Koh Tao: Suspects found guilty of murdering British backpackers

[JLCrab]

Some strategy!! they fly this useless Dr. expert in to bolster their defence case - and end up not using her as she is of no help or usefulness to them. In other words an overly qualified dud.

I see you are having trouble assimilating a very simple fact, that is perhaps the reason you keep talking about the DNA evidence as though is it meaningful..

No Chain of Custody means DNA evidence is meaningless.

When you finally understand what that actually means I can imagine you'll have a eureka moment as your belief system collapses around you.

Stay strong brother.

I presume the Koh Tao Defense Team now includes attorneys and persons familiar with the Thai Criminal Courts Appeals procedures and will know what information is relevant to an Appeal and what information is extraneous.

Edited December 29, 2015 by JLCrab

[geriatrickid]

Something to be proud of.

Thailand……………...

[greenchair]

This is what they want us to believe.

They were sitting playing guitar and drinking. As they started to walk home, they suddenly decided to take a swim at 1 o'clock in the morning, since it was raining a bit. As they were swimming someone came along and stole their clothes, but not their shoes and guitar. They then walked home but left their shoes and guitar behind. The next thing they remember is Muang woke them up at 5 o'clock in the morning. Muang and Wei Phyo decided to go back to get the shoes and the guitar. At some point Wei and Muang Muang separated. As Wei Phyo was walking along the beach back home he noticed a telephone on the beach,that belonged to a recently murdered man. He picked it up and gave it to his friend, because he was afraid it was from the crime that he just heard about.

His friend tried to destroy it and threw it away. The friend reported it (which just as well or he would have been a suspect also ).Muang Muang was conveniently asleep at his girlfriends, and the b2 were sooooo drunk they can't remember what happened in between all of this excitement.

Think about this for a minute.

Edited December 29, 2015 by greenchair

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KOH TAO MURDERS: My theory on why defence did not call international DNA collection expert Jane Taupin #appeal

[DM07]

Remind me of the judges basis for pronouncing them guilty. I'll help you - this is what the judge said before passing sentence.

As is customary in Thailand, where trials are not held before a jury, a judge delivered the verdict and sentence and said the DNA tests by investigators were carried out to acceptable standards and the DNA found on Ms Witheridge matched those of the defendants.

Here is what I have to say to that: Thai- "standards"!

I personally couldn't give two hot sh1ts about what a Thai- judge thinks is an "acceptable" standard, after all the chaos and mistakes in this case!

From now on, I will take the advice of a fellow member and quote the great English philosopher Ali G (luckily not AleG!), who once so eloquently said: "Talk to the 'and, 'cause the face ain't listening!"

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KOH TAO MURDERS: My theory on why defence did not call international DNA collection expert Jane Taupin #appeal

Ah ha!! So the evidence as supplied from celebrity queen Porntip (not a DNA collection expert) was preferred over Taupin's - a renowned expert in the field.

Why? because the evidence from their glamour queen fitted their story the best. In other words, the expert who supposedly understands DNA collection was not called as it conflicts with Porntip's and they insisted that this attention seeker have her day of (In)glory. No wonder they lost with idiotic strategy such as this!!!

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[DM07]

This is what they want us to believe.

They were sitting playing guitar and drinking. As they started to walk home, they suddenly decided to take a swim at 1 o'clock in the morning, since it was raining a bit. As they were swimming someone came along and stole their clothes, but not their shoes and guitar. They then walked home but left their shoes and guitar behind. The next thing they remember is Muang woke them up at 5 o'clock in the morning. Muang and Wei Phyo decided to go back to get the shoes and the guitar. At some point Wei and Muang Muang separated. As Wei Phyo was walking along the beach back home he noticed a telephone on the beach,that belonged to a recently murdered man. He picked it up and gave it to his friend, because he was afraid it was from the crime that he just heard about.

His friend tried to destroy it and threw it away. The friend reported it (which just as well or he would have been a suspect also ).Muang Muang was conveniently asleep at his girlfriends, and the b2 were sooooo drunk they can't remember what happened in between all of this excitement.

Think about this for a minute.

I assume, you are a lifelong anti-alcoholic?!

[catsanddogs]

Another thing that amazed me was the fact that not one of the victims friends testified in court, very strange.

Especialy Davids friend, I think his name was Chris, the guy that originaly the RTP accused of been involved.

Why was he not called to give evidence?

No he was not a witness

Maybe he had no evidence to give ? or do you think that David and Hannah's Friends have no access to social media ?

Or were they also Paid off ?

I believe Chris was the last person to see David alive, so I would have thought he would have been a very good witness.

The mood and behaviour of the victim and the ambience of his surrounding are vital in a fair trial.

When have I ever said anyone has been paid off...please retract that remark.

At some point during the evening of 14th/morning of 15th September, Hannah gave her phone to a friend to look after. She possibly also gave this friend her purse to look after. These two items can be seen on a table in front of Hannah in photographs that have been in the media. At some point in the evening/morning this friend would have thought it sensible to give them back to Hannah and no doubt Hannah would have wanted them back before she retired. Hannah's phone was handed into the police after her death by her friend, so it appears that Hannah did not get her phone back (which could possibly have saved her life). Possibly this friend was the last person to see Hannah alive. Possibly this friend was the mystery foreign running woman in the CCTV that the police did not put out. The woman that was running around the time of the crimes.

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KOH TAO MURDERS: My theory on why defence did not call international DNA collection expert Jane Taupin #appeal

Ah ha!! So the evidence as supplied from celebrity queen Porntip (not a DNA collection expert) was preferred over Taupin's - a renowned expert in the field.

Why? because the evidence from their glamour queen fitted their story the best. In other words, the expert who supposedly understands DNA collection was not called as it conflicts with Porntip's and they insisted that this attention seeker have her day of (In)glory. No wonder they lost with idiotic strategy such as this!!!

Thanks stealthenergiser for spilling the beans on their cock-up, I'm sure that was not your attention.

Didn't you read what the Lawyer said "theory"

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[AleG]

This is what they want us to believe.

They were sitting playing guitar and drinking. As they started to walk home, they suddenly decided to take a swim at 1 o'clock in the morning, since it was raining a bit. As they were swimming someone came along and stole their clothes, but not their shoes and guitar. They then walked home but left their shoes and guitar behind. The next thing they remember is Muang woke them up at 5 o'clock in the morning. Muang and Wei Phyo decided to go back to get the shoes and the guitar. At some point Wei and Muang Muang separated. As Wei Phyo was walking along the beach back home he noticed a telephone on the beach,that belonged to a recently murdered man. He picked it up and gave it to his friend, because he was afraid it was from the crime that he just heard about.

His friend tried to destroy it and threw it away. The friend reported it (which just as well or he would have been a suspect also ).Muang Muang was conveniently asleep at his girlfriends, and the b2 were sooooo drunk they can't remember what happened in between all of this excitement.

Think about this for a minute.

Add to that that during the investigation, when everyone was clamoring for witnesses or any information that could help they didn't say a thing to anyone. For example, it would had been relevant to inform that someone on that night stole their clothes, or that they didn't see anything suspicious around the area they were at (which just happened to be in between the point were the two victims were last seen alive and were they were found dead), etc, etc...

On top of all that we are supposed to believe that by sheer chance, of all the people on the islands, the police picked this guys up as scapegoats.

[StealthEnergiser]

I think it is time we all ignored Lucky11 and shortened this thread. Clearly no amount of reason is going to change his view.

Add AleG to that list.

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KOH TAO MURDERS: My theory on why defence did not call international DNA collection expert Jane Taupin #appeal

Ah ha!! So the evidence as supplied from celebrity queen Porntip (not a DNA collection expert) was preferred over Taupin's - a renowned expert in the field.

Why? because the evidence from their glamour queen fitted their story the best. In other words, the expert who supposedly understands DNA collection was not called as it conflicts with Porntip's and they insisted that this attention seeker have her day of (In)glory. No wonder they lost with idiotic strategy such as this!!!

Thanks stealthenergiser for spilling the beans on their cock-up, I'm sure that was not your attention.

Didn't you read what the Lawyer said "theory"

Theory or not - it provides a great insight into their flawed strategy in choosing this primadonna over the expert. As far as I am concerned, the defence's testing should not be considered as being admissible as it was not carried out by competent experts in the field. Also, Taupin's conclusions differed from Porntip's and so the evidence put to the judge is unreliable and should be disregarded on account of this. Doesn't leave a great deal of meat on the bone now, does it!!

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KOH TAO MURDERS: My theory on why defence did not call international DNA collection expert Jane Taupin #appeal

Ah ha!! So the evidence as supplied from celebrity queen Porntip (not a DNA collection expert) was preferred over Taupin's - a renowned expert in the field.

Why? because the evidence from their glamour queen fitted their story the best. In other words, the expert who supposedly understands DNA collection was not called as it conflicts with Porntip's and they insisted that this attention seeker have her day of (In)glory. No wonder they lost with idiotic strategy such as this!!!

Thanks stealthenergiser for spilling the beans on their cock-up, I'm sure that was not your attention.

Oh, I just love this.

When Pornthip gave her testimony and the 15 seconds "rule" came up I called it for what it is, nonsense.

Got dog piled for it as usual... now it turns out their own expert agreed with me and that's why they didn't call her to testify.

By the way, the "Gait Analysis" that Andy Hall presented in court is nonsense too.

Besiedes that there's a sleigh of hand in that statement, there was DNA from two men found on the hoe, one was a full profile of David Miller, the other was a partial profile that matched 25% of the markers from one of the Burmese.

Somehow this gets trotted around as if the results from the DNA analysis of the hoe proves the two Burmese are innocent.

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KOH TAO MURDERS: My theory on why defence did not call international DNA collection expert Jane Taupin #appeal

Ah ha!! So the evidence as supplied from celebrity queen Porntip (not a DNA collection expert) was preferred over Taupin's - a renowned expert in the field.

Why? because the evidence from their glamour queen fitted their story the best. In other words, the expert who supposedly understands DNA collection was not called as it conflicts with Porntip's and they insisted that this attention seeker have her day of (In)glory. No wonder they lost with idiotic strategy such as this!!!

Thanks stealthenergiser for spilling the beans on their cock-up, I'm sure that was not your attention.

Oh, I just love this.

When Pornthip gave her testimony and the 15 seconds "rule" came up I called it for what it is, nonsense.

Got dog piled for it as usual... now it turns out their own expert agreed with me and that's why they didn't call her to testify.

By the way, the "Gait Analysis" that Andy Hall presented in court is nonsense too.

Besiedes that there's a sleigh of hand in that statement, there was DNA from two men found on the hoe, one was a full profile of David Miller, the other was a partial profile that matched 25% of the markers from one of the Burmese.

Somehow this gets trotted around as if the results from the DNA analysis of the hoe proves the two Burmese are innocent.

Your just as bad the lawyer has said its his theory don't you understand the word.

welcome to my ignore list also

Edited December 29, 2015 by StealthEnergiser

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KOH TAO MURDERS: My theory on why defence did not call international DNA collection expert Jane Taupin #appeal

Ah ha!! So the evidence as supplied from celebrity queen Porntip (not a DNA collection expert) was preferred over Taupin's - a renowned expert in the field.

Why? because the evidence from their glamour queen fitted their story the best. In other words, the expert who supposedly understands DNA collection was not called as it conflicts with Porntip's and they insisted that this attention seeker have her day of (In)glory. No wonder they lost with idiotic strategy such as this!!!

Thanks stealthenergiser for spilling the beans on their cock-up, I'm sure that was not your attention.

Oh, I just love this.

When Pornthip gave her testimony and the 15 seconds "rule" came up I called it for what it is, nonsense.

Got dog piled for it as usual... now it turns out their own expert agreed with me and that's why they didn't call her to testify.

By the way, the "Gait Analysis" that Andy Hall presented in court is nonsense too.

Besiedes that there's a sleigh of hand in that statement, there was DNA from two men found on the hoe, one was a full profile of David Miller, the other was a partial profile that matched 25% of the markers from one of the Burmese.

Somehow this gets trotted around as if the results from the DNA analysis of the hoe proves the two Burmese are innocent.

They certainly kept quiet about this - so the DNA found was Miller's and a partial match for one of the B2. My ,my, the evidence for the defence in their appeal is disappearing before their very eyes. What are they going to use now?

This is damning indeed!! If the defence was dissatisfied with what they put up in the trial, then what is it going to be like for the appeal?

This will blow a whole of 'Titanic proportions' in any chance they had of overturning the decision.

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KOH TAO MURDERS: My theory on why defence did not call international DNA collection expert Jane Taupin #appeal

Ah ha!! So the evidence as supplied from celebrity queen Porntip (not a DNA collection expert) was preferred over Taupin's - a renowned expert in the field.

Why? because the evidence from their glamour queen fitted their story the best. In other words, the expert who supposedly understands DNA collection was not called as it conflicts with Porntip's and they insisted that this attention seeker have her day of (In)glory. No wonder they lost with idiotic strategy such as this!!!

Thanks stealthenergiser for spilling the beans on their cock-up, I'm sure that was not your attention.

Oh, I just love this.

When Pornthip gave her testimony and the 15 seconds "rule" came up I called it for what it is, nonsense.

Got dog piled for it as usual... now it turns out their own expert agreed with me and that's why they didn't call her to testify.

By the way, the "Gait Analysis" that Andy Hall presented in court is nonsense too.

Besiedes that there's a sleigh of hand in that statement, there was DNA from two men found on the hoe, one was a full profile of David Miller, the other was a partial profile that matched 25% of the markers from one of the Burmese.

Somehow this gets trotted around as if the results from the DNA analysis of the hoe proves the two Burmese are innocent.

Your just as bad the lawyer has said its his theory don't you understand the word.

welcome to my ignore list also

You know that this equates to you raising the white flag of surrender!!!

[stander]

The calls to close this thread and put certain individuals onto the ignore list, indicates that the not guilty camp is running out of steam.

Which is interesting, as with the help of this thread, I have now convinced two of my colleagues, who were firmly in the not guilty camp, that the judgement was correct.

They both oppose the death penalty, so they are not in favour of sentence.

[Bluespunk]

The calls to close this thread and put certain individuals onto the ignore list, indicates that the not guilty camp is running out of steam.

Which is interesting, as with the help of this thread, I have now convinced two of my colleagues, who were firmly in the not guilty camp, that the judgement was correct.

They both oppose the death penalty, so they are not in favour of sentence.

Yeah, right, sure you have...

[AleG]

Ah ha!! So the evidence as supplied from celebrity queen Porntip (not a DNA collection expert) was preferred over Taupin's - a renowned expert in the field.

Why? because the evidence from their glamour queen fitted their story the best. In other words, the expert who supposedly understands DNA collection was not called as it conflicts with Porntip's and they insisted that this attention seeker have her day of (In)glory. No wonder they lost with idiotic strategy such as this!!!

Thanks stealthenergiser for spilling the beans on their cock-up, I'm sure that was not your attention.

Oh, I just love this.

When Pornthip gave her testimony and the 15 seconds "rule" came up I called it for what it is, nonsense.

Got dog piled for it as usual... now it turns out their own expert agreed with me and that's why they didn't call her to testify.

By the way, the "Gait Analysis" that Andy Hall presented in court is nonsense too.

Besiedes that there's a sleigh of hand in that statement, there was DNA from two men found on the hoe, one was a full profile of David Miller, the other was a partial profile that matched 25% of the markers from one of the Burmese.

Somehow this gets trotted around as if the results from the DNA analysis of the hoe proves the two Burmese are innocent.

Your just as bad the lawyer has said its his theory don't you understand the word.

welcome to my ignore list also

Yes, yes, you said the same thing the last three or four times you started one of your "Let's put in ignore these guys because they are making points I can't refute".

As for "theories" the statement clearly says that there is no scientific literature to support Pornthip's "15 second rule", which is correct, that is not a theory, it is a fact; the theory put forward is that having a witness directly contradicting and discrediting the defense "celebrity" witness would had been a bad move.

Edited December 29, 2015 by AleG

[stander]

The calls to close this thread and put certain individuals onto the ignore list, indicates that the not guilty camp is running out of steam.

Which is interesting, as with the help of this thread, I have now convinced two of my colleagues, who were firmly in the not guilty camp, that the judgement was correct.

They both oppose the death penalty, so they are not in favour of sentence.

Yeah, right, sure you have...

I will continue to try to persuade them that the death penalty is justified in this case

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KOH TAO MURDERS: My theory on why defence did not call international DNA collection expert Jane Taupin #appeal

Ah ha!! So the evidence as supplied from celebrity queen Porntip (not a DNA collection expert) was preferred over Taupin's - a renowned expert in the field.

Why? because the evidence from their glamour queen fitted their story the best. In other words, the expert who supposedly understands DNA collection was not called as it conflicts with Porntip's and they insisted that this attention seeker have her day of (In)glory. No wonder they lost with idiotic strategy such as this!!!

Thanks stealthenergiser for spilling the beans on their cock-up, I'm sure that was not your attention.

Oh, I just love this.

When Pornthip gave her testimony and the 15 seconds "rule" came up I called it for what it is, nonsense.

Got dog piled for it as usual... now it turns out their own expert agreed with me and that's why they didn't call her to testify.

By the way, the "Gait Analysis" that Andy Hall presented in court is nonsense too.

Besiedes that there's a sleigh of hand in that statement, there was DNA from two men found on the hoe, one was a full profile of David Miller, the other was a partial profile that matched 25% of the markers from one of the Burmese.

Somehow this gets trotted around as if the results from the DNA analysis of the hoe proves the two Burmese are innocent.

They certainly kept quiet about this - so the DNA found was Miller's and a partial match for one of the B2. My ,my, the evidence for the defence in their appeal is disappearing before their very eyes. What are they going to use now?

This is damning indeed!! If the defence was dissatisfied with what they put up in the trial, then what is it going to be like for the appeal?

This will blow a whole of 'Titanic proportions' in any chance they had of overturning the decision.

Where does it say that ? DNA found was Miller's and a partial match for one of the B2. ?

[Bluespunk]

The calls to close this thread and put certain individuals onto the ignore list, indicates that the not guilty camp is running out of steam.

Which is interesting, as with the help of this thread, I have now convinced two of my colleagues, who were firmly in the not guilty camp, that the judgement was correct.

They both oppose the death penalty, so they are not in favour of sentence.

Yeah, right, sure you have...

I will continue to try to persuade them that the death penalty is justified in this case

Yeah, right...

"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge"

Stephen Hawking

Edited December 29, 2015 by Bluespunk

[AleG]

Oh, I just love this.

When Pornthip gave her testimony and the 15 seconds "rule" came up I called it for what it is, nonsense.

Got dog piled for it as usual... now it turns out their own expert agreed with me and that's why they didn't call her to testify.

By the way, the "Gait Analysis" that Andy Hall presented in court is nonsense too.

Besiedes that there's a sleigh of hand in that statement, there was DNA from two men found on the hoe, one was a full profile of David Miller, the other was a partial profile that matched 25% of the markers from one of the Burmese.

Somehow this gets trotted around as if the results from the DNA analysis of the hoe proves the two Burmese are innocent.

They certainly kept quiet about this - so the DNA found was Miller's and a partial match for one of the B2. My ,my, the evidence for the defence in their appeal is disappearing before their very eyes. What are they going to use now?

This is damning indeed!! If the defence was dissatisfied with what they put up in the trial, then what is it going to be like for the appeal?

This will blow a whole of 'Titanic proportions' in any chance they had of overturning the decision.

That fact came up during the prosecution turn, the man who presented the findings was cross examined over the point and explicitly said that the results of the partial match could not be used to inculpate or exculpate the suspect.

I have seen that there's an online campaign going on that, among other misleading and outright false claims uses the "fact" that the DNA from murder weapon didn't match the two Burmese as proof that they have been wrongfully convicted, even though the fact is that DNA from the murder weapon was not a factor in deciding their guilt, never mind that the actual results from the analysis did not, as I said before, ruled them out.

The intention is obvious, by only mentioning the DNA from the murder weapon it deceives people into thinking that DNA from the hoe was being used as the evidence against the Burmese, it is a blatant lie by omission.

[StealthEnergiser]

The calls to close this thread and put certain individuals onto the ignore list, indicates that the not guilty camp is running out of steam.

Which is interesting, as with the help of this thread, I have now convinced two of my colleagues, who were firmly in the not guilty camp, that the judgement was correct.

They both oppose the death penalty, so they are not in favour of sentence.

Yeah, right, sure you have...

I will continue to try to persuade them that the death penalty is justified in this case

What strong evidence has convinced you that is is justified ?

[smedly]

A certain individual of interest at the start of the investigation had a very public, televised and quite frankly disgraceful DNA test, all this in front of the Chief of Police ( what the hell was he doing there?)

Amazingly well within 24 hours the results were released and not to anyone's surprise were found to show he had no part in the crime!

I think it common knowledge than even the most basic DNA test takes a lot longer than 24 hours.

Stop telling lies Morris

Go do some research on rapid dna

In 2012 Florida police dept got there new rapid dna testing machine a X Rapid hit 200 unit The first case they solved using this machine was a robbery of a US solders home while he was in afghanistan, it produced a profile in 90 MINUTES that linked a suspect to the crime.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/790124-thailand-lookout-the-rapidhit-200-can-generate-a-dna-profile-in-about-90-minutes/

it might be a possibility if we were talking about the Central Institute of Forensic Science part of the ministry of justice and not some ill equipped police lab that at the beginning of this investigation admitted they may not even be equipped to carry out complex dna testing

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KOH TAO MURDERS: My theory on why defence did not call international DNA collection expert Jane Taupin #appeal

Ah ha!! So the evidence as supplied from celebrity queen Porntip (not a DNA collection expert) was preferred over Taupin's - a renowned expert in the field.

Why? because the evidence from their glamour queen fitted their story the best. In other words, the expert who supposedly understands DNA collection was not called as it conflicts with Porntip's and they insisted that this attention seeker have her day of (In)glory. No wonder they lost with idiotic strategy such as this!!!

Thanks stealthenergiser for spilling the beans on their cock-up, I'm sure that was not your attention.

Oh, I just love this.

When Pornthip gave her testimony and the 15 seconds "rule" came up I called it for what it is, nonsense.

Got dog piled for it as usual... now it turns out their own expert agreed with me and that's why they didn't call her to testify.

By the way, the "Gait Analysis" that Andy Hall presented in court is nonsense too.

Besiedes that there's a sleigh of hand in that statement, there was DNA from two men found on the hoe, one was a full profile of David Miller, the other was a partial profile that matched 25% of the markers from one of the Burmese.

Somehow this gets trotted around as if the results from the DNA analysis of the hoe proves the two Burmese are innocent.

Your just as bad the lawyer has said its his theory don't you understand the word.

welcome to my ignore list also

The image I get when someone uses the term I put you on my ignore list. It means he has not the resources to defend the claims he makes. Sounds familiar?

Edited December 29, 2015 by TheCruncher

[AleG]

They certainly kept quiet about this - so the DNA found was Miller's and a partial match for one of the B2. My ,my, the evidence for the defence in their appeal is disappearing before their very eyes. What are they going to use now?

This is damning indeed!! If the defence was dissatisfied with what they put up in the trial, then what is it going to be like for the appeal?

This will blow a whole of 'Titanic proportions' in any chance they had of overturning the decision.

Where does it say that ? DNA found was Miller's and a partial match for one of the B2. ?

I saved the article some time ago:

"Forensic Science Officer Worawee Waiyawuth said DNA testing in their laboratory showed Ms Witheridge had held the hoe handle for the longest time, leaving a DNA trace which was not blood, although her blood was on the blade. A full profile for David Miller was also found on the handle, along with an incomplete profile for a third male.

The prosecution asked Mr Waiyawuth if the third, incomplete, profile could belong to one of the suspects. He replied that only a quarter of the indicators from one of the suspects matched the partial profile.

The prosecution said: “So his participation cannot be ruled out.”

Mr Waiyawith replied: “No, but he cannot be included either.”

Lucky that I saved it because the article was subsequently shortened and the dialog between the prosecution and the witness removed, perhaps Sarah Yuen, if she is still reading this threads, would like to explain why.

[stander]

The calls to close this thread and put certain individuals onto the ignore list, indicates that the not guilty camp is running out of steam.

Which is interesting, as with the help of this thread, I have now convinced two of my colleagues, who were firmly in the not guilty camp, that the judgement was correct.

They both oppose the death penalty, so they are not in favour of sentence.

Yeah, right, sure you have...

I will continue to try to persuade them that the death penalty is justified in this case

What strong evidence has convinced you that is is justified ?

The DNA and their implausible alibi , which was summarized so well by greenchair in post 1826

[smedly]

OK, your view that the evidence was flimsy, I believe it to be solid and irrefutable.

No DNA on the alledged muder weapon.......solid and irrefutable.....mmmmmm

Davids and Hannas wounds created by the same weapon.,,,,mmmmm

No chain of command of DNA evidence and all DNA lost so no re-tests possible ....mmmmm

All solid and good?

Oh and the best one...all prosecution evidence brought to court in a shopping trolley....have they given it back to Lotus yet?

The DNA (semen) found inside of Hannah's body matched that of the B2 - game over.

what dna, so far we have a verbal statement and a scribble on a piece of paper - would you be satisfied with that if it was you being accused of murder ?

seriously you really need to stop this nonsense