Suspected child rapist beaten to death in Thailand’s Nonthaburi prison

[metisdead]

Off topic posts, inflammatory posts and other nonsense posts have been removed.

[Nobb]

All prisoners around the world hate child rapist and child molesters. Very common ending for this man!

[farcanell]

It cannot be left to the mob in the prison cell to decide about somebody's life. That they "entertain" him a little to make him regret his acts is OK but this clearly goes beyond what is desirable.

Quite true... But how to control it? No country has yet been able to solve that problem, despite serious attempts by some countries.

But... lest we not forget that mob justice in " enlightened" societies, has only petered out over the last one hundred years, and still occasionally raises its ugly head, so to suggest it is abnormal is incorrect, which is not to say it's right.

Vigilantism most commonly exists within a community with little to no faith in the authorities ( does that sound like Thailand?)

Regardless... A prison is in itself a micro community, with all the trappings of a " normal" community, including the meting out of justice

So if this alleged rapist was innocent ( God forbid, given his demise) then the fault for his demises lies directly at the feet of the authorities... Who should be made to pay.

Their official version..... The man obviously beat himself to death, out of remorse.... DNA collected, statements taken...Case closed... It's a jungle out there.

[ianf]

Vigilante justice is nothing to applaud or be proud of. We all know how easy it is to be accused of a crime of which one is innocent. When it happens to YOU.....will you be so quick to scream for blood?

Vigilantes normally don't have a brain cell between them. Paedetricians are fair game!

Pardon? Can you repeat? Why are children's doctors fair game?

[ianf]

To all the do gooder TV lawyers, imagine that the girl was your daughter, and she had told you implicitly that she had been raped by the 'accused', how much sympathy would you have for him ?

I imagine, not a lot.

False argument and completely irrelevant!

Justice and laws should foot on principals and not depend on "having a bad day"!

IF I were the father, in the heat of the moment, I would be enraged and might want to kill the guy who did it- but when I come to my senses, one day, I would stand up against the death penalty, no matter what!

Since no one on TVF actually IS the father of this girl, the bloodthirst is even less understandable!

DM07: The blood thirstyness may be understandable in a psychological context. How many of these posters are subconsciously engaged in transferring their own guilt? How many look at pornographic websites that display legal-aged girls in school uniforms? How many have fantasies of their own? It is generally understood that people who have revenge fantasies of the kind we have seen posted here and indeed posted every time there is a story about child molesters have their own problems which often are 'perverse' in nature. I think that before posting most thinking people will read the story (in this case) and see that the guy was accused but not tried or convicted. The justice system (however good or bad it is in any country) should be left to the judiciary and not to the mob. Thailand is not unique in these kind of transference feelings - we see it in the UK very often. And I am sure in all other countries too.

Edited January 8, 2016 by ianf

[brewsterbudgen]

Vigilante justice is nothing to applaud or be proud of. We all know how easy it is to be accused of a crime of which one is innocent. When it happens to YOU.....will you be so quick to scream for blood?

Vigilantes normally don't have a brain cell between them. Paedetricians are fair game!

Pardon? Can you repeat? Why are children's doctors fair game?

I was making a point about the ignorance of self-styled anti-paedophile vigilantes.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/vigilante-mob-attacks-home-of-paediatrician-710864.html

[farcanell]

To all the do gooder TV lawyers, imagine that the girl was your daughter, and she had told you implicitly that she had been raped by the 'accused', how much sympathy would you have for him ?

I imagine, not a lot.

False argument and completely irrelevant!

Justice and laws should foot on principals and not depend on "having a bad day"!

IF I were the father, in the heat of the moment, I would be enraged and might want to kill the guy who did it- but when I come to my senses, one day, I would stand up against the death penalty, no matter what!

Since no one on TVF actually IS the father of this girl, the bloodthirst is even less understandable!

DM07: The blood thirstyness may be understandable in a psychological context. How many of these posters are subconsciously engaged in transferring their own guilt? How many look at pornographic websites that display legal-aged girls in school uniforms? How many have fantasies of their own? It is generally understood that people who have revenge fantasies of the kind we have seen posted here and indeed posted every time there is a story about child molesters have their own problems which often are 'perverse' in nature. I think that before posting most thinking people will read the story (in this case) and see that the guy was accused but not tried or convicted. The justice system (however good or bad it is in any country) should be left to the judiciary and not to the mob. Thailand is not unique in these kind of transference feelings - we see it in the UK very often. And I am sure in all other countries too.

Very insightful indeed

[farcanell]

The end of civilized criminal law and people applauding?

Shocking

Not "people", but a small minority of posters on the far right posting from their trailer parks ...............

When they are not busy spewing their venom here, they spend their days supporting Donald Trumph !!

That's an interesting interpretation, 'posters on the far right'.

BTW I guess you don't have a daughter around that age, or none who might be easily impressed by smooth talking males?

The last post is on the mark.

Not sure what is meant by trailer park right winger trump supporters is all about, but I'm guessing someone is being insulted

As to the end of civilized criminal law... Lol.... Civilized criminal law is in its infancy... And has a very long way to go, before we see its decline

The mighty Saladin once had the hands and feet of a retainer amputated, so he could wither around on the ground like a worm, until he died... Nobody dared say that Saladin was uncivilized... The opposite really.

[PMZ]

What goes around comes around.

I would have tied him to an ants nest first and then beaten him to death.

I hope you are never "accused" of a crime if that's the case.

If you are accused of a crime you can tell the accuser to <deleted>!!!

If you are arrested of a serious crime their is strong evidence against you, and you can get a lawyer, to represent you.

If you are arrested of being pedophile, (who by the way are always innocent of any crime) then if you don't get locked up in solitary, your short lived life will end in long and painful way.

That is the risk you take being a pedophile and that's life.

He was not 'accused', troll, he was in prison for the crime!

If you read all of the media reports, as well as many of the comments in this thread, you will see that he was 'accused', thus, not yet convicted, so you are very wrong.

You may wish to be less hasty in dishing out the 'troll' accusation.

[Spock]

The end of civilized criminal law and people applauding?

Shocking

Not "people", but a small minority of posters on the far right posting from their trailer parks ...............

When they are not busy spewing their venom here, they spend their days supporting Donald Trumph !!

That's an interesting interpretation, 'posters on the far right'.

BTW I guess you don't have a daughter around that age, or none who might be easily impressed by smooth talking males?

The last post is on the mark.

Not sure what is meant by trailer park right winger trump supporters is all about, but I'm guessing someone is being insulted

As to the end of civilized criminal law... Lol.... Civilized criminal law is in its infancy... And has a very long way to go, before we see its decline

The mighty Saladin once had the hands and feet of a retainer amputated, so he could wither around on the ground like a worm, until he died... Nobody dared say that Saladin was uncivilized... The opposite really.

Anyone who resorts to such cruelty as you say Saladin did is uncivilized, no matter whether others dare to tell them or not.

[GoNavy]

Comments regarding the murder, yes murder of this accused rapist is appalling. Do you people come from civilized countries? If so you could have fooled me. This blood-lust for those accused of these present crimes found to be so abhorrent reminds me of vigilante mentality. We who have not knowledge of this crime other then what is written in a brief news article should have no opinion other then let justice follow its course.

I personally would not want to associate with people who think as what has been written joyous over this man's death. He was accused not found guilty in a court. That determines civility.

[gemguy]

If the guy was in fact guilty then I think he got his just desserts. If not, the prison authorities have some serious issues to address (as they did before anyhow)

Exactly.

All they have to do is accuse the guy of being a pedophile / child rapist and throw him in the crowded cell with the other savages and inform the savages he is a pedophile / child rapists....and he is doomed.

The lynch mob is always there ready to "hang em high"...this time by the guys balls.

As you can see in the headline it says: Suspected Child Rapist.

What if he was not and was set up and charged when he did not do what he was accused of...... then off to prison while everyone in the prison is told he is a child rapist / pedophile.

Either way....savages.....

And will anyone be held accountable for the savage murder of the suspected child rapist.

Cheers

[lometogo]

What a depressing lot of bloodthirsty vigilantes on this forum.....Sounds like a lot of Donald Trump supporters, if Americans.

[Rancid]

So....Roman Polansky???.......

Not Russian but Polish if memory serves...

[mrrizzla]

What a depressing lot of bloodthirsty vigilantes on this forum.....Sounds like a lot of Donald Trump supporters, if Americans.

The same types that probably say Sharia law is barbaric.

Takes one to know one with these types it seems

[ianf]

Vigilante justice is nothing to applaud or be proud of. We all know how easy it is to be accused of a crime of which one is innocent. When it happens to YOU.....will you be so quick to scream for blood?

Vigilantes normally don't have a brain cell between them. Paedetricians are fair game!

If you meant pediatricians, I don't see why child's physicians needs to be lynched?

Sorry for the spelling mistake, but yes I meant paediatricians (British spelling). There was a famous case in the UK when a gang of vigilantes attacked a paediatrician on the belief that paediatricians and paedophiles were the same. Not the brightest bunch.

Sorry. I misunderstood your post. But you are, off course, quite right!

[farcanell]

The end of civilized criminal law and people applauding?
Shocking

Not "people", but a small minority of posters on the far right posting from their trailer parks ...............

When they are not busy spewing their venom here, they spend their days supporting Donald Trumph !!

That's an interesting interpretation, 'posters on the far right'.

BTW I guess you don't have a daughter around that age, or none who might be easily impressed by smooth talking males?

The last post is on the mark.

Not sure what is meant by trailer park right winger trump supporters is all about, but I'm guessing someone is being insulted

As to the end of civilized criminal law... Lol.... Civilized criminal law is in its infancy... And has a very long way to go, before we see its decline

The mighty Saladin once had the hands and feet of a retainer amputated, so he could wither around on the ground like a worm, until he died... Nobody dared say that Saladin was uncivilized... The opposite really.

Anyone who resorts to such cruelty as you say Saladin did is uncivilized, no matter whether others dare to tell them or not.

Exactly!

The point being that the thread was about the " end of civilized law" and I was pointing out that civilized law is in its infancy, not at its end, and used Saladin, who is a prominent figure in Muslim, Arab, Turkish and Kurdish culture, as an example of histories lack of civilized law.... To demonstrate the "infancy of civilized law"

History is full of such examples of what the civilization of the time deemed normal, like Romes crucifixion of some 6000 slaves after the Spartacus rebellions

Where you are... And when you are, defines what is, and is not, civilized, as does your own upbringing.

In Saudi, it's still civilized to behead wrong doers, and women are still stoned to death... This is normal to them, thus civilized... To us it is an abhorrent uncivilized behavior

[Yahooka]

Moral justice if he was guilty. Should be extended to all freaks of nature.

So after peadophiles who else will you brand "as freak of nature" ??

The disgusting TV lynchmob strikes again !!

[lvr181]

The end of civilized criminal law and people applauding?

Shocking

Civilized criminal law in Thailand? Definitely not the same as civilized criminal law in most western nations!

[falang khinok]

it is easy to be accused of anything in thailand...rape no problem..falang give me more money or i cry hellllpppp rape uhuhuhu

[rodcourt49]

If the guy was in fact guilty then I think he got his just desserts. If not, the prison authorities have some serious issues to address (as they did before anyhow)

..fancy letting them have access to rubber bands!..i can never undo the bags either..the way they spin the bag and secure the rubber band..so difficult to get undone!

[joshstiles]

where did they get the rubber bands?

[LannaGuy]

he was not convicted and the system is weak HOWEVER if we let convicts become trial, jury and judge where to next? same philosophy as ISIS? rule of law must, and has to be, supreme

[hgma]

No Burmese links this time around.?

Some disgusting comments ...the man was accused for crying out loud and so were 2 dutch fellows (same charges) in a spate of a year, only to be released, not even aquited on trial, because a Thai......?

wanted revenge...........scapegoats? not even that..........and what happened when the story fell down...? anyone?

NOTHING......NO compensation, NO rectification,NO Thai arrests....just life in T.I.T as usual.

[farcanell]

he was not convicted and the system is weak HOWEVER if we let convicts become trial, jury and judge where to next? same philosophy as ISIS? rule of law must, and has to be, supreme

"Rule of law must, and has to be, supreme"

Oh for a perfect world... But is this a correct statement? I will assume ( please correct me if this is wrong) that herein the issue is mob rule

Firstly, we have the law... That must be fair, or the rest fails by proxy. So who decides on what the law and penalty must be?

We expats generally come from an ochlocracy. which is a ruling by the general populace ( democracy)... Or, also described" rule of government by mob or mass of people".... So we really come from a society ruled by a mob

That means the people decide on laws and penalties

I believe that this accused rapist was murdered ( not killed or executed... Murdered) by a mob

Next we have the system to uphold the law... It must be robust and accountable with adequate transparent oversight.... Does that sound like Thailand?

That aside... Google tells me that nonthanburi prison is a central prison for convicted felons serving 15 years or more.... So no way in hell should the accused have ended up at that prison... Ergo the system is faulty

But... As Thailand strives to improve itself ( it's not just the penal system that needs reform) we can only hope that they work toward that utopian ideal that the rule of law must be supreme..... Remembering that (IMHO) no other country can claim to have achieved the same.

In fact.... It could be argued that tyranny is as close an example of the rule of law being supreme, as you will find

[Bluespunk]

What goes around comes around.

I would have tied him to an ants nest first and then beaten him to death.

I hope you are never "accused" of a crime if that's the case.

Exactly...I have had 2 Thai gf tell me that if I broke up with them they would call the police and accuse me of rape...I realize the alleged victim here is an adolescent, but it isn't far fetched to imagine parents compelling their daughter to accuse someone for payment...after all, how many parents happily send their compliant daughters to the bar to pay for a new motorbike or car?

2 eh? 2 different women...still with your apparent attitude displayed to the sexual exploitation of underage [that is children] girls maybe not such a surprise.

Edited January 9, 2016 by Bluespunk

[LannaGuy]

he was not convicted and the system is weak HOWEVER if we let convicts become trial, jury and judge where to next? same philosophy as ISIS? rule of law must, and has to be, supreme

"Rule of law must, and has to be, supreme"

Oh for a perfect world... But is this a correct statement? I will assume ( please correct me if this is wrong) that herein the issue is mob rule

Firstly, we have the law... That must be fair, or the rest fails by proxy. So who decides on what the law and penalty must be?

We expats generally come from an ochlocracy. which is a ruling by the general populace ( democracy)... Or, also described" rule of government by mob or mass of people".... So we really come from a society ruled by a mob

That means the people decide on laws and penalties

I believe that this accused rapist was murdered ( not killed or executed... Murdered) by a mob

Next we have the system to uphold the law... It must be robust and accountable with adequate transparent oversight.... Does that sound like Thailand?

That aside... Google tells me that nonthanburi prison is a central prison for convicted felons serving 15 years or more.... So no way in hell should the accused have ended up at that prison... Ergo the system is faulty

But... As Thailand strives to improve itself ( it's not just the penal system that needs reform) we can only hope that they work toward that utopian ideal that the rule of law must be supreme..... Remembering that (IMHO) no other country can claim to have achieved the same.

In fact.... It could be argued that tyranny is as close an example of the rule of law being supreme, as you will find

well it's a goal

[farcanell]

he was not convicted and the system is weak HOWEVER if we let convicts become trial, jury and judge where to next? same philosophy as ISIS? rule of law must, and has to be, supreme

"Rule of law must, and has to be, supreme"

Oh for a perfect world... But is this a correct statement? I will assume ( please correct me if this is wrong) that herein the issue is mob rule

Firstly, we have the law... That must be fair, or the rest fails by proxy. So who decides on what the law and penalty must be?

We expats generally come from an ochlocracy. which is a ruling by the general populace ( democracy)... Or, also described" rule of government by mob or mass of people".... So we really come from a society ruled by a mob

That means the people decide on laws and penalties

I believe that this accused rapist was murdered ( not killed or executed... Murdered) by a mob

Next we have the system to uphold the law... It must be robust and accountable with adequate transparent oversight.... Does that sound like Thailand?

That aside... Google tells me that nonthanburi prison is a central prison for convicted felons serving 15 years or more.... So no way in hell should the accused have ended up at that prison... Ergo the system is faulty

But... As Thailand strives to improve itself ( it's not just the penal system that needs reform) we can only hope that they work toward that utopian ideal that the rule of law must be supreme..... Remembering that (IMHO) no other country can claim to have achieved the same.

In fact.... It could be argued that tyranny is as close an example of the rule of law being supreme, as you will find

well it's a goal

A noble goal... And let all good citizens ( and sinners) strive toward it

[hansnl]

Suspected!

Which means not found guilty.

Hopefully, all those "kill him" figures will never get suspected and murdered by criminals who think they stand on top of the inmate hierarchy.

You might be innocent.

[Gonsalviz]

Justice from the prison.