Evidence from UK's National Crime Agency 'critical' in sentencing Koh Tao killers to death

[DM07]

"I have seen reports claiming that David was killed with the hoe or a blunt metal instrument - at no point has the use of a weaponised shark ring been mentioned as a possible cause of his death"

Very slowly, for the mentally slow among us: no one says, that the shark ring is "the possible cause of death"!

What we are saying is, that obviously David was attacked by someone with another weapon than the hoe!

His multiple wounds don't match an attack with a hoe!

Why is this important?

Because if he was attacked by someone with a different weapon and fought that someone off, that means a few different things:

a) the theory, that he was attacked from behind, while having sex with Hannah and got struck over the head with said hoe, is blown out of the water!

b ) if he fought back and got stabbed with a shorter, sharper object...who was he attacked by? Surely not the B2, because they were (your theory, not mine!) so stupid, that they threw incriminating evidence into their backyard! Surely the short, sharp object, they used to attack David, must be found somewhere in their possession (or somewhere behind their lair of evil!).

c) No, David did not receive his injuries from a whine bottle, since there are no pieces of glass to be found near or at the crime scene!

So: let's assume David WAS attacked and injured with a sharp, small object (like a sharktooth- ring or a pushknife)- wouldn't it be interesting, by WHO he was attacked with that?

I mean obviously, he was in a fight that gave him several wounds all over his body...but we should let that go and just focus on the weapon that may or may not have delivered the fatal blow, because.....?!

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[DiscoDan]

greenchair, on 23 Feb 2016 - 06:44, said:greenchair, on 23 Feb 2016 - 06:44, said:

jayjay78, on 23 Feb 2016 - 06:03, said:jayjay78, on 23 Feb 2016 - 06:03, said:

greenchair, on 23 Feb 2016 - 05:56, said:greenchair, on 23 Feb 2016 - 05:56, said:

Mr Jimmy, the reason the investigation took a swift turn had absolutely nothing to do with the change of guard.

In the beginning, the police were pulling in anybody and everybody that they had a smidgeon of a lead on. That lead came from Sean, who implicated mon in a very public tv interview. This forced the police to follow up mon and his lot. At the time the police had not finished looking at all video footage and had not aprehended the burmese. After looking at footage and investigating, they came up with a group of burmese. One of those was Wei Phyo, when he confessed, he also directed them to the phone behind his bungalow. Many things fell into place at that time , and that is why the focus of the investigation changed. It is purely coincidence, the change of guard happened at that time. Similar to there were many top police removed from their positions at the time, tv posters all thought it was to do with Koh Tao when in fact, it was to do with the high ranking officer that had all the antique. Another reason was the politics of the time had many top officials from every agency being transferred. Absolutely nothing to do with the Koh Tao murders.

Of course you could be wrong as round about the same time there were reports of Thai's being caught attempting to destroy evidence and give misleading information to the police. Why would local Thai's attempt to destroy evidence that links them to the attacks? No need to reply to that

That's just a hearsay fairytale. Like the hearsay the defense tried to slide this case by on. This is a chat forum , so you had the right to reply to my post, I shall take the liberty to reply to you. As far as I'm concerned, the only ones I need to listen to is the b2 of the events of their night. It did not pass the smell test.

Everything the prosecution brought forth, was corroborated by the b2. The b2 have more knowledge about this case. You should investigate their testimony.

Most likely the B2 (plus Maung Maung) lied about everything that went on that night because they had to do as they were told - and not by the defence team. They couldn't afford to implicate the REAL perpetrators. If they had done, they would be dead already.

Yeah I am sure your right,

ZL : Don't tell anyone what happened that night or we will be killed

WP: Ok if we don't tell anyone what happened we will be ok right ?

ZL :No we will get the death penalty.

WP: OK best not telling anyone then.

ZL: And because we & our families might be in danger I will organize for our Mums to come to the islands.

Yep makes perfect sense.

[IslandLover]

lucky11, on 24 Feb 2016 - 03:33, said:

smedly, on 24 Feb 2016 - 02:01, said:

IslandLover, on 24 Feb 2016 - 01:45, said:

lucky11, on 23 Feb 2016 - 16:20, said:lucky11, on 23 Feb 2016 - 16:20, said:

This does seem to rule out a push knife as I doubt that they used the handle of the knife to bludgeon him with when there is a blade on the other end - see I was right to discount your theory IL and go with people who know how to do autopsies!! You must be disappointed that your theory is equally stupid as the weaponised shark tooth ring, but that's the way these things go sometimes. Any other objects take your fancy? and please come up with something better next time.

I never said all of David's wounds were caused by a push knife or weaponized ring. Some of those wounds were not caused by the hoe and were more consistent with small knife wounds, otherwise his head and face would have ended up looking like Hannah's if he had been beaten with the blade of the hoe. The RTP themselves suspected there was another weapon used on David but it was never found. They even sent police divers into the sea looking for it (plenty of photos out there in media reports from the beginning of the investigation).

I agree, what is also a puzzle is why Hannah was beaten to a pulp with the hoe and David was drowned, a profiler would have a field day with that one, Hannah was almost certainly the victim of serious retribution, what they did to her was more than just killing her for silence

He wasn't drowned - he drowned!!

He didn't drown either, according to the Jersey Coroner's inquest yesterday.

[DiscoDan]

Actually David was killed through head injuries as reported by the Jersey Coroner yesterday: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-jersey-35639768

The coroner gave a narrative as expected but we need to wait for more reports of the nature of that apart from just the verdict.

A British student murdered in Thailand died from severe head injuries, a coroner has concluded.

Funny not a single mention of weaponized shark tooth ring or push knife. another conspiracy theory that has reached a dead end. bit like the story that Hannah had been shot in the head, never hear that one anymore.

[KunMatt]

KunMatt, on 23 Feb 2016 - 22:53, said:

greenchair, on 23 Feb 2016 - 22:21, said:

They have had multiple chances to tell the whole truth.

Their first confession is the closest we'll ever get. The have absolutely no remorse for what they did to that poor girl. She was alive as they brutally raped her on the beach. Then took that hoe and smashed her face in right down to the stem of the brain. Oh but but, maybe they were involved just a little bit, while "the real killers "forced them to commit such acts. When defending the human rights of these two, you might want to spare a thought for hannah.

Just the other day you said you believed that they B2 were involved with the crime but probably didn't even handle the murder weapon as they were likely just accomplices to some other people. Now you gone back to a completely damning opinion of them again. What's up with that?

She's flip-flopping (something politicians do a lot of) - or should that be "jandalling"?

More likely is that it's not the same person using the GC account as it was the other day. Different styles, tone and more importantly a completely different opinion. I think most people here know which are the sock puppet accounts just being used for a purpose.

[smedly]

greenchair, on 23 Feb 2016 - 06:44, said:greenchair, on 23 Feb 2016 - 06:44, said:

jayjay78, on 23 Feb 2016 - 06:03, said:jayjay78, on 23 Feb 2016 - 06:03, said:

Of course you could be wrong as round about the same time there were reports of Thai's being caught attempting to destroy evidence and give misleading information to the police. Why would local Thai's attempt to destroy evidence that links them to the attacks? No need to reply to that

That's just a hearsay fairytale. Like the hearsay the defense tried to slide this case by on. This is a chat forum , so you had the right to reply to my post, I shall take the liberty to reply to you. As far as I'm concerned, the only ones I need to listen to is the b2 of the events of their night. It did not pass the smell test.

Everything the prosecution brought forth, was corroborated by the b2. The b2 have more knowledge about this case. You should investigate their testimony.

Most likely the B2 (plus Maung Maung) lied about everything that went on that night because they had to do as they were told - and not by the defence team. They couldn't afford to implicate the REAL perpetrators. If they had done, they would be dead already.

Yeah I am sure your right,

ZL : Don't tell anyone what happened that night or we will be killed

WP: Ok if we don't tell anyone what happened we will be ok right ?

ZL :No we will get the death penalty.

WP: OK best not telling anyone then.

ZL: And because we & our families might be in danger I will organize for our Mums to come to the islands.

Yep makes perfect sense.

actually the scenario would be something like this

- Talk and you are dead 100%, you have nowhere to run

- We will make sure you are released with a handsome payoff if you keep your mouths shut

Do not worry about the death sentence it will be reversed, you might serve a few years in jail but we will make sure you are released early with handsome payoff

[IslandLover]

DiscoDan, on 24 Feb 2016 - 04:09, said:DiscoDan, on 24 Feb 2016 - 04:09, said:

IslandLover, on 23 Feb 2016 - 18:53, said:IslandLover, on 23 Feb 2016 - 18:53, said:

greenchair, on 23 Feb 2016 - 06:44, said:greenchair, on 23 Feb 2016 - 06:44, said:greenchair, on 23 Feb 2016 - 06:44, said:greenchair, on 23 Feb 2016 - 06:44, said:

jayjay78, on 23 Feb 2016 - 06:03, said:jayjay78, on 23 Feb 2016 - 06:03, said:jayjay78, on 23 Feb 2016 - 06:03, said:jayjay78, on 23 Feb 2016 - 06:03, said:

Of course you could be wrong as round about the same time there were reports of Thai's being caught attempting to destroy evidence and give misleading information to the police. Why would local Thai's attempt to destroy evidence that links them to the attacks? No need to reply to that

That's just a hearsay fairytale. Like the hearsay the defense tried to slide this case by on. This is a chat forum , so you had the right to reply to my post, I shall take the liberty to reply to you. As far as I'm concerned, the only ones I need to listen to is the b2 of the events of their night. It did not pass the smell test.

Everything the prosecution brought forth, was corroborated by the b2. The b2 have more knowledge about this case. You should investigate their testimony.

Most likely the B2 (plus Maung Maung) lied about everything that went on that night because they had to do as they were told - and not by the defence team. They couldn't afford to implicate the REAL perpetrators. If they had done, they would be dead already.

Yeah I am sure your right,

ZL : Don't tell anyone what happened that night or we will be killed

WP: Ok if we don't tell anyone what happened we will be ok right ?

ZL :No we will get the death penalty.

WP: OK best not telling anyone then.

ZL: And because we & our families might be in danger I will organize for our Mums to come to the islands.

Yep makes perfect sense.

To you maybe, but not to me. I have my own views on why Zaw Lin and Wei Phyo have not told the complete truth, and it's not because they committed the crime.

[smedly]

lucky11, on 24 Feb 2016 - 03:33, said:

smedly, on 24 Feb 2016 - 02:01, said:

IslandLover, on 24 Feb 2016 - 01:45, said:

I never said all of David's wounds were caused by a push knife or weaponized ring. Some of those wounds were not caused by the hoe and were more consistent with small knife wounds, otherwise his head and face would have ended up looking like Hannah's if he had been beaten with the blade of the hoe. The RTP themselves suspected there was another weapon used on David but it was never found. They even sent police divers into the sea looking for it (plenty of photos out there in media reports from the beginning of the investigation).

I agree, what is also a puzzle is why Hannah was beaten to a pulp with the hoe and David was drowned, a profiler would have a field day with that one, Hannah was almost certainly the victim of serious retribution, what they did to her was more than just killing her for silence

He wasn't drowned - he drowned!!

He didn't drown either, according to the Jersey Coroner's inquest yesterday.

don't be expecting a reply any time soon

[DiscoDan]

While we've been informed as to how someone might get a speedboat from Koh Tao after a certain early morning time and then make it to the Chumphon Airport in time to board the Nok Air 7:20 AM flight to Don Muang, it has yet to be explained how one would get to the Chumphon airport terminal from the speedboat. If you look at a picture of the Chumphon Airport, the runway parallels the coast line but the terminal is on the far side of the runway from the coastline. Not easy to get from a Speedboat moored at a dock or along the coast to the terminal at that time in morning to get the flight. Are there taxis waiting for such early morning fares? Has the time for transit from the speedboat to the terminal been factored into these minute-by-minute calculations?

Have they changed it to Chumphon now ? 55555 its been Samui airport for the last year How many times does there story changed.

They have pretty much tried to blame anyone they could get a photo of on KT.

Remember the DJ with a wig ? 55555 talk about put 2+2 together and 5 (Yes we tested the hair and are now looking form some of polyester decent)

Then they posted a pic of a Thai women with blonde hair & started to try & blame her.

When the truthers refer to the B2 as midgets, adorable, puppies etc. it shows they made up there mind along time ago that these 2 were innocent and will try to make up the most ridiculous stories & muddy the waters to try & achieve there goal, not realizing they are doing more harm than good.

[jayjay78]

Actually David was killed through head injuries as reported by the Jersey Coroner yesterday: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-jersey-35639768

The coroner gave a narrative as expected but we need to wait for more reports of the nature of that apart from just the verdict.

A British student murdered in Thailand died from severe head injuries, a coroner has concluded.

Funny not a single mention of weaponized shark tooth ring or push knife. another conspiracy theory that has reached a dead end. bit like the story that Hannah had been shot in the head, never hear that one anymore.

Do you know whats even more funny, the full report has not been released only the verdict on the cause of death. Head Injuries. The lead up to the death blows was not revealed make of that what you will. I also guess it does away with your conspiracy theory that he drowned.

[DiscoDan]

For the last year the truthers ran with the story that the B2 had sat on the beach drinking & playing guitar and went of to bed at 2:00am

This changed to went home at 2:00am but popped back down the beach a couple of hours later.

This alibi coming from 2 people who were so drunk they could hardly walk or remember anything.

WP claims he went to bed woke up was worried about his shoes so went back to the beach to find them.

So drunk he can't remember anything but I bet he was sure he slept for 2 hours because the running man video has nearly and hour gap between running mans coming & going. which again puts him firmly in the frame.

[jayjay78]

For the last year the truthers ran with the story that the B2 had sat on the beach drinking & playing guitar and went of to bed at 2:00am

This changed to went home at 2:00am but popped back down the beach a couple of hours later.

This alibi coming from 2 people who were so drunk they could hardly walk or remember anything.

WP claims he went to bed woke up was worried about his shoes so went back to the beach to find them.

So drunk he can't remember anything but I bet he was sure he slept for 2 hours because the running man video has nearly and hour gap between running mans coming & going. which again puts him firmly in the frame.

Have you got that link for me yet that confirms David had a second phone, you know, the one you claim he had, only I'm still waiting.

No problem, backing up your facts with evidence is not something your very good at, I accept that

[DM07]

While we've been informed as to how someone might get a speedboat from Koh Tao after a certain early morning time and then make it to the Chumphon Airport in time to board the Nok Air 7:20 AM flight to Don Muang, it has yet to be explained how one would get to the Chumphon airport terminal from the speedboat. If you look at a picture of the Chumphon Airport, the runway parallels the coast line but the terminal is on the far side of the runway from the coastline. Not easy to get from a Speedboat moored at a dock or along the coast to the terminal at that time in morning to get the flight. Are there taxis waiting for such early morning fares? Has the time for transit from the speedboat to the terminal been factored into these minute-by-minute calculations?

Have they changed it to Chumphon now ? 55555 its been Samui airport for the last year How many times does there story changed.

They have pretty much tried to blame anyone they could get a photo of on KT.

Remember the DJ with a wig ? 55555 talk about put 2+2 together and 5 (Yes we tested the hair and are now looking form some of polyester decent)

Then they posted a pic of a Thai women with blonde hair & started to try & blame her.

When the truthers refer to the B2 as midgets, adorable, puppies etc. it shows they made up there mind along time ago that these 2 were innocent and will try to make up the most ridiculous stories & muddy the waters to try & achieve there goal, not realizing they are doing more harm than good.

I am really glad, you see the funny side in all of this!

A bit childish and immature, if you ask me, but ...hey...we can not all be grown ups!

By the way: there are many ways to get to and from Samui/ Koh Tao/ Koh Phangan: via Samui Airport, via Chumporn Airport, via Surat Thani...

And FROM THE BEGINNING it was people speculating how and if it would be possible, to make it to BKK in time, if you use a speed- boat, organize a driver and board an aircraft from ANY of these airports!

But it's okay- you may have a short attention span!

[DiscoDan]

DiscoDan, on 24 Feb 2016 - 04:09, said:DiscoDan, on 24 Feb 2016 - 04:09, said:

IslandLover, on 23 Feb 2016 - 18:53, said:IslandLover, on 23 Feb 2016 - 18:53, said:

Yeah I am sure your right,

ZL : Don't tell anyone what happened that night or we will be killed

WP: Ok if we don't tell anyone what happened we will be ok right ?

ZL :No we will get the death penalty.

WP: OK best not telling anyone then.

ZL: And because we & our families might be in danger I will organize for our Mums to come to the islands.

Yep makes perfect sense.

To you maybe, but not to me. I have my own views on why Zaw Lin and Wei Phyo have not told the complete truth, and it's not because they committed the crime.

All that support from the Burmese government they could have spilled the beans & been back in Burma by now,

and they can't stop changing there stories, first it was "we don't know who did it" then it was we are the "victims of influential people" and last but not least "we believe the killer has now left the country"

So they are not scared enough to say influential people are involved but they are to scared to name them ?

There lives are in danger but let there parents come to the court ? if it was me I would tell my parents to stay home & to stay out of the media yet they did the opposite.

[DiscoDan]

For the last year the truthers ran with the story that the B2 had sat on the beach drinking & playing guitar and went of to bed at 2:00am

This changed to went home at 2:00am but popped back down the beach a couple of hours later.

This alibi coming from 2 people who were so drunk they could hardly walk or remember anything.

WP claims he went to bed woke up was worried about his shoes so went back to the beach to find them.

So drunk he can't remember anything but I bet he was sure he slept for 2 hours because the running man video has nearly and hour gap between running mans coming & going. which again puts him firmly in the frame.

Have you got that link for me yet that confirms David had a second phone, you know, the one you claim he had, only I'm still waiting.

No problem, backing up your facts with evidence is not something your very good at, I accept that

When you show me a link of the defense asking for original mixed samples I will show you it I have been waiting longer than you.

[DiscoDan]

While we've been informed as to how someone might get a speedboat from Koh Tao after a certain early morning time and then make it to the Chumphon Airport in time to board the Nok Air 7:20 AM flight to Don Muang, it has yet to be explained how one would get to the Chumphon airport terminal from the speedboat. If you look at a picture of the Chumphon Airport, the runway parallels the coast line but the terminal is on the far side of the runway from the coastline. Not easy to get from a Speedboat moored at a dock or along the coast to the terminal at that time in morning to get the flight. Are there taxis waiting for such early morning fares? Has the time for transit from the speedboat to the terminal been factored into these minute-by-minute calculations?

Have they changed it to Chumphon now ? 55555 its been Samui airport for the last year How many times does there story changed.

They have pretty much tried to blame anyone they could get a photo of on KT.

Remember the DJ with a wig ? 55555 talk about put 2+2 together and 5 (Yes we tested the hair and are now looking form some of polyester decent)

Then they posted a pic of a Thai women with blonde hair & started to try & blame her.

When the truthers refer to the B2 as midgets, adorable, puppies etc. it shows they made up there mind along time ago that these 2 were innocent and will try to make up the most ridiculous stories & muddy the waters to try & achieve there goal, not realizing they are doing more harm than good.

I am really glad, you see the funny side in all of this!

A bit childish and immature, if you ask me, but ...hey...we can not all be grown ups!

By the way: there are many ways to get to and from Samui/ Koh Tao/ Koh Phangan: via Samui Airport, via Chumporn Airport, via Surat Thani...

And FROM THE BEGINNING it was people speculating how and if it would be possible, to make it to BKK in time, if you use a speed- boat, organize a driver and board an aircraft from ANY of these airports!

But it's okay- you may have a short attention span!

Yep but you still ignore the fact there was bad weather which would of made it impossible to get to any of those destinations in that time frame but keep flogging that dead horse.

[IslandLover]

DiscoDan, on 24 Feb 2016 - 04:30, said:

JLCrab, on 23 Feb 2016 - 22:31, said:

While we've been informed as to how someone might get a speedboat from Koh Tao after a certain early morning time and then make it to the Chumphon Airport in time to board the Nok Air 7:20 AM flight to Don Muang, it has yet to be explained how one would get to the Chumphon airport terminal from the speedboat. If you look at a picture of the Chumphon Airport, the runway parallels the coast line but the terminal is on the far side of the runway from the coastline. Not easy to get from a Speedboat moored at a dock or along the coast to the terminal at that time in morning to get the flight. Are there taxis waiting for such early morning fares? Has the time for transit from the speedboat to the terminal been factored into these minute-by-minute calculations?

Have they changed it to Chumphon now ? 55555 its been Samui airport for the last year How many times does there story changed.

They have pretty much tried to blame anyone they could get a photo of on KT.

Remember the DJ with a wig ? 55555 talk about put 2+2 together and 5 (Yes we tested the hair and are now looking form some of polyester decent)

Then they posted a pic of a Thai women with blonde hair & started to try & blame her.

When the truthers refer to the B2 as midgets, adorable, puppies etc. it shows they made up there mind along time ago that these 2 were innocent and will try to make up the most ridiculous stories & muddy the waters to try & achieve there goal, not realizing they are doing more harm than good.

LOL! The DJ with a wig and the Thai woman with blonde hair was originally Greenchair's idea when she was doing her Inspector Clouseau investigations. As was Maung Maung wearing only one shoe and the "naked" man in the CCTV footage

[JLCrab]

While we've been informed as to how someone might get a speedboat from Koh Tao after a certain early morning time and then make it to the Chumphon Airport in time to board the Nok Air 7:20 AM flight to Don Muang, it has yet to be explained how one would get to the Chumphon airport terminal from the speedboat. If you look at a picture of the Chumphon Airport, the runway parallels the coast line but the terminal is on the far side of the runway from the coastline. Not easy to get from a Speedboat moored at a dock or along the coast to the terminal at that time in morning to get the flight. Are there taxis waiting for such early morning fares? Has the time for transit from the speedboat to the terminal been factored into these minute-by-minute calculations?

Have they changed it to Chumphon now ? 55555 its been Samui airport for the last year How many times does there story changed.

They have pretty much tried to blame anyone they could get a photo of on KT.

Remember the DJ with a wig ? 55555 talk about put 2+2 together and 5 (Yes we tested the hair and are now looking form some of polyester decent)

Then they posted a pic of a Thai women with blonde hair & started to try & blame her.

When the truthers refer to the B2 as midgets, adorable, puppies etc. it shows they made up there mind along time ago that these 2 were innocent and will try to make up the most ridiculous stories & muddy the waters to try & achieve there goal, not realizing they are doing more harm than good.

I am really glad, you see the funny side in all of this!

A bit childish and immature, if you ask me, but ...hey...we can not all be grown ups!

By the way: there are many ways to get to and from Samui/ Koh Tao/ Koh Phangan: via Samui Airport, via Chumporn Airport, via Surat Thani...

And FROM THE BEGINNING it was people speculating how and if it would be possible, to make it to BKK in time, if you use a speed- boat, organize a driver and board an aircraft from ANY of these airports!

But it's okay- you may have a short attention span!

Sure but that isn't a lot of time to make it to Bangkok especially if when you call your speed boat operator he is asleep with a hangover. However being a wealthy influential person and living on an island from which -- by many reports -- he might have to make a quick retreat following one of many indiscretions, he would maybe have a helicopter service on call when he is on the island with instructions to puck him up on the east side of Koh Tao.

I don't see of the funny side of 2 people murdered and 2 others rightfully or wrongfully convicted of those murders -- I just see the funny side of you.

Edited February 24, 2016 by JLCrab

[jayjay78]

For the last year the truthers ran with the story that the B2 had sat on the beach drinking & playing guitar and went of to bed at 2:00am

This changed to went home at 2:00am but popped back down the beach a couple of hours later.

This alibi coming from 2 people who were so drunk they could hardly walk or remember anything.

WP claims he went to bed woke up was worried about his shoes so went back to the beach to find them.

So drunk he can't remember anything but I bet he was sure he slept for 2 hours because the running man video has nearly and hour gap between running mans coming & going. which again puts him firmly in the frame.

Have you got that link for me yet that confirms David had a second phone, you know, the one you claim he had, only I'm still waiting.

No problem, backing up your facts with evidence is not something your very good at, I accept that

When you show me a link of the defense asking for original mixed samples I will show you it I have been waiting longer than you.

You know full well the defense requested a restest of original samples, the judge gave an order for this to go ahead and then it was discovered only amplified DNA was left, no original samples exist anymore http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/895293-evidence-from-uks-national-crime-agency-critical-in-sentencing-koh-tao-killers-to-death/?p=10456882

Are you one of the 0.0000001% of people who cannot seem to grasp this

[StealthEnergiser]

Actually David was killed through head injuries as reported by the Jersey Coroner yesterday: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-jersey-35639768

The coroner gave a narrative as expected but we need to wait for more reports of the nature of that apart from just the verdict.

A British student murdered in Thailand died from severe head injuries, a coroner has concluded.

this clip is where the medical expert I think coroner was questioned how a hoe could make stab wounds like a knife

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ_1WfVs7RY

[DM07]

While we've been informed as to how someone might get a speedboat from Koh Tao after a certain early morning time and then make it to the Chumphon Airport in time to board the Nok Air 7:20 AM flight to Don Muang, it has yet to be explained how one would get to the Chumphon airport terminal from the speedboat. If you look at a picture of the Chumphon Airport, the runway parallels the coast line but the terminal is on the far side of the runway from the coastline. Not easy to get from a Speedboat moored at a dock or along the coast to the terminal at that time in morning to get the flight. Are there taxis waiting for such early morning fares? Has the time for transit from the speedboat to the terminal been factored into these minute-by-minute calculations?

Have they changed it to Chumphon now ? 55555 its been Samui airport for the last year How many times does there story changed.

They have pretty much tried to blame anyone they could get a photo of on KT.

Remember the DJ with a wig ? 55555 talk about put 2+2 together and 5 (Yes we tested the hair and are now looking form some of polyester decent)

Then they posted a pic of a Thai women with blonde hair & started to try & blame her.

When the truthers refer to the B2 as midgets, adorable, puppies etc. it shows they made up there mind along time ago that these 2 were innocent and will try to make up the most ridiculous stories & muddy the waters to try & achieve there goal, not realizing they are doing more harm than good.

I am really glad, you see the funny side in all of this!

A bit childish and immature, if you ask me, but ...hey...we can not all be grown ups!

By the way: there are many ways to get to and from Samui/ Koh Tao/ Koh Phangan: via Samui Airport, via Chumporn Airport, via Surat Thani...

And FROM THE BEGINNING it was people speculating how and if it would be possible, to make it to BKK in time, if you use a speed- boat, organize a driver and board an aircraft from ANY of these airports!

But it's okay- you may have a short attention span!

Sure but that isn't a lot of time to make it to Bangkok especially if when you call your speed boat operator he is asleep with a hangover. However being a wealthy influential person and living on an island from which -- by many reports -- he might have to make a quick retreat following one of many indiscretions, he would maybe have a helicopter service on call when he is on the island with instructions to puck him up on the east side of Koh Tao.

I don't see of the funny side of 2 people murdered and 2 others rightfully or wrongfully convicted of those murders -- I just see the funny side of you.

The "bad weather" was what exactly?

As far as I recall, it was some wind and some waves!

Do you know, how the average Thai drives a car?

Now multiply that with absolute urgency to get someone from A to B in a speedboat, in conditions that very well allow a speedy ride!

Many people here have proven, that it would be very well possible to get from Koh Tao to Bangkok - even if you give it some buffer, which no one would have taken anyways!

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Edited February 24, 2016 by Jai Dee
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[JLCrab]

All the 'proven' scenarios require that the fully-fueled speedboat was ready and waiting at the shore, that there was no waiting time transfer to the airport, no problems at check in or buying a ticket even presuming that someone already had a ticket for the flight because this was all planned in advance because that was normally how that person left Koh Tao island when returning to Bangkok. So I would say that unless someone has actually done it with a stopwatch, it has not been proven even if theoretically possible if everything went to the most advantageous outcome.

That all is theoretical because that presumes the person or persons who would be making this great escape actually were on the island to begin with.

Edited February 24, 2016 by JLCrab

[JLCrab]

And they (RTP/prosecution) said they used the blunt end of the hoe to murder Hannah and David didn't they? Even more unbelievable.

Not unbelievable in regard to Hannah. The blunt end of a Thai-style hoe can be a gnarly weapon. It can crack softball-sized rocks.

While we've been informed as to how someone might get a speedboat from Koh Tao after a certain early morning time and then make it to the Chumphon Airport in time to board the Nok Air 7:20 AM flight to Don Muang, it has yet to be explained how one would get to the Chumphon airport terminal from the speedboat. If you look at a picture of the Chumphon Airport, the runway parallels the coast line but the terminal is on the far side of the runway from the coastline. Not easy to get from a Speedboat moored at a dock or along the coast to the terminal at that time in morning to get the flight. Are there taxis waiting for such early morning fares? Has the time for transit from the speedboat to the terminal been factored into these minute-by-minute calculations?

Crab, when a young man is in a highly desperate situation (running from a crime, for example), he will do desperate things. Getting from the docking point to the airport might not entail anything more than corralling a passing motorcyclist while waving a 1,000 baht note in his face. As for the suitcase you mentioned in a follow-up post: gimmeabreak! If the guy was allegedly fleeing as fast as he could from a bloody double murder, he's not going to be concerned about having a suitcase. His uncle probably told him to get his butt to Bkk a.s.a.p. in order to enact an alibi. All reasonable people who looked at the flimsy alibi can see through it. The only people who can't see it as b.s. are those with an agenda to shield the punk from scrutiny.

My agenda is the laws of time and physics which are but mere putty in your hands.

At that time in the morning maybe in a remote area, when he waved a 1000 baht note in the face of the motorcyclist, the motorcyclist would maybe grab the note, ride away fast, and leave the soaking wet guy standing there in the middle of nowhere.

But I'll tell you what is my agenda: Social media. Because long before these crimes, I got caught up in a social media firestorm when a large group of persons felt their social media onslaught changed a government policy via a petition. Later, when the government person in charge of the negotiations was asked how the petition influenced their decision, he responded: What petition?

And when I read a statement that those on here are just doing the job that the judicial forces in both Thailand and UK SHOULD be doing, then that is part of why I consider this -- but certainly not the underlying crimes -- to be entertainment.

Edited February 24, 2016 by JLCrab

[DM07]

All the 'proven' scenarios require that the fully-fueled speedboat was ready and waiting at the shore, that there was no waiting time transfer to the airport, no problems at check in or buying a ticket even presuming that someone already had a ticket for the flight because this was all planned in advance because that was normally how that person left Koh Tao island when returning to Bangkok. So I would say that unless someone has actually done it with a stopwatch, it has not been proven even if theoretically possible if everything went to the most advantageous outcome.

That all is theoretical because that presumes the person or persons who would be making this great escape actually were on the island to begin with.

7 Words for you: CCTV- footage from the pier, deemed not important!

Fueled speedboat: possible, if not even probable!

No waiting time for the transfer: call a buddy on the mainland, tell him to be "there"...absolutely possible.

Neither Surat nor Chumporn are giant airports. So buying a ticket and checking in would be done in no time, especially if you are travelling with no luggage at all!

Since it would be the first plane to go from either airports, delays are highly unlikely!

Yes...that is the theory: the person making the escape was on the island to begin with!

This is the theory for some time now- <snip>

Edited February 24, 2016 by Jai Dee
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[KunMatt]

All the 'proven' scenarios require that the fully-fueled speedboat was ready and waiting at the shore, that there was no waiting time transfer to the airport, no problems at check in or buying a ticket even presuming that someone already had a ticket for the flight because this was all planned in advance because that was normally how that person left Koh Tao island when returning to Bangkok. So I would say that unless someone has actually done it with a stopwatch, it has not been proven even if theoretically possible if everything went to the most advantageous outcome.

That all is theoretical because that presumes the person or persons who would be making this great escape actually were on the island to begin with.

Well he was wasn't he? Remember when the first police instigator said that he was a suspect but he had already fled to Bangkok? There's your proof he was on the island.

[smedly]

And they (RTP/prosecution) said they used the blunt end of the hoe to murder Hannah and David didn't they? Even more unbelievable.

Not unbelievable in regard to Hannah. The blunt end of a Thai-style hoe can be a gnarly weapon. It can crack softball-sized rocks.

While we've been informed as to how someone might get a speedboat from Koh Tao after a certain early morning time and then make it to the Chumphon Airport in time to board the Nok Air 7:20 AM flight to Don Muang, it has yet to be explained how one would get to the Chumphon airport terminal from the speedboat. If you look at a picture of the Chumphon Airport, the runway parallels the coast line but the terminal is on the far side of the runway from the coastline. Not easy to get from a Speedboat moored at a dock or along the coast to the terminal at that time in morning to get the flight. Are there taxis waiting for such early morning fares? Has the time for transit from the speedboat to the terminal been factored into these minute-by-minute calculations?

Crab, when a young man is in a highly desperate situation (running from a crime, for example), he will do desperate things. Getting from the docking point to the airport might not entail anything more than corralling a passing motorcyclist while waving a 1,000 baht note in his face. As for the suitcase you mentioned in a follow-up post: gimmeabreak! If the guy was allegedly fleeing as fast as he could from a bloody double murder, he's not going to be concerned about having a suitcase. His uncle probably told him to get his butt to Bkk a.s.a.p. in order to enact an alibi. All reasonable people who looked at the flimsy alibi can see through it. The only people who can't see it as b.s. are those with an agenda to shield the punk from scrutiny.

My agenda is the laws of time and physics which are but mere putty in your hands.

At that time in the morning maybe in a remote area, when he waved a 1000 baht note in the face of the motorcyclist, the motorcyclist would maybe grab the note, ride away fast, and leave the soaking wet guy standing there in the middle of nowhere.

But I'll tell you what is my agenda: Social media. Because long before these crimes, I got caught up in a social media firestorm when a large group of persons felt their social media onslaught changed a government policy via a petition. Later, when the government person in charge of the negotiations was asked how the petition influenced their decision, he responded: What petition?

And when I read a statement that those on here are just doing the job that the judicial forces in both Thailand and UK SHOULD be doing, then that is part of why I consider this -- but certainly not the underlying crimes -- to be entertainment.

this discussion is pointless and is clogging up this thread, either get back on topic or have your debate via PM please

[DiscoDan]

While we've been informed as to how someone might get a speedboat from Koh Tao after a certain early morning time and then make it to the Chumphon Airport in time to board the Nok Air 7:20 AM flight to Don Muang, it has yet to be explained how one would get to the Chumphon airport terminal from the speedboat. If you look at a picture of the Chumphon Airport, the runway parallels the coast line but the terminal is on the far side of the runway from the coastline. Not easy to get from a Speedboat moored at a dock or along the coast to the terminal at that time in morning to get the flight. Are there taxis waiting for such early morning fares? Has the time for transit from the speedboat to the terminal been factored into these minute-by-minute calculations?

Have they changed it to Chumphon now ? 55555 its been Samui airport for the last year How many times does there story changed.

They have pretty much tried to blame anyone they could get a photo of on KT.

Remember the DJ with a wig ? 55555 talk about put 2+2 together and 5 (Yes we tested the hair and are now looking form some of polyester decent)

Then they posted a pic of a Thai women with blonde hair & started to try & blame her.

When the truthers refer to the B2 as midgets, adorable, puppies etc. it shows they made up there mind along time ago that these 2 were innocent and will try to make up the most ridiculous stories & muddy the waters to try & achieve there goal, not realizing they are doing more harm than good.

I am really glad, you see the funny side in all of this!

A bit childish and immature, if you ask me, but ...hey...we can not all be grown ups!

By the way: there are many ways to get to and from Samui/ Koh Tao/ Koh Phangan: via Samui Airport, via Chumporn Airport, via Surat Thani...

And FROM THE BEGINNING it was people speculating how and if it would be possible, to make it to BKK in time, if you use a speed- boat, organize a driver and board an aircraft from ANY of these airports!

But it's okay- you may have a short attention span!

Sure but that isn't a lot of time to make it to Bangkok especially if when you call your speed boat operator he is asleep with a hangover. However being a wealthy influential person and living on an island from which -- by many reports -- he might have to make a quick retreat following one of many indiscretions, he would maybe have a helicopter service on call when he is on the island with instructions to puck him up on the east side of Koh Tao.

I don't see of the funny side of 2 people murdered and 2 others rightfully or wrongfully convicted of those murders -- I just see the funny side of you.

You are also forgetting the truthers think Nomsod staged the body to show that he was untouchable, then fled the island so he would not be arrested thus proving he is not untouchable.

[JLCrab]

If you want to come up with a scenario that persons other than those convicted were responsible for these crimes -- which may indeed be the case even maybe persons other than those that everyone then seems to think did it -- at least try to come up with something believable that does not involve millions of dollars dispersed and dozens if not hundreds of complicit persons and not one person to corroborate any of that.

[KunMatt]

If you want to come up with a scenario that persons other than those convicted were responsible for these crimes -- which may indeed be the case even maybe persons other than those that everyone then seems to think did it -- at least try to come up with something believable that does not involve millions of dollars dispersed and dozens if not hundreds of complicit persons and not one person to corroborate any of that.

I notice you do the same tactic as everyone else. You say something is impossible and demand proof and then when it is presented to you you immediate hop onto something else and change the subject.

I really wonder how many different people I'm talking to....