Will self driving cars ever take off in Thailand?

[mogandave]

I'm a tech guy. I realize its much more complicated to create a fully self driving car than an airplane. But judging from the huge steps forward the developers have done in the last couple of years, I believe we will have fully autonomous car within the next few years.

To accomplish such a car to drive in Thailand is not impossible. It's just to record human behavior - while at the same time record sensor data, analyze it, and implement algorithms that follow the same patterns as the human would do.

You concede that driverless aircraft is much simpler than driverless cars, and there is still no such thing as driverless aircraft. is still no such thing as a driverless airplane.

It is really no more difficult to develop a driverless car in Thailand than it it would be in the US or anywhere.

[Jingthing]

Google ain't kidding around.

According to this they're about 95 percent done for fully driver-less cars.

But the last 5 percent is VERY HARD.

The prediction in the article is UNDER FIVE YEARS to get that last 5 percent done for U.S.A conditions anyway.

When I share my pessimism with Chris Urmson, he says I’m mistaken. What I have observed in Castle and Mountain View, he tells me, is a function of Google’s obsessive need for safety during a period of testing. Its caution comes because constantly probing for weaknesses and exposing them while avoiding risks will bring the cars closer to the moment that the general public can leave the driving to Google. -not-drive-6dbea84b9c45#.j3e2l21qh

Edited January 14, 2016 by seedy
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[mogandave]

Google ain't kidding around.

According to this they're about 95 percent done for fully driver-less cars.

But the last 5 percent is VERY HARD.

The prediction in the article is UNDER FIVE YEARS to get that last 5 percent done for U.S.A conditions anyway.

https://medium.com/backchannel/license-to-not-drive-6dbea84b9c45#.j3e2l21qh

Yeah, they have the car, that's 95%, making it driverless is the hard part...

Edited January 14, 2016 by seedy
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[Jingthing]

That's a gross distortion of the truth. Nice try though. If you've got a Luddite agenda about this, that's cool, but this is coming. Maybe not in Thailand though. That's the question.

[mogandave]

That's a gross distortion of the truth. Nice try though. If you've got a Luddite agenda about this, that's cool, but this is coming. Maybe not in Thailand though. That's the question.

There is no significant difference between making it work in Thailand and making it work in the United States.

[IMHO]

Google ain't kidding around.

According to this they're about 95 percent done for fully driver-less cars.

But the last 5 percent is VERY HARD.

The prediction in the article is UNDER FIVE YEARS to get that last 5 percent done for U.S.A conditions anyway.

When I share my pessimism with Chris Urmson, he says I’m mistaken. What I have observed in Castle and Mountain View, he tells me, is a function of Google’s obsessive need for safety during a period of testing. Its caution comes because constantly probing for weaknesses and exposing them while avoiding risks will bring the cars closer to the moment that the general public can leave the driving to Google.

https://medium.com/backchannel/license-to-not-drive-6dbea84b9c45#.j3e2l21qh

That's basically what I said at the very beginning - it's the "last mile" that's the toughest. In Thailand, under today's conditions, impossible, IMHO.

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[IMHO]

That's a gross distortion of the truth. Nice try though. If you've got a Luddite agenda about this, that's cool, but this is coming. Maybe not in Thailand though. That's the question.

There is no significant difference between making it work in Thailand and making it work in the United States.

Motorsai!

But you're right - if they can't handle Thai roads and intersections loaded with scooters that have no concept of lanes or laws, and can't keep up with traffic, there's still a whole bunch of scenarios they also can't handle in the USA and other markets.

And every single one of them is potentially life-threatening.

Edited January 14, 2016 by IMHO

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[mogandave]

That's a gross distortion of the truth. Nice try though. If you've got a Luddite agenda about this, that's cool, but this is coming. Maybe not in Thailand though. That's the question.

There is no significant difference between making it work in Thailand and making it work in the United States.

Motorsai!

But you're right - if they can't handle Thai roads and intersections loaded with scooters that have no concept of lanes or laws, and can't keep up with traffic, there's still a whole bunch of scenarios they also can't handle in the USA and other markets.

And every single one of them is potentially life-threatening.

The only difference is frequency, oh, and pronunciation...

[BKKdreaming]

One more problem will be the other drivers !

They expect the car in front of them to be "Thai" and drive like a Thai.....what happens when it follows all the rules , stops at red lights , lets pedestrians walk across the street etc ?

There will be a lot of Google cars with big dents in the back and sides

The best use is if ALL cars are self driving and can talk to each other , then all you have to worry about is the blue screen of death !

[Cook my sock]

Imagine a Thai losing face to a self driving car.

[Jingthing]

Imagine a Thai losing face to a self driving car.

Almost worth going forward with this just to see that!

[Jingthing]

One more problem will be the other drivers !

They expect the car in front of them to be "Thai" and drive like a Thai.....what happens when it follows all the rules , stops at red lights , lets pedestrians walk across the street etc ?

There will be a lot of Google cars with big dents in the back and sides

The best use is if ALL cars are self driving and can talk to each other , then all you have to worry about is the blue screen of death !

It's a very valid point, and that's really the root of the problem. These cars will be developed to an incredibly high level of avoiding causing accidents themselves. But avoiding accidents caused by other drivers is already the pattern in much more civil road environments. Another reason, I'm asking the question in this thread. Will this come here (other than as a demo show) in the foreseeable future? I don't know.

[mogandave]

Why do you think it would be significantly more difficult to develop it in Thailand than in the US?

[Jingthing]

Why do you think it would be significantly more difficult to develop it in Thailand than in the US?

Because things are massively more unruly here.

[Jingthing]

Why do you think it would be significantly more difficult to develop it in Thailand than in the US?

Cos nufink works in LOS.......

Drivers here act like they're driving boats, innit?

[Dumbastheycome]

Has th small problem of self parking cars been solved? Can they "unpark" now?

[Jingthing]

Has th small problem of self parking cars been solved? Can they "unpark" now?

Good question but I doubt that's the most serious challenge even in the U.S.

[mogandave]

Why do you think it would be significantly more difficult to develop it in Thailand than in the US?

Because things are massively more unruly here.

There is almost nothing that happens on Thailand's roads that do no occasionally happen on US roads.

What have said that gives you grounds to call me a Luddite? I am all for the technology and stand to benefit greatly from it. I just don't see it working in the next few years anywhere.

We'll see it working in communist countries long before we will see it in the United States.

[Jingthing]

I didn't actually call you a Luddite. The way we word things matters.

[JaseTheBass]

That's a gross distortion of the truth. Nice try though. If you've got a Luddite agenda about this, that's cool, but this is coming. Maybe not in Thailand though. That's the question.

There is no significant difference between making it work in Thailand and making it work in the United States.

Motorsai!

But you're right - if they can't handle Thai roads and intersections loaded with scooters that have no concept of lanes or laws, and can't keep up with traffic, there's still a whole bunch of scenarios they also can't handle in the USA and other markets.

And every single one of them is potentially life-threatening.

Might be an opportunity to sort the idiotic mess of a road system out if cars of the not so distant future need a proper road system to function properly. If motor manufacturers insist on it, then it will happen. If not, Thailand will have to rely upon its own 'technology'. I doubt any Thais will want to regress 60 or so years.

[mogandave]

That's a gross distortion of the truth. Nice try though. If you've got a Luddite agenda about this, that's cool, but this is coming. Maybe not in Thailand though. That's the question.

There is no significant difference between making it work in Thailand and making it work in the United States.

Motorsai!

But you're right - if they can't handle Thai roads and intersections loaded with scooters that have no concept of lanes or laws, and can't keep up with traffic, there's still a whole bunch of scenarios they also can't handle in the USA and other markets.

And every single one of them is potentially life-threatening.

Might be an opportunity to sort the idiotic mess of a road system out if cars of the not so distant future need a proper road system to function properly. If motor manufacturers insist on it, then it will happen. If not, Thailand will have to rely upon its own 'technology'. I doubt any Thais will want to regress 60 or so years.

What is wrong with the road systems?

[BKKdreaming]

ok.......what happens when the self driver has so many inputs that the computer says it cannot go anywhere safe and if just sits in the middle of the road ?

I do believe they will be a normal thing in 10 years , but only on some roads that have sensors in the road , the their is feedback from the other self drivers on what is around the bend.....

I really do not want to have "it" driving me at 50 mph on a twisty road and a deer jumps out......

[mogandave]

ok.......what happens when the self driver has so many inputs that the computer says it cannot go anywhere safe and if just sits in the middle of the road ?

I do believe they will be a normal thing in 10 years , but only on some roads that have sensors in the road , the their is feedback from the other self drivers on what is around the bend.....

I really do not want to have "it" driving me at 50 mph on a twisty road and a deer jumps out......

Or a big dog followed by a small child, which one do we hit?

[JaseTheBass]

What is wrong with the road systems?

You're joking, right?

[seedy]

Troll / Flaming post removed. As should the bickering. Agree to Disagree and move on

[mogandave]

What is wrong with the road systems?

You're joking, right?

No, I'm not joking. While I have driven on better, I have certainly driven on worse.

I think that idea that a self-driving car that will work safely in the US will not work in Thailand (or wherever you think the roads are so much better than in Thailand) is ridiculous.

What might a self-driving car encounter on a Thai road that it would have to be prepared to encounter on a US road?

[IMHO]

ok.......what happens when the self driver has so many inputs that the computer says it cannot go anywhere safe and if just sits in the middle of the road ?

I do believe they will be a normal thing in 10 years , but only on some roads that have sensors in the road , the their is feedback from the other self drivers on what is around the bend.....

I really do not want to have "it" driving me at 50 mph on a twisty road and a deer jumps out......

Or a big dog followed by a small child, which one do we hit?

Well of course, what it does it stop. Just stop. Everywhere and all the time. Traffic jams for no reason, other than the car doesn't know what to do.

I can't wait!

I also can't wait for "Star in a reasonably priced driverless car"

Edited January 16, 2016 by IMHO

[JaseTheBass]

What is wrong with the road systems?

You're joking, right?

No, I'm not joking. While I have driven on better, I have certainly driven on worse.

I think that idea that a self-driving car that will work safely in the US will not work in Thailand (or wherever you think the roads are so much better than in Thailand) is ridiculous.

What might a self-driving car encounter on a Thai road that it would have to be prepared to encounter on a US road?

U-turns on major highways, road markings that make no sense or just lead vehicles into no man's land, no right of way, random ways to mark junctions, police changing traffic lights to deliberately generate fines and random fiddling with one-way systems and other nonsense immediately spring to mind.

[mogandave]

ok.......what happens when the self driver has so many inputs that the computer says it cannot go anywhere safe and if just sits in the middle of the road ?

I do believe they will be a normal thing in 10 years , but only on some roads that have sensors in the road , the their is feedback from the other self drivers on what is around the bend.....

I really do not want to have "it" driving me at 50 mph on a twisty road and a deer jumps out......

Or a big dog followed by a small child, which one do we hit?

Well of course, what it does it stop. Just stop. Everywhere and all the time. Traffic jams for no reason, other than the car doesn't know what to do.

I can't wait!

I also can't wait for "Star in a reasonably priced driverless car"

Makes me want to be a kid again throwing water balloons off freeway overpasses...

Because the cars will all be linked and communicating with each other, all the stars (or party leaders) will have VIP chips that will clear traffic for them.

Think about how great it would be for the police to be able to override the controls during car chases, or for the government to implement curfews in emergencies.