongly Denounced” The “Crimes Against Humanity” Carried Out By The Islamic State.

• Turkey’s Top Cleric: Islamic State’s Threats Are “Hugely Damaging,” “Truly Awful.”

• Council on American-Islamic Relations CAIR Repeatedly Condemned The Islamic State As “Un-Islamic And Morally Repugnant.”

• The Muslim Council Of Great Britain: “Violence Has No Place In Religion.”

• The Islamic Society of North America: The Islamic State’s Actions “Are To Be Denounced And Are In No Way Representative Of What Islam Actually Teaches.

• 100 Sunni And Shiite U.K. Imams: The Islamic State Is An “Illegitimate, Vicious Group.”

• Saudi Arabia’s Highest Religious Authority: Terrorists Like The Islamic State Is The “Number One Enemy Of Islam.”

• Muslim Public Affairs Council: Condemned The Islamic State And Called For “Stand Against Extremism.”

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/commonwordcommonlord/2014/08/think-muslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.html

You probably have to turn off Trump and Fox to find it though.

The one quote from the Saudi religious authority is quite ironic.

But a big part of the reason non muslims defend muslims in the first place is not based on inclusion. It is based on the hate of Jedau Christianity. For the atheist left wing political persuasion, Jedau Christianity is their number one enemy. And they see this as just another issue to disagree with conservative leaning people on.

This is also why these people use such vicious language against Russians and Putin. Because Russia is a white Jedau Christian society. No respect for the Russian race, society or culture.

I can't see this at all. Some Muslims hate Judaic/ Christianity because they are non believers of Islam. But the folk they hate the most is each other, the divide between Shia and Sunni. Both regard each other as apostate which is far worse a crime than being an unbeliever. Did you not know that up to 11 million deaths by Muslim upon Muslim has taken place since 1948?

[Chicog]

And it's interesting that Pakistan is one of America's "allies" *snigger*

[simple1]

And it's interesting that Pakistan is one of America's "allies" *snigger*

Recently reported two Pakistani tribes swore allegiance to Daesh, crossed over to Afghanistan, pushed out Afghan Taliban from the area & now fighting Afghan military as well as committing the usual atrocities.

[OMGImInPattaya]

Let me get this straight... Attack after attack, nobody can hear a peep from the "moderate muslims" condemning terror attacks.

But when a western presidential candidate says some words, all of a sudden, we can hear the "moderates" laud and clear

They do all the time:

Islamic Statements Against Terrorism

Mustafa Mashhur, General Guide, Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt; Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Pakistan; Muti Rahman Nizami, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, Bangladesh; Shaykh Ahmad Yassin, Founder, Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), Palestine; Rashid Ghannoushi, President, Nahda Renaissance Movement, Tunisia; Fazil Nour, President, PAS – Parti Islam SeMalaysia, Malaysia; and 40 other Muslim scholars and politicians:

http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/

Indian Muslim Leaders Condemn ISIS, : 1.5M Muslims Sign Fatwa Against Islamic State, Al Qaeda And Taliban

Thousands of Indian Muslim scholars have issued a fatwa condemning ISIS-style extremism.

http://www.ibtimes.com/indian-muslim-leaders-condemn-isis-trump-15m-muslims-sign-fatwa-against-islamic-state-2217715

Islamic Institutions that have condemned ISIS:

• The Organization Of Islamic Cooperation: The Islamic State Has “Nothing To Do With Islam,” Has Committed Crimes “That Cannot Be Tolerated.”

• Al-Azhar: Islamic State Is Corrupt And “A Danger To Islam.”

• Arab League: “Strongly Denounced” The “Crimes Against Humanity” Carried Out By The Islamic State.

• Turkey’s Top Cleric: Islamic State’s Threats Are “Hugely Damaging,” “Truly Awful.”

• Council on American-Islamic Relations CAIR Repeatedly Condemned The Islamic State As “Un-Islamic And Morally Repugnant.”

• The Muslim Council Of Great Britain: “Violence Has No Place In Religion.”

• The Islamic Society of North America: The Islamic State’s Actions “Are To Be Denounced And Are In No Way Representative Of What Islam Actually Teaches.

• 100 Sunni And Shiite U.K. Imams: The Islamic State Is An “Illegitimate, Vicious Group.”

• Saudi Arabia’s Highest Religious Authority: Terrorists Like The Islamic State Is The “Number One Enemy Of Islam.”

• Muslim Public Affairs Council: Condemned The Islamic State And Called For “Stand Against Extremism.”

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/commonwordcommonlord/2014/08/think-muslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.html

You probably have to turn off Trump and Fox to find it though.

That statement from the Saudi religious authorities is rich...as Saudi Arabia is basically an ISIS that's made it.

[up2u2]

That statement from the Saudi religious authorities is rich...as Saudi Arabia is basically an ISIS that's made it.

Doublwya Bush created ISIS. Idiot Republicans.

[sirineou]

That statement from the Saudi religious authorities is rich...as Saudi Arabia is basically an ISIS that's made it.

Doublwya Bush created ISIS. Idiot Republicans.

I agree with you,

But Obama also has his share of the blame, His administration destabilized Syria by supporting the removal of Assad with out a strong replacement to fill the vacuum, Politics abhors a vacuum , Obama is no political idiot, who did he expect to fill it?That is why I think there is a different game being played than what it appears.

[zydeco]

Worldwide muslims condemn Trump. American voters applaud him. Wonder which group will have the final say about his being president?

[sirineou]

Worldwide muslims condemn Trump. American voters applaud him. Wonder which group will have the final say about his being president?

you mean, some americans applaud him

[VIPinthailand]

nobody care what you think guys.... you are property of the USA. so keep it shut...

[KarenBravo]

nobody care what you think guys.... you are property of the USA. so keep it shut...

.....and you are the property of US big business. Congratulations.

[Scott]

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[chuckd]

nobody care what you think guys.... you are property of the USA. so keep it shut...

Who died and left you in charge?