County sheriff: 'As many' as 3-4 dead, up to 20 hurt in Hesston, Kansas, attacks

[GeorgesAbitbol]

U.S. Population - 323.314,342

Thailand Population - 68,082,473 (roughly 1/5 of the U.S.)

U.S. Gun related deaths per 100,000 = 3.5

Thailand Gun related deaths per 100,000 = 7.48

(2013 statistics)

So, a country with roughly one-fifth of the population of the U.S. has over twice as many gun related deaths.

You tell me which country has a "gun problem".

But, hey, it's always good to bash the U.S., even if you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

It is even better to hide behind stats which compare USA and a developing country which has a corrupted police.

I tell you both countries have gun problem, by the way as you are a pro gun it seems : aren't you afraid in your daily life as you don't have a gun here?

It must be a nightmare for all the NRA supporters here, living in an unsafe country and not being able to "stand your ground"

[GeorgesAbitbol]

More guns in circulation = less expensive black market, more second hand unregulated market...

Less gun in circulation = more expensive black market, less second hand sales,

But in fact you just have to look at the news every week in USA to see how the things work there...

[GeorgesAbitbol]

I'm sure it will be fine as long as the parents show their beautiful children how guns work

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3375146/Missouri-teen-dies-accidentally-shot-father-gun-thought-unloaded.html

They can even buy some pretty pink glittering rifles from crickett.com so they can play with kid sized riffles

[Gary A]

This is just another example of how well the gun laws work. They don't. Criminals pay no attention.

[GeorgesAbitbol]

This is just another example of how well the gun laws work. They don't. Criminals pay no attention.

They don't mostly because of the availability of the guns, the lack of regulation about second hand market, the promotion of gun industry...

In USA a semi auto cost 2000 doll on black market, in Australia since they enforced gun regulation it is around 15,000doll...guess you don t need to be a criminal when you have 15,000doll on your account

[Saradoc1972]

Probably just a case of s.o. "going postal".

Love that idiom.

[Estrada]

U.S. Population - 323.314,342

Thailand Population - 68,082,473 (roughly 1/5 of the U.S.)

U.S. Gun related deaths per 100,000 = 3.5

Thailand Gun related deaths per 100,000 = 7.48

(2013 statistics)

So, a country with roughly one-fifth of the population of the U.S. has over twice as many gun related deaths.

You tell me which country has a "gun problem".

But, hey, it's always good to bash the U.S., even if you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

The US has a terrible gun problem and worse still, a mass shooting problem. In the UK, with a similar population to Thailand, where gun ownership is strictly controlled, the number of gun related deaths is 0.1 per 100,000.

So many people die annually from gunfire in the US that the death toll between 1968 and 2011 eclipses all wars ever fought by the country. According to research by Politifact, there were about 1.4 million firearm deaths in that period, compared with 1.2 million US deaths in every conflict from the War of Independence to Iraq.

[Estrada]

I can't help notice without exception, every mass shooting is committed by someone who is mentally ill. It seems it would be more productive to focus on mental health rather than all the hysterical anti-gun comments.

Sure!

That would be one point!

The other would be GUN CONTROL, so the mentally ill can not buy guns from every Tom, Dick and Harry without any kind of background check!

The problem is that most of these people are not mentally ill, they just feel like shooting people.

[Prbkk]

The way things are going it's probable that news editors will decide that any mass shooting with fewer than 10 deaths should be consigned to local news only.

[Lopchan]

Latest figures 1903 Gun deaths in the US up to today (bearing in mind it's morning over there) with 3705 injuries

Let's do the maths on that eh?

1903 / 57 days = 33.38 Round (pun intended) it down, 33 people per day.

Of these figures: 77 kids o-11 years old

411 kids 12-17 years old

Source info: http://www.gunviolencearchive.org

Now if anyone want's to tell me that Thailand is comparable to those figures, please supply links to the info.

And people still have the gall to say 'It's muuuh const-ti toooshunul rahhht to owns me a fi-ya-ahhm"??? or "yous-all ain't "murrigun so yall ain't got no rahhht to tells us what we should do!"......defies rational thinking.

[ggt]

I am waiting for the xyz community to come forward with evidence that the attacker was trying to surrender to police when he was gunned down in cold blood...

Now let's all go out and loot stores...burn cars...and shoot our guns at the police...because our lives matter more than other people's...

Why not get a job instead?

[Andaman Al]

U.S. Population - 323.314,342

Thailand Population - 68,082,473 (roughly 1/5 of the U.S.)

U.S. Gun related deaths per 100,000 = 3.5

Thailand Gun related deaths per 100,000 = 7.48

(2013 statistics)

So, a country with roughly one-fifth of the population of the U.S. has over twice as many gun related deaths.

You tell me which country has a "gun problem".

But, hey, it's always good to bash the U.S., even if you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

so there were 274 deaths from shootings alone every single day in Thailand - I don't believe it. Can you post your source please.

[stevenl]

I am waiting for the xyz community to come forward with evidence that the attacker was trying to surrender to police when he was gunned down in cold blood...

Now let's all go out and loot stores...burn cars...and shoot our guns at the police...because our lives matter more than other people's...

Why not get a job instead?

Huh?

[Andaman Al]

U.S. Population - 323.314,342

Thailand Population - 68,082,473 (roughly 1/5 of the U.S.)

U.S. Gun related deaths per 100,000 = 3.5

Thailand Gun related deaths per 100,000 = 7.48

(2013 statistics)

So, a country with roughly one-fifth of the population of the U.S. has over twice as many gun related deaths.

You tell me which country has a "gun problem".

But, hey, it's always good to bash the U.S., even if you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

So of all the reliable data out there you chose to use "Coconuts"!

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2015/12/11/thailand-gun-death-rate-twice-high-us

Even in the article it says other sources dispute this figure.

Select Google, type in your question, pick the first answer that fits your agenda or pre-conceived ideas!

Isn't it ironic that this rampage took place in 'Hesston' !

Edited February 26, 2016 by Andaman Al

[copa8]

U.S. Population - 323.314,342

Thailand Population - 68,082,473 (roughly 1/5 of the U.S.)

U.S. Gun related deaths per 100,000 = 3.5

Thailand Gun related deaths per 100,000 = 7.48

(2013 statistics)

So, a country with roughly one-fifth of the population of the U.S. has over twice as many gun related deaths.

You tell me which country has a "gun problem".

But, hey, it's always good to bash the U.S., even if you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

But the US is an advanced economy/society (#1 in the world) vs Thailand, which is a developing one. Not an apples to apples comparison.

[ggt]

I am waiting for the xyz community to come forward with evidence that the attacker was trying to surrender to police when he was gunned down in cold blood...

Now let's all go out and loot stores...burn cars...and shoot our guns at the police...because our lives matter more than other people's...

Why not get a job instead?

Huh?

Google Baltimore riots and Black Lives Matter...the picture will become more clear

[dunroaming]

Americans love their guns and that is their choice. The consequence is that a lot of innocent people get shot. They obviously feel that this is acceptable so it is hard to feel any sympathy. They could stop it but choose not to.

[stevenl]

I am waiting for the xyz community to come forward with evidence that the attacker was trying to surrender to police when he was gunned down in cold blood...

Now let's all go out and loot stores...burn cars...and shoot our guns at the police...because our lives matter more than other people's...

Why not get a job instead?

Huh?

Google Baltimore riots and Black Lives Matter...the picture will become more clear

Your postings here are off topic and irrelevant

[samran]

The shooter has been identified as Cedric Ford. He worked at the plant.

From Heavy.com "He Was Was Accused of Domestic Violence & Has a Felony Record in Florida Dating Back Several Years".

I wonder what set this guy off?

This pic from his FB page

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BlackLivesMatter

Ah the keyboard warriors must have been disappointed to find out it wasn't a muslim. They would have creamed their pants if it was. Still, they got a consolation prize in that it was a black man. At least they'll be able to run up their daily bigot quota on this one.

[samran]

List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate.jpg

Some Countries have bigger problems than America

.

You would have been very good in the army with your lack of ability to think. What do they call you blokes...'cannon fodder'??

The US is the only devloped country out of that illustrious grouping.

Edited February 27, 2016 by samran

[bangon04]

Yawn...... Another day in the US, another mass shooting.

Sorry I should be shocked and upset on behalf of the victims, but I got drained....

The gun apologists - guns don't kill people blah blah blah blah just bored with it now

[rooster59]

Sheriff: Cop who killed Kansas gunman a 'tremendous hero'

ROXANA HEGEMAN, Associated Press
MARIA FISHER, Associated Press


HESSTON, Kan. (AP) — A man who stormed into a Kansas factory and shot 14 people, killing three, had just been served with a protective order involving a former girlfriend that probably set off the attack, authorities said Friday.

The assault at the Excel Industries lawnmower-parts plant in the small town of Hesston ended when the police chief killed the gunman in a shootout.

Harvey County Sheriff T. Walton described the officer as a "tremendous hero" because 200 or 300 people were still in the factory and the "shooter wasn't done by any means."

Had the officer "not done what he did, this would be a whole lot more tragic," Walton said.

The gunman was identified as Cedric Ford, a 38-year-old worker at the factory. As a convicted felon, he was prohibited from owning any kind of firearm. A woman was charged with supplying him with an assault rifle and a pistol.

Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback said preliminary information indicated that the officer was Hesston Police Chief Doug Schroeder, who did not wait for backup and "seized the situation."

Schroeder has been on the job since 1998, according to his LinkedIn profile.

While driving to the factory, the gunman shot a man on the street, striking him in the shoulder. A short time later, he shot someone else in the leg at an intersection, authorities said.

The suspect shot one person in the factory parking lot before opening fire inside the building, the sheriff's department said.

Ford had several convictions in Florida over the last decade. His past offenses included burglary, grand theft, fleeing from an officer, aggravated fleeing and carrying a concealed weapon, all from Broward and Miami-Dade counties.

According to the Wichita Eagle, Ford also had criminal cases in Harvey County, including a misdemeanor conviction in 2008 for fighting and various traffic violations from 2014 and 2015.

A Facebook page under the name of a Cedric Ford employed at Excel includes photos posted within the past month of a man posing with a long gun and another of a handgun in a man's lap in a car. Federal law bars felons from possessing firearms.

Recent posts also include music videos of rappers from Miami, photos of cars and pictures posted in January of a trip to a zoo with children.

Sarah T. Hopkins, 28, was in jail awaiting a court appearance Monday on charges that she gave Ford a semi-automatic rifle similar to an AK-47 and a Glock .40-caliber handgun.

A call to a phone number listed for her was not answered. Court records did not indicate if she has an attorney.

According to an affidavit, Hopkins lived with Ford in nearby Newton before moving out in July. Newton police later met her at the home so she could retrieve the weapons, which she had purchased. Hopkins told officers on Friday that she gave the weapons to Ford in August because he had threatened her.

Hopkins and Ford had a 2-year-old son and a 4-year-old daughter, according to a report in the Eagle that cited a paternity case in Harvey County last year. She is not the same woman who sought the order of protection.

The shooting came less than a week after a man opened fire at several locations in the Kalamazoo, Michigan, area, leaving six people dead and two severely wounded. Authorities have not disclosed a possible motive in those attacks.

Walton said his office served the suspect with the protection-from-abuse order at around 3:30 p.m., about 90 minutes before the first shooting happened.

A judge issued a temporary order of protection earlier this month for a former girlfriend who said in her petition that Ford was a violent, depressed alcoholic.

"It's my belief he is in desperate need of medical and psychological help!" she wrote.

The ex-girlfriend, who indicated on court documents that she had lived with Ford, said the two were arguing on Feb. 5 when he grabbed her, placed her in a choke hold from behind and took her to the ground.

On Thursday, Ford left work early without explanation before returning hours later with a rifle, according to a co-worker.

Matt Jarrell said he and Ford worked "hand-in-hand" as painters on the second shift. He said Ford arrived as scheduled on Thursday but later disappeared and was not there to relieve him so that he could take a break.

Jarrell said someone else eventually spelled him and that he was sitting in his truck in the parking lot when he saw Ford drive up in a truck that wasn't his. He sped away when he saw Ford shoot someone and then enter the building.

Moments later, Martin Espinoza, who works at Excel, heard people yelling to others to get out of the building, then heard popping and saw the shooter, a co-worker he described as typically pretty calm.

Espinoza said the shooter pointed a gun at him and pulled the trigger, but the gun was empty. At that point, the gunman got a different gun and Espinoza ran.

"He came outside after a few people, shot outside a few times, shot at the officers coming onto the scene at the moment and then reloaded in front of the company," Espinoza said. "After he reloaded, he went inside the lobby in front of the building, and that is the last I seen him."

Dennis Britton Jr. suffered a fracture in his right leg when a bullet went through his buttocks and out his leg.

Britton's father, Dennis Britton Sr., who also works at the plant as a welding team leader, said his son was awake and talking.

After hearing shouts, the younger Britton stepped out of a welding bay, heard a pop and "immediately went to the ground," his father said.

Authorities identified the dead as 44-year-old Brian Sadowsky of Newton; 31-year-old Josh Higbee of Buhler; and 30-year-old Renee Benjamin, whose hometown was unavailable.

Hesston is a community of about 3,700 about 35 miles north of Wichita. Excel Industries was founded there in 1960 and manufactures Hustler and Big Dog mowing equipment.

-- (c) Associated Press 2016-02-27

[Lopchan]

WAIT! That's a false headline! According to some on Thai Visa, if a cop does something out of the ordinary, "Why should he be praised for just doing his job?" oh silly me, this is an 'muggigan cop, not a Thai so he's definitely a heeee-ro

Seriously though, I'm glad he stopped the carnage.

[Chalard]

U.S. Population - 323.314,342

Thailand Population - 68,082,473 (roughly 1/5 of the U.S.)

U.S. Gun related deaths per 100,000 = 3.5

Thailand Gun related deaths per 100,000 = 7.48

(2013 statistics)

So, a country with roughly one-fifth of the population of the U.S. has over twice as many gun related deaths.

You tell me which country has a "gun problem".

But, hey, it's always good to bash the U.S., even if you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

so there were 274 deaths from shootings alone every single day in Thailand - I don't believe it. Can you post your source please.

No it's only 14 people per day

[timendres]

I'm actually surprised when there isn't a daily mass shooting in the USA. I'm pretty sure it's accepted now as part of their culture considering they are never going to do anything about it.

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We are doing doing something about it. We are arming more citizens! For example, the new open carry law in Texas.

Violence is a part of the American psyche. Just look at our movies. You can't show two people making love, but you can show someone's head vaporized by gunfire.

America is a country defined by outliers. Along with extreme violence comes Hollywood, the iPhone, the Internet, landing men on the moon, and on and on.

The good comes hand-in-hand with the bad, and I believe you cannot eliminate one without eliminating the other.

Like it, not like it, up to you.