Germany plans tougher asylum rules for Algerians and Moroccans

[webfact]

Germany plans tougher asylum rules for Algerians and Moroccans



BERLIN: -- German lawmakers are pushing for tougher rules for asylum seekers from Morocco and Algeria, with plans to set up one-stop reception and deportation centres from which they could be quickly expelled from the country.

Berlin now plans to add Algeria and Morocco to a list of so-called “safe countries” from where migrants are unlikely to be granted asylum. However critics have complained about the arbitrary arrest and prosecution in Algeria of political and trade union activists and of Morocco’s harsh policing methods in the Western Sahara.

The move comes as the government is being criticised for its open-door refugee policy after hundreds of women were robbed and sexually assaulted on New Year’s Eve in Cologne.

The assaults were allegedly carried out by what was described as Arab and North African men. On Saturday, police in Dusseldorf conducted a major operation against North African gangs suspected of robbery and drug dealing. Forty people were arrested.

The change in attitude has been criticised by Human Rights organisations:

“And we don’t want now because of what happened in Paris and what happened in Cologne suddenly to link refugees who are fleeing terrorism, to be linked up then with some kind of security threat,” said William Lacy Swing, Director of International Organisation for Migration.

The number of Algerian asylum seekers arriving in Germany rose to 2,296 in December from 847 in June, while those from Morocco jumped to 2,896 from 368, according to the interior ministry.

Germany has said it wants to free up resources to help people fleeing war-ravaged countries such as Syria, with Syrians making up about 40% of the nearly 1.1 million people who arrived last year.


-- (c) Copyright Euronews 2016-01-18

[oneday]

"...The change in attitude has been criticized by Human Rights organizations..."

In this instance, the Human Rights organizations CAN GO SUCK AN EGG!

[Doc46]

Isn't it a bit late?Shouldn't have let them in in the first place.

[Scott]

I am not too familiar with the specifics in these two countries, but in general, a person has to face persecution, which is reasonably well defined. Many people, in many countries face discrimination. Discrimination is not persecution.

[ggt]

Whaaat? That is known as targeting...selecting specific people for special asylum rules...

The liberal "politically correct" crowd would be marching on Washington if someone remotely suggested such an idea in the US...

Extraordinary times...require extraordinary rules and requirements..."political correctness" is either dead of dying...even in the US...Thank You Buddha!...

[Saradoc1972]

I am not too familiar with the specifics in these two countries, but in general, a person has to face persecution, which is reasonably well defined. Many people, in many countries face discrimination. Discrimination is not persecution.

True enough, but at least Germany is so far displaying a nicety level with regard to maybe not granting asylum in the strict sense but "subsidiary protection" to an extend that discrimination like the Roma in SE Europe experience is enough to let them stay. By virtue of which Germany has become a magnet for them; somehow making it to Germany over Europe's open borders is more or less enough to receive all the blessings of the German social system forever after, if you play your cards right.

The Gypsies are the reason why 0,8% of all Kosovar, Albanian, Serb, and Macedonian "asylum-seekers" actually get some sort of right to stay, when all of those countries have by now been declared safe (as opposed to Turkey).

So, referring to the post just above, no, it's not targeting; It's making fair distinctions for real differences and merits of the case. A score of countries have been declared safe with the effect that procedures to deny any sort of asylum are much simplified. Doesn't seem to help getting them out of the country, they just vanish or plead illness not adequately treatable at home, or split their family so deportation won't be carried through with because little Muhammad has suddenly gone missing.

There is no persecution in Morocco, Algeria, or Tunis. Period. You don't want to get on the wrong side of the law and regime there being an Islamist, but that is it. Well, I suppose you could find a handful persecuted individuals, but nothing to justify allowing half the populace in to check that out. And their prisons are not that nice, and stabbing the local police to avoid capture is not that much an option down there. Bang bang.

Those guy coming here are simply illegal economic migrants seeking a better life, i.e. are motivated, maybe have some education, maybe some relatives here, and want to work. That is the best case. There have been reports of videos on the web where "Nafris", as German police call them, are practicing a Syrian Arab accent and learn to sing the Syrian national anthem. Well, I suppose that scholarly approach can't be pursued by the majority of them, can hardly read and write. I'd let that slip as "survival of the fittest" if they weren't taking up resources needed for the real refugees.

The usual clientele are 18-20 y-o, have been living on the streets already in their home-countries, nowhere to go, nothing to lose. So they take out a loan with some criminals, go over the Meds or more recently buy a cheap air-ticket into Turkey where they can enter without visa for 90 days, then mingle with the swarm of possibly legitimate refugees, throw away their papers once in Europe, and claim to be 15-y-o with a beard-growth disorder. Can't chuck out supposed minors, that is evil and inhumane. Even if it means you'll be paying each a social worker and lodging to the tune of 6-8k € a month.

As per German press, who recently have turned evil racists so they will now actually report on the matter, most start a criminal career right away as they know they will "only" have a couple of years in Germany or Europe and the rich pickings there. Or need money for drugs, or have to pay their smugglers, or send money home. The latter is the reason why those rogue states are so reluctant to facilitate their repatriation, it's a major economic factor for them. So it's pick-pocketing/robbery, drug-peddling and burglary from day one. Not much risk, police won't shoot them, criminal system is geared towards people who have something to lose, and prisons are more like youth hostels to them.

Edited January 18, 2016 by Saradoc1972

[simple1]

@Saradoc1972: thanks for your post above - a good insight into the problems facing Germany, rather than generalised commentary purely based upon bigotry

[manarak]

@Saradoc1972: thanks for your post above - a good insight into the problems facing Germany, rather than generalised commentary purely based upon bigotry

yes, good post.

Algerians, Moroccans and Tunisians simply have nothing to do in Germany.

[norfolkandchance]

I wish I lived in Germany

[Saradoc1972]

I wish I lived in Germany

That would very likely be much easier for you to accomplish than me trying to go to Australia/NZ/Canada or the US.

And I locked it up just in case things won't be so pretty in Germany in, say, 10 years from now.

Well, I suppose there is Éire, they speak sorta English.

[Saradoc1972]

This is a translation of a Spiegel Magazine news-clip from 16.07.1964 (not a typo: Nineteen Sixty-four) here (in German)

The Brown Flood

Parisian girls have been put off going for a swim. Wherever a single Bikini is seen swimming it will soon be surrounded and accosted by brownish swimmers. Ten, twenty Algerian hands will tear at the straps of the bathing costume and bereave its wearer of anything textile.

Especially on weekends jumped-up North-Africans dominate the Parisian basins, the rather feudal bath Deligny just like the suburb basin of Puteaux. Result: there are no girls bathing on these days, their male companionship will abstain as well. Robust pool attendants daring to step in will be assailed by hostile hordes when leaving work.

After having been routed by the Algerians from Algeria, Frenchmen now find themselves pushed from the pools of their capital as well. Little chance of that getting remedied. Day for day, 600 Algerians leave the country of Ben Bellas, plagued by joblessness and inflation, to win their bread working for their former colonial masters.

The dried-up French labour market easily absorbed thousands, but the flood rose steadily: 1956 there were 300,000 Algerians in France, start of 1964 it were 600,000. Today, 30,000 are jobless and live of French welfare. 13,000 beds in French hospitals are occupied by Algerians.

Parisian police soon were faced with the task to handle a colony of 200,000 Algerians, who while nominally constituting only 3 percent of the capital’s inhabitants, were responsible for

- 32 percent of all murders

- 39 percent of all car thefts

- 58 percent of all thefts involving a gun

[snip… half the article deals with health authorities and what diseases were suddenly being carried into France and how they shunned being seen to discriminate against anyone, rendering most measures ineffective]

The brown will go on frolicking in the capital’s pools to get a grip on girls bathing there. The unaccustomed view on skimpy bikinis allows for a glimpse at joys otherwise hard to find for them: There are only 40,000 women among the 600,000 French-Algerians.

It's really astounding how the same problem was already there more than 50 years ago. And what language you could use back then, and how you could actually call a problem a problem.

And with a view to how splendidly immigration from these parts of the world turned out for France in their banlieus, what makes us think it we can make it work for us today?

To my mind, asylum is one thing, immigration another. There should be a policy for both, and they should not be conflated, as Merkel does it.

Edited January 19, 2016 by Saradoc1972

[jope]

This is a translation of a Spiegel Magazine news-clip from 16.07.1964 (not a typo: Nineteen Sixty-four) here (in German)

The Brown Flood

Parisian girls have been put off going for a swim. Wherever a single Bikini is seen swimming it will soon be surrounded and accosted by brownish swimmers. Ten, twenty Algerian hands will tear at the straps of the bathing costume and bereave its wearer of anything textile.

Especially on weekends jumped-up North-Africans dominate the Parisian basins, the rather feudal bath Deligny just like the suburb basin of Puteaux. Result: there are no girls bathing on these days, their male companionship will abstain as well. Robust pool attendants daring to step in will be assailed by hostile hordes when leaving work.

After having been routed by the Algerians from Algeria, Frenchmen now find themselves pushed from the pools of their capital as well. Little chance of that getting remedied. Day for day, 600 Algerians leave the country of Ben Bellas, plagued by joblessness and inflation, to win their bread working for their former colonial masters.

The dried-up French labour market easily absorbed thousands, but the flood rose steadily: 1956 there were 300,000 Algerians in France, start of 1964 it were 600,000. Today, 30,000 are jobless and live of French welfare. 13,000 beds in French hospitals are occupied by Algerians.

Parisian police soon were faced with the task to handle a colony of 200,000 Algerians, who while nominally constituting only 3 percent of the capital’s inhabitants, were responsible for

- 32 percent of all murders

- 39 percent of all car thefts

- 58 percent of all thefts involving a gun

[snip… half the article deals with health authorities and what diseases were suddenly being carried into France and how they shunned being seen to discriminate against anyone, rendering most measures ineffective]

The brown will go on frolicking in the capital’s pools to get a grip on girls bathing there. The unaccustomed view on skimpy bikinis allows for a glimpse at joys otherwise hard to find for them: There are only 40,000 women among the 600,000 French-Algerians.

It's really astounding how the same problem was already there more than 50 years ago. And what language you could use back then, and how you could actually call a problem a problem.

And with a view to how splendidly immigration from these parts of the world turned out for France in their banlieus, what makes us think it we can make it work for us today?

To my mind, asylum is one thing, immigration another. There should be a policy for both, and they should not be conflated, as Merkel does it.

I found that surprising, too. From the very first moment politicians spoke about immigration and integration while at the same time calling people refugees and asylum seekers. If they are refugees or asylum seekers, they are supposed to leave, once the situation in their home country has sufficiently increased. In that moment the reason for their stay is simply gone. And a respective immigration law could clarify, which qualifications applicants must fulfill to stay.

BTW, liked the "survival of the fittest"-notion.