flyDelight Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) 'The third major problem in Thailand is the growing number of Westerners, or Thais influenced by Westerners' Comfort zone 2.0 http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opinion/Western-controlling-mindset-is-spreading-like-canc-30276702.html Edited January 12, 2016 by flyDelight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manarak Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 you must admit, John Arnone does make some good points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mesquite Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Sounds like he wants to beat the crap out of his wife and get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaeJoMTB Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 you must admit, John Arnone does make some good points. He's right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovelomsak Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I agree with him westerners are a problem.They come here want the same things as back home but cheaper. People should look for places that have what they want and go there. Not go somewhere and expect the country to change to their needs. I have watched Thailands culture and everyday lifestyle suffer because of change brought by selfish ,unknowledgeable foreigners coming here and wanting change.But of course the rest of the world suffers the same problem through immigration.Look at what is happening in Europe,America,etc.Foriegners come and so do problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob13 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Silly article,crappily written. I hope John Arnonne is an ESL student and not a native speaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttthailand Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Those terrible westerners trying to stop the noise blasting at 3:00am every night on the beach, and complaining about the garbage everywhere, and making a fuss about the jet ski scammers and their police buddies, and worrying about those terrible Thai drivers running red lights and their noisy bikes racing up the road... Etc etc .... This is all part of Thai culture and if you can't fit in and learn to be more Thai go home !!! Is this what he means ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverSure Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 He does make good points. I hate a nanny state and I love freedom. Freedom comes with risks, or as we say "freedom isn't free". So many Westerners have been brainwashed into giving up their freedom for what they falsely perceive as safety that it's sickening. I don't want to be "safe" under the fist of a government when it costs me my freedom. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dageurreotype Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Silly article,crappily written. I hope John Arnonne is an ESL student and not a native speaker. No he was some right wing pundit continually beating his Colonel Blimp drum in one of the National English speaking papers (don't remember which). Horrible little man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuestHouse Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 John Arnonne should spend some time working with the victims of domestic violence. He might then understand that protecting people against violent abuse is not a cancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaeJoMTB Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 John Arnonne should spend some time working with the victims of domestic violence. He might then understand that protecting people against violent abuse is not a cancer. You should spend some time working with men who lost their homes and children because of false accusations of domestic violence. Then you might understand why some men no longer care about such foolishness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 The OP tells readers that farangs or farang-influenced Thais, who then want to introduce laws to control people, are a major social problem. He is thus himself a farang, telling Thais & farangs that they're causing trouble, just the sort of person his article warns against ! Perhaps there should be a law against people like him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyDelight Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 Silly article,crappily written. I hope John Arnonne is an ESL student and not a native speaker. A smartass weirdo on mushrooms/LSD or suffering Alzheimer. He makes a polarized caricature of Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) ah sh*t looks like its all our fault eh............what military dictatorship?? articles hilarious "freedom" hahahahahahahahh Edited January 13, 2016 by kannot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogeroc Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 John Arnonne should spend some time working with the victims of domestic violence. He might then understand that protecting people against violent abuse is not a cancer. As he said though there are laws in Thailand against domestic violence. You have also twisted the words of the author. If you are from the West do you have a remit to be involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dageurreotype Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 John Arnonne should spend some time working with the victims of domestic violence. He might then understand that protecting people against violent abuse is not a cancer. As he said though there are laws in Thailand against domestic violence. You have also twisted the words of the author. If you are from the West do you have a remit to be involved? There are 'laws' just about every damn thing here in Lilliput. Unfortunately, very rarely enforced unless for pecuniary advantage/Nationalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manarak Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 There are 'laws' just about every damn thing here in Lilliput. Unfortunately, very rarely enforced unless for pecuniary advantage/Nationalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionsreplies Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 In my idea the problem is Thai... Too many of them here ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talberry2 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 The only problem with Thai laws is--they are subject to change at any moment and dependent on your attitude check (when at a government establishment). Don't make the mistake of thinking western methods of assertiveness are going to work for you in Thailand. They won't. If anything, they will dig you a bit deeper into that hole that is pissing you off in the first place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johna Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Marriage Mr John Arnone does not give you the right to abuse your wife, this was a problem in western society until quite recently, but fortunately a zero tolerance policy has reduced these abuses in the western world. Why you should thing that this is a problem best left to the parties involved is idiotic, its like saying we should leave the problem of slavery in the hands of the slave owners. I see no evidence that there is a powerful falang lobby calling for changes to Thai law, perhaps Mr Arnone needs a session of attitude adjustment to understand the reality of Thai society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlock Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 In my formerly sabai sabai condo a small group of owners are on a crusade to enforce every possible rule in the books, as is their right. But it certainly feels like they are taking some of the "thainess" out of the joint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Thailand has three major problems. Scamming on tourists, skimming off government, and too many westerners with demands? Really, this is an adult journalists conception of Thailand's major woes. Too bad he missed the one that would help out with all three of those. A police department and a judiciary that sees crime as a problem rather than an opportunity. Yes there are sufficient laws on the books, but you would never know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 I have never seen Thais listening to Westerners.. all things that change come from Thais themselves.. not from Western influences we have zero influence here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogeroc Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Agreed and why should Westerners have influence? And since when has domestic violence just been about men on women, it is about 50 / 50 in the West now i believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Of all the things to complain about loss of freedom in; the loss of freedom to abuse people in your home is a very strange choice to top the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfarang Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 I don`t think Farlangs living in Thailand have a lot of influence on the Thai people, even if they think they do. The Thais have us firmly under control. The Farlangs that do decide to live here expect Thailand to be like a home from home with the same principles and service levels but at vastly cheaper rates believing they can bend the rules to suit them by paying money or knowing the right people. They are pig headed whereas in the their own countries would be living on basic pensions or just ordinary working class then think they are the elite when they arrive in Thailand because their money goes further and are of a higher cast then the average working class Thais. All they do once here is complain about the system and flatly refuse to step into the Thai world. These Farlangs even have low tolerance levels for each other considering themselves to be more upmarket and superior compared to other expats. The older ones seem to be the worse believing that the world owes them respect and certain privileges above everyone else. Too many of these types in Thailand now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Hill Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 I have never seen Thais listening to Westerners.. all things that change come from Thais themselves.. not from Western influences we have zero influence here. Just the way it ought to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuestHouse Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Agreed and why should Westerners have influence? And since when has domestic violence just been about men on women, it is about 50 / 50 in the West now i believe. The question to ask about the domestic violence issue is, if John Arnonne really believes that westerners are influencing Thai society, why does he believe that western influences over issues surrounding domestic violence are worth mentioning. Does he understand the issues around domestic violence in Thailand? Does he have any understanding of how those issues have changed over the past few years? Does he know with any certainty that the changes have been brought about by western influence? Does he know for sure if the changes are improvements or regressive? We can repeat these questions for car accidents, drink driving.... the list goes on. How does he equate Thai people deciding to do something to improve these issues, Thai society working towards reducing the number of people killed in road accidents, or numbers of women and children being violently abused as a cancer? John Arnonne comes across as a twisted misanthrope, concerned more with taxes than attempts to improve society. It is not a matter of why Thai people might adopt western standards or why westerners influence Thai people and Thai society in these matters. Ask why John Arnonne, and a few other westerners, are so opposed to Thai people trying to improve their own society? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuestHouse Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 I have never seen Thais listening to Westerners.. all things that change come from Thais themselves.. not from Western influences we have zero influence here. Just the way it ought to be If that were true, why then is it that John Arnonne and others are so concerned over western influence? Thai society is changing, westerners in Thailand are part of that change and are influence part of that change. John Arnonne and those who support his point of view are playing the part of <deleted> (I assure you I have spelled that correctly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 In my idea the problem is Thai... Too many of them here ;-) I can understand that you don't like to be around the Thais. But the fact that you chose to live in the only place on the planet where there are predominately Thais can only mean that you're either a masochist or the stupidest man alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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