Evidence from UK's National Crime Agency 'critical' in sentencing Koh Tao killers to death

[wowfactor10]

check DNA for all locals who were living on the island during the killings..u then will find the killer or blood related family members from the killer./

Okok nobody cares they got 2 persons already doing time for it..

You're suggesting things which would ascertain who the real killers are. That's obviously not what RTP or any Thai VIP's care about. They've fingered scapegoats, so they have to maintain their ruse. Their top priority is to continue to shield the Thai people who are willing to spend many millions of dollars to protect their family members. If Brit officials knew how such things happened in Thailand, perhaps they wouldn't have been so hands-off in their non-investigation.

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just look at the wounds of David...

just compare hanna's wounds inflicted with the hoe and david's ones....

just compare david's wounds and what was showed during the circus reenactment...

no need of a Bs rtp statment , just look at the pics and just wait for the uk coroner 's report, inquest result about david's death

We, the general public, are still waiting for Brit experts to do their jobs. Maybe they're taking order from Donald Trump, "delay, delay, delay."

Yes Boomerang the case should be solved by DNA Match .There most be la lot of DNA traces from the killers left behind.

Collect it and compare it with all asians who were during the killing on the island.(its so small island )

Then u will have the killer and or u will have blood related family members from the killer..Simple

But seems all is happy with what the got in jail now..

How did the DNA from these 2 boys match with the DNA found at the crime scene? Far as i know there was never a 100% match.

Only a phone was found and or perhaps planted at their house.

[Khun Han]

And the mis-representation unashamedly continues. The Norfolk Coroner stated that sexual assault took place. I will try to keep the following as un-graphic as I can: Sexual assault can be in many different forms, including the use of inanimate objects on the victim. Hannah's DNA was found on the handle of the infamous hoe.

[AleG]

We, the general public, are still waiting for Brit experts to do their jobs. Maybe they're taking order from Donald Trump, "delay, delay, delay."

They did do their job, according to the article.

They proved the phone found at the b2 apartment (you know the one that Wei Phyo himself says he "found" at 4am ) conclusively belongs to the murdered victim.

They then passed that information on to the rtp, to assist in their investigation.

They helped the rtp, because they believe that the b2 are indeed the perpetrators, and were concerned about the safety of brit citizens should the b2 remain free.

So nobody wants to believe the Thai police, the Thai courts.

Now, nobody wants to believe the brit police either.

Let's face facts, all of the defense arguments have come from csi la and Thai visa.

That is a highly false and misleading statement and you know it

The Brit experts did not conclusively prove anything apart from confirm that an IMEI "Thai police provided" belonged to David Millars phone, it is the Thai police that are claiming this IMEI number belonged to a phone found at B2 residence, they have still yet to explain or investigate who the phone found at the crime secene belonged too and verify its IMEI, that is a massive failure and just adds to the doubts and speculation people have concerning the police investigation and subsequent conviction

You are talking nonsense, or do you expect anyone to believe that the Thai police pulled a number out of thin air to check with UK records and by an astronomical coincidence it just happened to be the one belonging to David Miller's phone?

Give it a go, think for a second were would they have gotten that IMEI number to begin with? I'd love to hear what convoluted explanation you can come up with that will by all possible means ignore the plain obvious truth that that phone used as evidence against the two murderers was David Miller's phone. (edited to add: no, actually I wouldn't love to hear that explanation)

Wei Phyo confessed to had that phone since the night of the murders in his testimony in court, and so did the friend he gave it to under false pretenses.

From court report:

"At about 8 am, the Second Defendant showed Mr Ren Ren the mobile phone he had retrieved and told him that he had found it at the restaurant. The Second Defendant tried to turn the mobile phone on but he could not because he did not have the passcode. Then, he left the mobile phone to be recharged at Mr Ren Ren’s house. After the murder news in Koh Tao spread, the Second Defendant told the truth to Mr Ren Ren that he found the mobile phone near where the incident had happened. Then, the Second Defendant slept over at the First Defendant’s house and returned to Mr Ren Ren’s house again to ask about the phone. Mr Ren Ren said he had smashed and destroyed the phone and thrown it away because he did not want to be implicated in the crime. The Second Defendant was disinterested and did not ask further."

He lied about were he got the phone, to his friend, for no other apparent reason that he thought the truth would implicate him in the murders that had not yet been in public knowledge at that time. This is from their testimony on the last days of the trial, this is their alibi, and you still defend them.

All this speculation, deliberate denial of facts, paranoid ramblings, misinformation, outright lies, absurd scenarios and knee jerk abuse against anyone who doesn't buy your increasingly irrational arguments for the innocence of those two Burmese men is nothing but a reflection of a need to save face.

None of you will ever find the truth, because the truth that you want is not out there to be found.

Edited February 17, 2016 by AleG

[AleG]

Every single thread containing the words 'Koh' or 'Tao' degenerates into...

Isn't it time to close until something NEW emerges?

The people that can't move on are bogged down in a quagmire of their own making, no new information will motivate them to move on, so we will keep hearing only different variations of the same excuses for why everything is not what it seems to be.

[Khun Han]

The phone saga is nothing more than a huge red herring created by the RTP.

First, it was Hannah's phone found behind the B2's lodgings. Then a video of Hannah's friends handing said phone in to the RTP appeared on the web. (What's the betting that a smashed pink phone would have turned up as evidence at the trial if said video never existed?)

Then it was quickly changed to David's Iphone being found behind the B2's lodgings. The problem is, an identical, though unbroken, Iphone was also found at the crime scene. David only had one Iphone, and a cheaper phone with a Thai sim card in it.

Then, in the middle of the trial, the IMEI for David's Iphone had been provided through the British Embassy. The British Embassy denied this.

Then, nearly at the end of the trial, said IMEI had been provided to the Royal Thai Embassy in London by David's family.

Then, in the judgement, it had reverted back to the discredited British Embassy story.

Now, we are hearing that Britain's National Crime Agency passed on the IMEI details.

What a farce! You couldn't make this convoluted nonsense up.....Well, the RTP clearly can.

Edited February 17, 2016 by Khun Han

[frank83628]

It is all a moot point. The police failed to link possession of the phone to the accused, yet the court went with it. Just as the court accepted the confessions which were the result of torture and written by a man who could not speak the language of the accused or Thai with any degree of competency. They also accepted DNA evidence which appears to have been done by a 5 year old in the kitchen and recorded in crayon.

If the court didn't care about any of that then...

I think he means the 'running' man. You know the one that has gait.

so, you do know that the 'running man' footage was supplied by the same family of the guy you are accusing of being the 'running man'?

[MickRobbo]

We need to remember that there are two issues with this conviction.

1/ Did the prosecution prove their case.

2/ Did they do it.

It seems clear that the case was not proven to western standards of evidence, but that's not to say they didn't do it.

The court seemed to attach more significance to the question of "did they do it" than "can we prove it".

The real question was "who said they did it"? That's what the court paid attention to.

I think you may well be onto something here; the court got paid! End of story, the fall out B2 is just collateral damage it would seem. Keep them tourist coming. The case was not proven at all, looks very likely the perpetrator mafia figure on Koh Toa had close affiliation to RTP of the area and he was cut loose for a large monetary sum 'soon' afterwards. No conclusive attempt has yet to be honestly made to put these two very unfortunate deaths to rest period - all to difficult. The only sure thing is the B2 do not fit the profile for crimes committed & DNA is not 100% conclusive - indicating an attempt to bluff an uneducated nation into a sure thing. Western demographics thought doesn't buy that cr@p.

[Khun Han]

Try reading my post again with tongue-in-cheek Mick .

[rockingrobin]

We, the general public, are still waiting for Brit experts to do their jobs. Maybe they're taking order from Donald Trump, "delay, delay, delay."

They did do their job, according to the article.

They proved the phone found at the b2 apartment (you know the one that Wei Phyo himself says he "found" at 4am ) conclusively belongs to the murdered victim.

They then passed that information on to the rtp, to assist in their investigation.

They helped the rtp, because they believe that the b2 are indeed the perpetrators, and were concerned about the safety of brit citizens should the b2 remain free.

So nobody wants to believe the Thai police, the Thai courts.

Now, nobody wants to believe the brit police either.

Let's face facts, all of the defense arguments have come from csi la and Thai visa.

GC your surmisation of the events is incorrect

From the article

BuzzFeed News has established that the agency received an urgent request from the Thai police for the serial number of Miller’s missing iPhone days after the young backpackers were found dead

The NCA retrieved Millers serial no and passed this onto the RTP,

At this point the mobile phone at the B2 apartment had not been found or indeed the B2 arrested . Your assertion that they believed that the b2 are indeed the perpetrators and were concerned about the safety of Brit citizens should the b2 remain free ,is just plainly incorrect.

[AleG]

The phone saga is nothing more than a huge red herring created by the RTP.

First, it was Hannah's phone found behind the B2's lodgings. Then a video of Hannah's friends handing said phone in to the RTP appeared on the web. (What's the betting that a smashed pink phone would have turned up as evidence at the trial if said video never existed?)

Then it was quickly changed to David's Iphone being found behind the B2's lodgings. The problem is, an identical, though unbroken, Iphone was also found at the crime scene. David only had one Iphone, and a cheaper phone with a Thai sim card in it.

Then, in the middle of the trial, the IMEI for David's Iphone had been provided through the British Embassy. The British Embassy denied this.

Then, nearly at the end of the trial, said IMEI had been provided to the Royal Thai Embassy in London by David's family.

Then, in the judgement, it had reverted back to the discredited British Embassy story.

Now, we are hearing that Britain's National Crime Agency passed on the IMEI details.

What a farce! You couldn't make this convoluted nonsense up.....Well, the RTP clearly can.

This is completely false:

"The problem is, an identical, though unbroken, Iphone was also found at the crime scene."

The IMEI number was confirmed unofficially by the NCA and again by the Miller family, you are twisting things into a pretzel to try to dismiss damning evidence, both sources of confirmation were pointed out in the court report:

"Pol. Col. Krisna Pattanacharoen verified the IMEI number of the exhibited mobile phone via coordination with officers at the British Embassy of Thailand, considering together with the testimony of Mr. Christopher Alan Ware, a friend of the First Deceased, and was able to identify that the mobile phone did in fact belong to the First Deceased, according to the Record of Testimony, the Evidence Document marked as Jor. 55."

"After having seized exhibited evidence, the police officers immediately investigated the exhibited mobile phone and the Plaintiff’s witness testified to confirm as to Evidence Document number Jor 30 that the identification number or IMEI of the exhibited mobile phone matched the number of the mobile phone of the First Deceased. Moreover, Document Jor 77 obtained from the father of the First Deceased made this factual issue more sound and credible. In this regards, the Second Defendant are unable to present any evidence at all to contradict this matter. The evidence brought by the Plaintiff is therefore credible and supports beyond doubts that the exhibited mobile phone is definitely that of the First Deceased."

When the prosecution said that the UK government had confirmed the ownership of the phone during the trial you all jumped up to accuse them of lying, now it turns out they were telling the truth and still you try to find the way to spin things to not admit to yourselves that you were wrong, by making things up if necessary.

The only people that have discredited themselves are the ones trying to defend Wei Phyo and Zaw Lin from murdering Hannah Witheridge and David Miller, time and time again by making claims that are known to not be true or are not known to be true as the bulk of their arguments., you know, like saying "The problem is, an identical, though unbroken, Iphone was also found at the crime scene."

[AleG]

We, the general public, are still waiting for Brit experts to do their jobs. Maybe they're taking order from Donald Trump, "delay, delay, delay."

They did do their job, according to the article.

They proved the phone found at the b2 apartment (you know the one that Wei Phyo himself says he "found" at 4am ) conclusively belongs to the murdered victim.

They then passed that information on to the rtp, to assist in their investigation.

They helped the rtp, because they believe that the b2 are indeed the perpetrators, and were concerned about the safety of brit citizens should the b2 remain free.

So nobody wants to believe the Thai police, the Thai courts.

Now, nobody wants to believe the brit police either.

Let's face facts, all of the defense arguments have come from csi la and Thai visa.

GC your surmisation of the events is incorrect

From the article

BuzzFeed News has established that the agency received an urgent request from the Thai police for the serial number of Miller’s missing iPhone days after the young backpackers were found dead

The NCA retrieved Millers serial no and passed this onto the RTP,

At this point the mobile phone at the B2 apartment had not been found or indeed the B2 arrested . Your assertion that they believed that the b2 are indeed the perpetrators and were concerned about the safety of Brit citizens should the b2 remain free ,is just plainly incorrect.

More spin, or is it just self deception?

You don't quote these parts of the article:

"But sources close to the case and documents seen by BuzzFeed News have revealed that the National Crime Agency (NCA) passed on the information linking the Burmese suspects to the crime “verbally” without seeking any written assurances that it would not be used to sentence them to death"

"The NCA deemed the situation time-critical and rapidly made the “exceptional” decision to retrieve the serial number for Miller’s phone and pass it on to Thai police verbally. Because of concerns about the use of capital punishment, they did so on the basis that it was for intelligence purposes only and not to be used to prosecute the two suspects. However, no written assurance was secured that it would not be used in court."

It is perfectly clear they asked for the information after they had arrested the two suspects.

[DM07]

The phone saga is nothing more than a huge red herring created by the RTP.

First, it was Hannah's phone found behind the B2's lodgings. Then a video of Hannah's friends handing said phone in to the RTP appeared on the web. (What's the betting that a smashed pink phone would have turned up as evidence at the trial if said video never existed?)

Then it was quickly changed to David's Iphone being found behind the B2's lodgings. The problem is, an identical, though unbroken, Iphone was also found at the crime scene. David only had one Iphone, and a cheaper phone with a Thai sim card in it.

Then, in the middle of the trial, the IMEI for David's Iphone had been provided through the British Embassy. The British Embassy denied this.

Then, nearly at the end of the trial, said IMEI had been provided to the Royal Thai Embassy in London by David's family.

Then, in the judgement, it had reverted back to the discredited British Embassy story.

Now, we are hearing that Britain's National Crime Agency passed on the IMEI details.

What a farce! You couldn't make this convoluted nonsense up.....Well, the RTP clearly can.

In the beginning, it was told, it was Hannah's phone!

Hannah's!

As in Hannah Witheridge!

Later it was played down to be a translation and communications error.

What the RTP said they stated, was...drumroll.....it was "one of the victims phone"!

My Thai is really not good, but I am quiet sure, the Thai words for "one of the victims" don't sound much like "Hannah Witheridge"...

[AleG]

It is all a moot point. The police failed to link possession of the phone to the accused, yet the court went with it. Just as the court accepted the confessions which were the result of torture and written by a man who could not speak the language of the accused or Thai with any degree of competency. They also accepted DNA evidence which appears to have been done by a 5 year old in the kitchen and recorded in crayon.

If the court didn't care about any of that then...

I think he means the 'running' man. You know the one that has gait.

so, you do know that the 'running man' footage was supplied by the same family of the guy you are accusing of being the 'running man'?

I'm pretty sure they "know" the opposite, that they kept/destroyed all footage. Mind you, reality says otherwise but that's just a minor detail.

[greenchair]

We, the general public, are still waiting for Brit experts to do their jobs. Maybe they're taking order from Donald Trump, "delay, delay, delay."

They did do their job, according to the article.

They proved the phone found at the b2 apartment (you know the one that Wei Phyo himself says he "found" at 4am ) conclusively belongs to the murdered victim.

They then passed that information on to the rtp, to assist in their investigation.

They helped the rtp, because they believe that the b2 are indeed the perpetrators, and were concerned about the safety of brit citizens should the b2 remain free.

So nobody wants to believe the Thai police, the Thai courts.

Now, nobody wants to believe the brit police either.

Let's face facts, all of the defense arguments have come from csi la and Thai visa.

That is a highly false and misleading statement and you know it

The Brit experts did not conclusively prove anything apart from confirm that an IMEI "Thai police provided" belonged to David Millars phone, it is the Thai police that are claiming this IMEI number belonged to a phone found at B2 residence, they have still yet to explain or investigate who the phone found at the crime secene belonged too and verify its IMEI, that is a massive failure and just adds to the doubts and speculation people have concerning the police investigation and subsequent conviction

You are talking nonsense, or do you expect anyone to believe that the Thai police pulled a number out of thin air to check with UK records and by an astronomical coincidence it just happened to be the one belonging to David Miller's phone?

Give it a go, think for a second were would they have gotten that IMEI number to begin with? I'd love to hear what convoluted explanation you can come up with that will by all possible means ignore the plain obvious truth that that phone used as evidence against the two murderers was David Miller's phone. (edited to add: no, actually I wouldn't love to hear that explanation)

Wei Phyo confessed to had that phone since the night of the murders in his testimony in court, and so did the friend he gave it to under false pretenses.

From court report:

"At about 8 am, the Second Defendant showed Mr Ren Ren the mobile phone he had retrieved and told him that he had found it at the restaurant. The Second Defendant tried to turn the mobile phone on but he could not because he did not have the passcode. Then, he left the mobile phone to be recharged at Mr Ren Rens house. After the murder news in Koh Tao spread, the Second Defendant told the truth to Mr Ren Ren that he found the mobile phone near where the incident had happened. Then, the Second Defendant slept over at the First Defendants house and returned to Mr Ren Rens house again to ask about the phone. Mr Ren Ren said he had smashed and destroyed the phone and thrown it away because he did not want to be implicated in the crime. The Second Defendant was disinterested and did not ask further."

He lied about were he got the phone, to his friend, for no other apparent reason that he thought the truth would implicate him in the murders that had not yet been in public knowledge at that time. This is from their testimony on the last days of the trial, this is their alibi, and you still defend them.

All this speculation, deliberate denial of facts, paranoid ramblings, misinformation, outright lies, absurd scenarios and knee jerk abuse against anyone who doesn't buy your increasingly irrational arguments for the innocence of those two Burmese men is nothing but a reflection of a need to save face.

None of you will ever find the truth, because the truth that you want is not out there to be found.

The court records are true accounts of the words of the Burmese immigrants themselves.

(All 5 of them ) their stories are full of lies and made up scenarios of how can we explain this mess away? When putting together their testimony in many many areas, it just does not stand up.

Now, that we have established the phone is surely David's, you all can begin the spin of

"Yes, they could, might, possibly have been there, but they were just observers " poor sweet little things were forced to watch by mon. Lol

[MockingJay]

Kudos to all truth finders/fighters, like Boomerangutan and friends, but the advise here always is: Never argue with a fool - he will drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience. (Mark Twain)

It is too late anyway, the B2 are as good as dead and there will be no revision. Most likely "Running Man" and his two Koh Tao cronies already have raped a few other blondes who are too ashamed (and frightened) to report anything. Those f$$@ers will only be stopped by a few bullets. If I were the father of one of the victims, I'd spend my life savings on a few Nakhon Si Thammarat hitmen and put an end to this.

Edited February 18, 2016 by MockingJay

[JLCrab]

So maybe the BIG man said: No problem -- just don't kill 'em this time. Boys will be boys.

[lucky11]

The phone saga is nothing more than a huge red herring created by the RTP.

First, it was Hannah's phone found behind the B2's lodgings. Then a video of Hannah's friends handing said phone in to the RTP appeared on the web. (What's the betting that a smashed pink phone would have turned up as evidence at the trial if said video never existed?)

Then it was quickly changed to David's Iphone being found behind the B2's lodgings. The problem is, an identical, though unbroken, Iphone was also found at the crime scene. David only had one Iphone, and a cheaper phone with a Thai sim card in it.

Then, in the middle of the trial, the IMEI for David's Iphone had been provided through the British Embassy. The British Embassy denied this.

Then, nearly at the end of the trial, said IMEI had been provided to the Royal Thai Embassy in London by David's family.

Then, in the judgement, it had reverted back to the discredited British Embassy story.

Now, we are hearing that Britain's National Crime Agency passed on the IMEI details.

What a farce! You couldn't make this convoluted nonsense up.....Well, the RTP clearly can.

Well, you just made this large dose of convoluted nonsense up!!

I need to decide which is the the most convincing argument of the two - now, we have, AleG's factual account of compulsive lying as to how they were in possession of David's phone and in a fit of panic, smashing it up and tossing it as they didn't want to incriminate themselves in something they couldn't have actually been aware of happening that fateful night, and your vivid imagination in fabricating a story to fit what could have happened if this occurred in the unlikely event that that had been done at that time causing this to affect other events that might of transpired. Please bear with me.................my decision is pending, as it is a tough one to make!!

[PaPiPuPePo]

And on and on and on he goes with his inane comments. 'It's the Thai courts who will decide, not Thai Visa Forum'. Ya don't say? Well knock me down with a feather duster! Thai Visa had better stop posting all these news stories on the subject and allowing us to discuss it then, hadn't they.

No wonder most of Twitter has him on block.

I do because I find people who will constantly insinuate things and try influence others while taking pains to obscure their views not worth listening to. Factor in the try-hard stabs at being witty which end up being tiresome.....

[smedly]

Kudos to all truth finders/fighters, like Boomerangutan and friends, but the advise here always is: Never argue with a fool - he will drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience. (Mark Twain)

It is too late anyway, the B2 are as good as dead and there will be no revision. Most likely "Running Man" and his two Koh Tao cronies already have raped a few other blondes who are too ashamed (and frightened) to report anything. Those f$$@ers will only be stopped by a few bullets. If I were the father of one of the victims, I'd spend my life savings on a few Nakhon Si Thammarat hitmen and put an end to this.

lol exactly - see below

[smedly]

two phones one IMEI number - just about sums it up

[greenchair]

As the judge said. ...

Since the defense did not put forth any arguments against the prosecution telephone evidence, then we must conclude that they are in agreement on this point.

The brit police investigated the origins of this phone and made the conclusion it was David's.

I do not believe the brits did any such thing as to rely solely on the rtp word of mouth.

So we have the rtp say it is David's.

The brit police say it is David's.

Wei Phyo say he found it veeeeerryy near the scene.

The defense silence to defend the phone was not David's.

Jeez, it doesn't get any clearer than that.

[lucky11]

As the judge said. ...

Since the defense did not put forth any arguments against the prosecution telephone evidence, then we must conclude that they are in agreement on this point.

The brit police investigated the origins of this phone and made the conclusion it was David's.

I do not believe the brits did any such thing as to rely solely on the rtp word of mouth.

So we have the rtp say it is David's.

The brit police say it is David's.

Wei Phyo say he found it veeeeerryy near the scene.

The defense silence to defend the phone was not David's.

Jeez, it doesn't get any clearer than that.

Absolutely, it doesn't - how they have the audacity to dispute the facts is beyond me!!

[greenchair]

As the judge said. ...

Since the defense did not put forth any arguments against the prosecution telephone evidence, then we must conclude that they are in agreement on this point.

The brit police investigated the origins of this phone and made the conclusion it was David's.

I do not believe the brits did any such thing as to rely solely on the rtp word of mouth.

So we have the rtp say it is David's.

The brit police say it is David's.

Wei Phyo say he found it veeeeerryy near the scene.

The defense silence to defend the phone was not David's.

Jeez, it doesn't get any clearer than that.

Absolutely, it doesn't - how they have the audacity to dispute the facts is beyond me!!

I clearly remember the day, it finally dawned on me that I was wrong and the rtp were correct and had done a great job.

I did feel quite sick.

Some people are having a hard time with this, as did I.

We all wanted them to be innocent.

We should try to find understanding for those that cannot, will not face the painful truth.

Bless them.

[boomerangutang]

Whether or not one of the suspects found a phone is, to me, not important. It doesn't prove anything other than perhaps one of the scapegoats may have picked up a phone in the sand. If he did, he may have picked it up before the crime. We don't know, and it doesn't much matter. If one of them is proven to be a petty thief, then perhaps he should be busted for that: Bt.500 fine. We still don't know whether the phone purportedly found outside the dwelling was the same as the phone found at the crime scene. If it is the same phone, then it was obviously planted.

What's important - to finding who did it, are things like: DNA, witnesses, motive, CCTV, and crime history.

None of the important things have connected the suspects with the crime. The closest CCTV (showing B2) was nearly 6 hours before the crime. There were thousands of people in the area of the crime 6 hours prior. All DNA evidence (prior to Pontip's team finding evidence which the RTP missed on the hoe) ...is hearsay by RTP. Not one iota of verifiable DNA evidence has come from RTP or their affiliates.

Running Man video shows one of the original suspects (Nomsod) and doesn't remotely resemble the B2. Mon, Nomsod and their weaponized-ring-wearing buddies have histories of rape and date-rape and fighting on the island. The B2 don't have any history of crime. Even a prior accusation by RTP against the B2 (that they had both entered the country illegally) was shown to be made-up.

[greenchair]

[quote

Whether or not one of the suspects found a phone is, to me, not important. It doesn't prove anything other than perhaps one of the scapegoats may have picked up a phone in the sand. If he did, he may have picked it up before the crime. We don't know, and it doesn't much matter. If one of them is proven to be a petty thief, then perhaps he should be busted for that: Bt.500 fine. We still don't know whether the phone purportedly found outside the dwelling was the same as the phone found at the crime scene. If it is the same phone, then it was obviously planted.

What's important - to finding who did it, are things like: DNA, witnesses, motive, CCTV, and crime history.

None of the important things have connected the suspects with the crime. The closest CCTV (showing B2) was nearly 6 hours before the crime. There were thousands of people in the area of the crime 6 hours prior. All DNA evidence (prior to Pontip's team finding evidence which the RTP missed on the hoe) ...is hearsay by RTP. Not one iota of verifiable DNA evidence has come from RTP or their affiliates.

Running Man video shows one of the original suspects (Nomsod) and doesn't remotely resemble the B2. Mon, Nomsod and their weaponized-ring-wearing buddies have histories of rape and date-rape and fighting on the island. The B2 don't have any history of crime. Even a prior accusation by RTP against the B2 (that they had both entered the country illegally) was shown to be made-up.

I agree totally having the victims phone in their possession means nothing. They may well have found it in the sand.

But he lied about it to his friend.

Then when his friend heard about the murders, he admitted the truth to his friend.

Then his friend tried destroy and hide it. Not only the phone , but sunglasses also.

Ok they were afraid.

The dna inside the victim was collected 2 weeks prior to their arrest. At the time it was tested there were no suspects, so the details of the dna would have been recorded long before they were arrested.

Anyway, it is the defense own witness that found a 25% match to Wei Phyo. It did not include nor exclude him. But how many people on the island would have a 25% match and the victims phone and sunglasses.

We the public are not privy to all of the cctv. So we must trust b2 testimony together with cctv. They say they were at the beach from around 11 pm to after 2am. The rtp know this because of cctv footage showing Muang going to his girlfriend home after he had just left them.

So it is not 6 hours before the crime and there not that many people about and it puts them right smack in the vicinity within around 60 meters, I think.

There is also cctv footage of Wei Phyo and Muang Muang going back to the beach at 4am. Some of it we have not seen. And since we don't believe the police, we must again depend on Muang Muang and Wei Phyo own testimony.

So this narrows the field considerably.

How many people on the island were at the beach at 2 am and again at 4am, had a small match of their dna on the murder weapon, had a telephone and sunglasses belonging to the victim and are seen on CCTV throughout the and early hours of the morning coming and going from the area.

If you wanted me to believe they were there, but others were involved, I could travel down that path.

But it is beyond sound reasoning, that they were not involved.

There is nothing on nomsod or mon, certainly doesn't exclude them, but doesn't include them either.

[Khun Han]

He keeps using his 'bible' (the judgement) and keeps exposing it for the pile of nonsense that it is. Mr Christopher Alan Ware had left Thailand long before the smashed iphone was found behind the B2's lodgings. So which phone did he verify as being David's? The one found at the crime scene?

And which IMEI story is it? From the British Embassy? From the Royal Thai Embassy in London? Or given 'off the record' in a phone call from the NCA?

Readers will note that my original post on this matter has caused quite a stir amongst the little hornet's nest of shills. That means we're getting somewhere with this .

[greenchair]

I am sure khun Han, if someone left a phone at the beach, found by Wei Phyo, they would have come forward long ago.
Unless it was dropped by
"the real murderers " and they didn't want to come forward because they were afraid of being accused of the murder that they had just heard about.

[stander]

He keeps using his 'bible' (the judgement) and keeps exposing it for the pile of nonsense that it is. Mr Christopher Alan Ware had left Thailand long before the smashed iphone was found behind the B2's lodgings. So which phone did he verify as being David's? The one found at the crime scene?

And which IMEI story is it? From the British Embassy? From the Royal Thai Embassy in London? Or given 'off the record' in a phone call from the NCA?

Readers will note that my original post on this matter has caused quite a stir amongst the little hornet's nest of shills. That means we're getting somewhere with this .

There you go again with the name calling, clear signs of your frustration and inability to accept the reality

[phuketandsee]

Koh Tao defence seeks second appeal hearing extension

"The defence team for two Myanmar men facing the death penalty for the murder of two British tourists on Koh Tao will today file a second application to push back an appeal against the sentence".

http://www.mmtimes.com/index.php/national-news/19046-koh-tao-defence-seeks-second-appeal-hearing-extension.html

Edited February 18, 2016 by phuketandsee

[CharlieH]

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