webfact Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Will Thailand Buy Russian T-90 Tanks?By Franz-Stefan GadyDelays in the delivery of Ukrainian-made Oplot tanks made the Thai military look for alternatives.LONDON: -- Thailand is considering buying an unknown number of Russian-made T-90S or MS main battle tanks (MBT). According to the website Defence Blog, a Thai delegation visited the Russian city of Nizhny Tagil, the site of the largest main battle tank manufacturer in the world.The Royal Thai Army delegation expressed interest in both the T-90(M)S and the T-14 Armata MBT – dubbed “Russia’s deadliest tank” (See: “It’s Official: Russia’s Deadliest Tank Will Be Ready for Battle in 2020”). However, the export version of the T-14 MBT is still in the development stage and would not be ready in time to replace Thailand’s aging fleet of M48A5 ‘Patton’ tanks.In 2011, Thailand placed a $240 million order for the purchase of 49 Ukrainian-made T-84 ‘Oplot-M’ MBTs plus a number of support vehicles with Ukrspetsexport, a Ukrainian state-owned defense contractor. Yet, by the end of 2015, only ten tanks had been delivered to the Royal Thai Army, causing concern over future delays among high-ranking officers in the Royal Thai Army.Full story: http://thediplomat.com/2016/01/will-thailand-buy-russian-t-90-tanks/-- THE DIPLOMAT 2016-01-05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I wonder which country is more important to the Thai tourist industry, Ukraine or Russia? Oh wait, I think I know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 "In 2011, Thailand placed a $240 million order for the purchase of 49 Ukrainian-made T-84 ‘Oplot-M’ MBTs plus a number of support vehicles with Ukrspetsexport, a Ukrainian state-owned defence contractor. Yet, by the end of 2015, only ten tanks had been delivered to the Royal Thai Army" 10 tanks in 4 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 "In 2011, Thailand placed a $240 million order for the purchase of 49 Ukrainian-made T-84 ‘Oplot-M’ MBTs plus a number of support vehicles with Ukrspetsexport, a Ukrainian state-owned defence contractor. Yet, by the end of 2015, only ten tanks had been delivered to the Royal Thai Army" 10 tanks in 4 years... 10 tanks, that's enough hardware to control chiang mai, udon, and KK, they can cancel the rest and pocket the money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigeone Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Read the small print in the contract I guess ! They must have got a delivery date no!?? Wonder how much of the contract money made it to Ukraine ..could be 10 tanks worth !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 "In 2011, Thailand placed a $240 million order for the purchase of 49 Ukrainian-made T-84 ‘Oplot-M’ MBTs plus a number of support vehicles with Ukrspetsexport, a Ukrainian state-owned defence contractor. Yet, by the end of 2015, only ten tanks had been delivered to the Royal Thai Army" 10 tanks in 4 years... 10 tanks, that's enough hardware to control chiang mai, udon, and KK, they can cancel the rest and pocket the money... Not that they need new tanks for that. You can machine gun a crowd from a 40 year old tank as effectively as from a brand new one, and lets face it that is the only use they have for tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ks45672 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 "In 2011, Thailand placed a $240 million order for the purchase of 49 Ukrainian-made T-84 Oplot-M MBTs plus a number of support vehicles with Ukrspetsexport, a Ukrainian state-owned defence contractor. Yet, by the end of 2015, only ten tanks had been delivered to the Royal Thai Army" 10 tanks in 4 years... 10 tanks, that's enough hardware to control chiang mai, udon, and KK, they can cancel the rest and pocket the money... Not that they need new tanks for that. You can machine gun a crowd from a 40 year old tank as effectively as from a brand new one, and lets face it that is the only use they have for tanks. But the new ones can shoot them from further away.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doremifasol Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Ready for Battle in 2020.............. I don't like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LannaGuy Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 "In 2011, Thailand placed a $240 million order for the purchase of 49 Ukrainian-made T-84 ‘Oplot-M’ MBTs plus a number of support vehicles with Ukrspetsexport, a Ukrainian state-owned defence contractor. Yet, by the end of 2015, only ten tanks had been delivered to the Royal Thai Army" 10 tanks in 4 years... I mean, after all, the Ukrainians don't need them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somtamnication Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Everyone knows you need new tanks to fight students with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 "In 2011, Thailand placed a $240 million order for the purchase of 49 Ukrainian-made T-84 ‘Oplot-M’ MBTs plus a number of support vehicles with Ukrspetsexport, a Ukrainian state-owned defence contractor. Yet, by the end of 2015, only ten tanks had been delivered to the Royal Thai Army" 10 tanks in 4 years... 10 tanks, that's enough hardware to control chiang mai, udon, and KK, they can cancel the rest and pocket the money... Not that they need new tanks for that. You can machine gun a crowd from a 40 year old tank as effectively as from a brand new one, and lets face it that is the only use they have for tanks. alright, cancel the order, spend the money on the 30 bhat program to make sure the people gunned down from the old tanks are healthy... nah, nothing in it for the generals, ... bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeneeds Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Obsolete way of fighting an enemy with tanks ,they are still way too heavy and expensive to move and have a restricted elevation, would be far more dominate in a fight with cheap kamikaze drones that fly directly up the gun current and explode, how many drones could you buy for the cost of 10 tanks 240 million, i see them advertised for 22000 baht, lets see thats = a lot , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacky54 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 New tanks, Thailand moving forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Plug the gun barrel, put lots of silicone in cracks to make the tanks air tight, give some to the Thai Navy for the 3 submarines they want to defend the high seas around Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldragon Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Obsolete way of fighting an enemy with tanks ,they are still way too heavy and expensive to move and have a restricted elevation, would be far more dominate in a fight with cheap kamikaze drones that fly directly up the gun current and explode, how many drones could you buy for the cost of 10 tanks 240 million, i see them advertised for 22000 baht, lets see thats = a lot , Seriously. Who uses tanks in the 21st century? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usernames Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 This is the same Russian tank that broke down in its debut military parade and had to be hauled off the street. http://www.newsweek.com/russias-hot-new-tank-breaks-down-during-victory-day-rehearsals-329540 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms22 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 "In 2011, Thailand placed a $240 million order for the purchase of 49 Ukrainian-made T-84 ‘Oplot-M’ MBTs plus a number of support vehicles with Ukrspetsexport, a Ukrainian state-owned defence contractor. Yet, by the end of 2015, only ten tanks had been delivered to the Royal Thai Army" 10 tanks in 4 years... Know the facts. This is due to conflict and resultant upheaval in Ukraine, nothing to do with Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Obsolete way of fighting an enemy with tanks ,they are still way too heavy and expensive to move and have a restricted elevation, would be far more dominate in a fight with cheap kamikaze drones that fly directly up the gun current and explode, how many drones could you buy for the cost of 10 tanks 240 million, i see them advertised for 22000 baht, lets see thats = a lot , Seriously. Who uses tanks in the 21st century? ummm almost all military forces at some time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyBowskill Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 They actually blog about defense issues? Now that is handy for any possible enemies!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Obsolete way of fighting an enemy with tanks ,they are still way too heavy and expensive to move and have a restricted elevation, would be far more dominate in a fight with cheap kamikaze drones that fly directly up the gun current and explode, how many drones could you buy for the cost of 10 tanks 240 million, i see them advertised for 22000 baht, lets see thats = a lot , Seriously. Who uses tanks in the 21st century? Seriously, you think the Thais are in the 21st century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldragon Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Obsolete way of fighting an enemy with tanks ,they are still way too heavy and expensive to move and have a restricted elevation, would be far more dominate in a fight with cheap kamikaze drones that fly directly up the gun current and explode, how many drones could you buy for the cost of 10 tanks 240 million, i see them advertised for 22000 baht, lets see thats = a lot , Seriously. Who uses tanks in the 21st century?ummm almost all military forces at some time! But for what? Toppling cities? Defending borders? Just seems like they're mostly used for intimidation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Obsolete way of fighting an enemy with tanks ,they are still way too heavy and expensive to move and have a restricted elevation, would be far more dominate in a fight with cheap kamikaze drones that fly directly up the gun current and explode, how many drones could you buy for the cost of 10 tanks 240 million, i see them advertised for 22000 baht, lets see thats = a lot , Ah the old sensible logical post, sorry leeneeds it doesn't apply here. It's not about tanks it's about syphoning the funds budgeted for the tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Thailand is also considering the Chinese VT4 / MBT-3000 tank that is designed as a competitor to the Russian T-90. The Thai army required the new tanks to have a 125-mm tank gun that effectively eliminates any Western manufactured tank. A report in 2014 by the Center for Analysis of World Arms Trade indicated that the global demand for new tanks will sharply decline from 2014 to 2017 compared with the previous four-year period, that should present good bargains for buyers.Maybe the Junta can do another G2G deal and tradeoff more of its stockpiled rice and rubber. Meanwhile it remains to see if the RTA will renege on the Ukraine purchase without penalties. According to a Thai news source, TMA created a special committee on the purchase of new tanks to "unleash impasse” with receiving the Ukrainian. According to a Russian news source, the possible breach of TMA's tank contract with Ukraine allows the contract to be "customized" for political reasons and competitive pricing: "This could be bribed and custom information ... This practice on the arms market exists. In fact, the contract is implemented, its implementation – is funded.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanukjim Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Tank warfare was devised for war in Europe where you have vast lands of heavy forest and plains.A tank can travel through forest and over farm land,and rolling hills.They do not work well in jungle areas.I The Vietnam War the US and South Vietnamese ended up using them mostly as stationary gun emplacements.The NVA were using Russian tanks to somewhat of an advantage along the DMZ .In or about 1966 The US Army introduced the "wire guided " missile to their Cobra helicopter gun ships..In less then a month The NVA lost 80% or their tanks to these missiles.The rest were pulled back to the Hanoi area where The Cobras could not go.Tanks for Thailand will be about as useless as submarines or their aircraft carrier(that no Thai has landed on with a fighter aircraft).It is just another way for LOS Army to get money in the generals pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman34014 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Must be some happy Generals around. All that graft doing the deal with Ukraine and now it's all aboard a new gravy train for the Russian deal. They must be hoping the Russians don't deliver either ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ks45672 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I don't think tanks would be much use against modern weaponry after 2020,they can be hit from missiles by drones above the clouds and they're relatively slow and cumbersome..... The next generation of fighter jets will change they way targets are locked onto and destroyed from so far away they won't even know what happened until they're already dead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Seriously. Who uses tanks in the 21st century? Who uses them? You might want to google your question and you will every country uses them and developing/buying new ones. When boots-on-the-ground forces like Army and Marines are no longer required then we'll probably see tanks only in museums which I don't foresee happening in at least a hundred life times. And I say this after a career in the air force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSJ Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Wow.....dump the Ukrainians for their 2nd best friends.....how uncool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishoak Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 This is the same Russian tank that broke down in its debut military parade and had to be hauled off the street. http://www.newsweek.com/russias-hot-new-tank-breaks-down-during-victory-day-rehearsals-329540 Doubt they will want that one then will they ? Just how many Ukrainians come to Thailand on holiday again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldroj Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 "Russia's deadliest tank" coming to a street near your! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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