SU-24 jet's flight data recorders 'unreadable'

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SU-24 data recorders "unreadable"



MOSCOW: -- Russian investigators say the black box from a military jet shot down by Turkey on the Syrian border last month is too damaged to be of any use.

Experts say restoring and reading data from the SU-24 jet’s flight recorders will not be possible.

The commission investigating the circumstances leading to the crash says it will seek help from specialised scientific institutions in Russia, adding that this may take a long time.

Why did the jet crash?

The jet was shot down by F-16 fighters on November 24th.

The downing of the plane has plunged relations between Russia and Turkey into a deep crisis.

Ankara claims the aircraft was in Turkish airspace.

Russia insists it was in Syrian airspace. Moscow has demanded an apology from Ankara and has imposed a range of potentially costly sanctions.


-- (c) Copyright Euronews 2015-12-22

[Somtamnication]

Unreadable because it will show Turkey incursion?

[ezzra]

Oh how convenient and a transparent attempt to circumvent the truth...C'mon Russia, you can do better than that surly...

[craigt3365]

Getting harder and harder to believe anything that comes out of Moscow:

http://www.ibtimes.com/russian-su-24-jet-attack-moscow-has-proof-downed-jet-posed-no-threat-turkey-black-box-2231646

Sergei Dronov, the deputy head of Russian Aerospace Forces, reportedly said during a briefing that Russia has proof that the Su-24 jet did not violate Turkish airspace. The comments come just a day after Russia said that Turkey must pay compensation over its actions and guarantee that a similar incident would not happen in the future.

“At present we can say that we have all the necessary info at our disposal: we do have proof that the Russian Su-24 did not violate the Turkish air space,” Dronov said, according to Sputnik News.

Perhaps be a bit more careful with what you say until you know what's going on????

[craigt3365]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/03/11/289189214/what-would-it-take-to-destroy-a-black-box

What would it take to destroy a black box?

"It is extremely rare for a black box to be destroyed," says Hamilton. "Black boxes have traditionally outperformed their design."

Hamilton says he cannot think of a single case in which both devices have been damaged to the point of there being no useful data.

"It would take a concentrated fire beyond its design strength, or an impact so high that it would be beyond what it could withstand."

Has a black box ever been destroyed?

There are a handful of cases in which black boxes have not been recovered, and a couple of cases in which the flight data recorder was found but not the cockpit voice recorder, or vice versa. Rarely, a recorder is recovered but blank or too damaged to read.

Methinks they found out the plane was actually in Turkey and now don't want to admit they were wrong.

[Rob13]

The Russians ought to turn the box over to the UN or some neutral party for inspection, if they want people to believe them.

[retarius]

The Russians ought to turn the box over to the UN or some neutral party for inspection, if they want people to believe them.

Actually it was reported that Putin personally asked Putin if UK investigators could participate in reading the black box....obviously to pre-empt accusations of 'fixing' the data. Cameron declined, for obvious reasons he didn't want to validate the data.

Clearly Putin thought that the recording would show no invasion of Turkish airspace rather than the 17 seconds which people now believe.

Either the data are unreadable or it shows an incursion into Turkish airspace of longer than 17 seconds and the Russians don't want to release the data. I don;t know whether there were an independent investigators that did participate in the black box reading, if so then it rules out the Russians 'gaming' the who;e black box issue.

[craigt3365]

The US confirmed the plane was in Turkish airspace. Even if only for 17 seconds, Russia had been warned before...and was warned then. Only to ignore the warnings. As they've done time after time in the past few years.

50 violations listed here:

http://www.europeanleadershipnetwork.org/medialibrary/2015/03/11/4264a5a6/ELN%20Russia%20-%20West%20Full%20List%20of%20Incidents.pdf

I feel sorry for the Baltics!

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9d016276-43c3-11e4-baa7-00144feabdc0.html

Nato fighters policing Baltic airspace were scrambled 68 times along Lithuania’s borders this year, by far the highest count in more than 10 years. Latvia registered 150 “close incidents”, cases where Russian aircraft were found approaching and observed for risky behaviour. Estonia said its sovereign airspace had been violated by Russian aircraft five times this year, nearing the total count of seven over the previous eight years.

Finland has had five violations of its airspace this year against an annual average of one to two in the previous decade, while Sweden last week suffered what Carl Bildt called the “most serious airspace incursion” in his eight years as foreign minister.

Time they got spanked.

[wabothai]

Who to believe?

[SOTIRIOS]

....what have Turkey...U.K....or The U.S.A. ever done for you....

...wake up or grow up.....

....'Cowboys and Indians'...

..continue to hate...blindly.....

...this is not about you or I.....

...but it goes on and on....like rooting for your favorite sports team.....fanatics...fanaticism.....

....delve deeper into the real goings-on in the world....

...and within yourselves....

[lamplaimattlad]

Unreadable because it will show Turkey incursion?

Spot on!!

[Dap]

Getting harder and harder to believe anything that comes out of Moscow:

http://www.ibtimes.com/russian-su-24-jet-attack-moscow-has-proof-downed-jet-posed-no-threat-turkey-black-box-2231646

Sergei Dronov, the deputy head of Russian Aerospace Forces, reportedly said during a briefing that Russia has proof that the Su-24 jet did not violate Turkish airspace. The comments come just a day after Russia said that Turkey must pay compensation over its actions and guarantee that a similar incident would not happen in the future.

“At present we can say that we have all the necessary info at our disposal: we do have proof that the Russian Su-24 did not violate the Turkish air space,” Dronov said, according to Sputnik News.

Perhaps be a bit more careful with what you say until you know what's going on????

"Getting harder and harder to believe anything that comes out of Moscow:"

Or anywhere else for that matter, including ... the Vatican

[sanukjim]

Be live me if the Russians say the the recorders give no data its because they choose to report this as it suits them not to relay what is really on the data.Fire,water bomb explosions will not destroy them..

[Seastallion]

The Russians ought to turn the box over to the UN or some neutral party for inspection, if they want people to believe them.

The one in the photo or the real one?

[Seastallion]

Unreadable because it will show Turkey incursion?

Spot on!!

If that means incursion into Turkey (and not an incursion by Turkey into Syria), yes.

[arunsakda]

That FDR is hardly dented. What rubbish! Air France 447 recorders were recovered and analyzed after 2 years at 4000 metres on the bottom of the South Atlantic.

Edited December 22, 2015 by arunsakda

[Srikcir]

"Experts say restoring and reading data from the SU-24 jet’s flight recorders will not be possible."

That is not what was said just the day before by Lt. Gen. Sergei Bainetov, head of the Defense Ministry's flight safety department. "The commission is studying the possibility of using the assistance of Russian specialized scientific institutions, which possess capability of reading data directly from the microchip,"

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151221/1032095657/su24-black-box-decoding-foereigners.html#ixzz3v3N3w6sH

Edited December 22, 2015 by Srikcir

[Andaman Al]

mmmm! I think a couple more inconvenient truths are floating around out there ! The body language of the spokesmen in the photo speaks volumes