elviajero Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Thai immigration at a land border is quite likely to refuse to clear a long overstay. Usually, they will tell the traveler to exit through an airport, though arrest and deportation is an option for them. I agree, though, that there are many uncertainties. My post above is only an educated guess. Although it does not affect me, I find the possible implications of that logic worrying to say the least.Then again, I only overstayed 3 days in 7 years by mistake. Perhaps people overstaying years did not calculate this risk or cost to begin with when they thought it was cheaper to live on 20K for years. Even so, flying to their own countries and changing the passport in case of a long overstay will probably work out cheaper than anyone on all sorts of visa variations that did not want to overstay. It's completely logical that land borders would not let an overstayer leave. Any overstayer is supposed to be arrested, prosecuted and deported back to their home country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lkv Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) I did not say it was illogical, I said I find the implications of that logic worrying Thai logic used to function differently in the past. Actually we are using too much Western logic here. "No good". I was reading the other thread about LoS and how Thai people think in the News section. I find it fascinating. Edited March 2, 2016 by lkv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviajero Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I did not say it was illogical, I said I find the implications of that logic worrying Thai logic used to function differently in the past. I did not say that you said it was illogical Just commenting on why land borders might not let an overstayer leave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Lao Airlines are not cheap, so I hope the OP got a full refund for his flight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyjim5 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Lao Airlines are not cheap, so I hope the OP got a full refund for his flight! Being refused boarding would not necessarily trigger a refund if there was reason for the denial. Unless the OP read and understood All the terms and conditions associated with the ticket he most likely would be on very weak ground attempting to claim a refund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post willyumiii Posted March 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) Not sure that I follow Transam, after he checked in to fly out of the Kingdom his next contact with officialdom would be a Thai Immigration Officer who would have picked up that he was an over stayer and taken any appropriate action. She prevented the guy going to the IO, how is that doing her job? Maybe he had a return ticket and she was thinking that as an over stayer he wouldn't be allowed back in, which I don't think is the case. I can see many of these instances coming along during the next few weeks. No I didn't have a return ticket she was saying I would get refused at the airport in LaoI understand her logic I understand her logic. If you are a documented flake in Thailand trying to shirk your responsibility by leaving the country, Why would the people of Lao want you to be a flake there as well. I am assuming since she is a Lao citizen. Immigration has been Systematically cracking down on cheaters like fake ED visas and back to back to back tourist visas for a while now. Why have so many overstayers waited so long to clean up their act? I'm sorry, but overstayers on this forum acting like they are being abused when it is they who have abused the system and broken the law is getting very old. Edited March 2, 2016 by willyumiii 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phycokiller Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 fly to cambodia. did it yesterday and the immigration officer at don muang was actually apologetic and very nice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 We are all guessing here why the check-in staff of Laos Airlines took that action, ie refused to check the OP in, so let me add my own guess, based on the information so far provided by the OP in this topic: Somebody in the upper echelons of the Thai branch of Laos Airlines got the mistaken impression that the new Thai re-entry ban rules for overstayers took effect already on 1 March and gave preventive instructions to the staff to refuse check-in if it was evident or probable that a passenger with a ticket to Laos and an overstay of more than 30 days should not be checked in, because of the perceived risk that the passenger would turn around in Laos and fly back to Thailand, be denied entry by Thai immigration, and Laos Airlines would have to fly him somewhere, perhaps his home country, at their own expense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 If the OP had an onward ticket, would he have been allowed to fly? After all, if I try and fly from any country to Thailand, without a visa and without an onward ticket, I will be refused boarding and I'm certain Laos is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooHaa Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 book a flight with thai to laos or fly to penang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooHaa Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 something is wrong or being misinterpreted. i have never seen a check in attendant look past the first page of my passport. i suspect the lack of return is the issue, not sure why the op would not have booked a return. anyways as i have said, I would do penang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Let us hope this airline policy does not become widespread ahead of the implementation of the 20th March overstay/ban rules and an expected rush of people flying out and in with 20,000 baht in their pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiejoel Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I know this is not about why it happened, but from a ethical viewpoint, why should another foreign country let this guy into their country after he has blatantly broken the law in the country his is trying to leave? Not just a few days, but 1 year living illegally in another country! Then he turns up with a one way ticket asking to be let in. Any sensible country would say no thanks and stop him arriving. So why are we spending time trying to fix a problem the original poster created all by himself. The issue should be you knew you were doing something illegal and now people will not do what you want and help you. When you try to abuse the system then you hope others will stick to the system what do you expect? Sorry for your hassle but it's a case of it's your bed, you made it, you lie in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclipse Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I know this is not about why it happened, but from a ethical viewpoint, why should another foreign country let this guy into their country after he has blatantly broken the law in the country his is trying to leave? Not just a few days, but 1 year living illegally in another country! Then he turns up with a one way ticket asking to be let in. Any sensible country would say no thanks and stop him arriving. So why are we spending time trying to fix a problem the original poster created all by himself. The issue should be you knew you were doing something illegal and now people will not do what you want and help you. When you try to abuse the system then you hope others will stick to the system what do you expect? Sorry for your hassle but it's a case of it's your bed, you made it, you lie in it. Totally agree with you but at least he was trying to solve the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiang mai Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 something is wrong or being misinterpreted. i have never seen a check in attendant look past the first page of my passport. i suspect the lack of return is the issue, not sure why the op would not have booked a return. anyways as i have said, I would do penang. When you take a flight to Thailand from any country, the check in staff look to see if you have a visa (or an onward ticket). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCruncher Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 same thing, same airline happened to my friend last month and he had a member of immigration from where he lives in thailand with him (came in the taxi with him to the airport for a fee of course) he booked a flight to Singapore instead and got a thai visa there So an immigration officer traveled to the airport with a person which he knew was illegal in the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinat Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 "Posted 2015-09-22 20:01:18 Hi all, I have a friend from Pakistan, our school wants to help him with his visa and work permit. " - overstay and working illegally it seems. " I have a 1 year overstay" - Want to fly to Laos in the next few weeks to clear my overstay ( about 2 years) Seems your overstay is a lot longer than you told us on this post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sendintheclowns Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I know this is not about why it happened, but from a ethical viewpoint, why should another foreign country let this guy into their country after he has blatantly broken the law in the country his is trying to leave? Not just a few days, but 1 year living illegally in another country! Then he turns up with a one way ticket asking to be let in. Any sensible country would say no thanks and stop him arriving. So why are we spending time trying to fix a problem the original poster created all by himself. The issue should be you knew you were doing something illegal and now people will not do what you want and help you. When you try to abuse the system then you hope others will stick to the system what do you expect? Sorry for your hassle but it's a case of it's your bed, you made it, you lie in it. Totally agree with you but at least he was trying to solve the issue. Totally disagree - if OP was trying to solve the issue, he would have coughed up the 20k. That's known as the KISS principle. Whilst in hospital, just before my annual retirement visa extension date was about to expire, I sent my wife to ask for an extension of the expiry date. Phuket IO stamped my passport with an extended 90 day. Misreading this, we turned up 90 days later and the fine was 20,000 baht. Upset, of course, but I didn't complain to TV. That rule has been around for a while. I have empathy for those on TV who post that they are in difficulty due to circumstances beyond their control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclipse Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I know this is not about why it happened, but from a ethical viewpoint, why should another foreign country let this guy into their country after he has blatantly broken the law in the country his is trying to leave? Not just a few days, but 1 year living illegally in another country! Then he turns up with a one way ticket asking to be let in. Any sensible country would say no thanks and stop him arriving. So why are we spending time trying to fix a problem the original poster created all by himself. The issue should be you knew you were doing something illegal and now people will not do what you want and help you. When you try to abuse the system then you hope others will stick to the system what do you expect? Sorry for your hassle but it's a case of it's your bed, you made it, you lie in it. Totally agree with you but at least he was trying to solve the issue. Totally disagree - if OP was trying to solve the issue, he would have coughed up the 20k. That is what he was trying to do but was prevented from doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokKen Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Online check in? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Croc Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Laos, through their state owned airline, are quite entitled to refuse uplift to a dodgy traveller who has demonstrated a distain for the rule of law elsewhere. Many people here think overstaying is no big deal, and others have boasted about saving money by not doing border runs for many years. The 20,000b fine has little deterrent value for most. The upcoming ban on re-entry for overstayers will go some way to change the type of people who have long treated Thailand as a haven for criminal activity. There are inbuilt allowances in the new regulations for short term accidental or incidental overstay, but it is time for the others to seek fresher pastures to express their "freedoms." Thailand will never advance in status as long as it's borders are wide open for the crap of the world to flow through. Hopefully, those of us who live here legally will be harassed less often because of the activities of these others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little mary sunshine Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Good! Why did you overstay a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdecas Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Laos, through their state owned airline, are quite entitled to refuse uplift to a dodgy traveller who has demonstrated a distain for the rule of law elsewhere. Many people here think overstaying is no big deal, and others have boasted about saving money by not doing border runs for many years. The 20,000b fine has little deterrent value for most. The upcoming ban on re-entry for overstayers will go some way to change the type of people who have long treated Thailand as a haven for criminal activity. There are inbuilt allowances in the new regulations for short term accidental or incidental overstay, but it is time for the others to seek fresher pastures to express their "freedoms." Thailand will never advance in status as long as it's borders are wide open for the crap of the world to flow through. Hopefully, those of us who live here legally will be harassed less often because of the activities of these others. In general I agree that remaining legal as a guest in any country is a prudent rule to follow. However, you do your argument no service by indulging in hyperbole - how many times have you been "harassed"? In thirty years, I have not been "harassed" once. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Why do fools keep asking why do folks overstay. They ain't got the money and shouldn't have been let in.Those dam freeloading teacher kids mainly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfaroukh Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I think the new rule supposed to be from 1st March and not 21st, though not sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I think the new rule supposed to be from 1st March and not 21st, though not sure It is the 20th. Read this: New overstay rules.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jippytum Posted March 3, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2016 check in online and print a boarding pass with carry on baggage you can walk to immigration pay the fine and if OK board the flight . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfish Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 check in online and print a boarding pass with carry on baggage you can walk to immigration pay the fine and if OK board the flight .OUTSANDING Sent from my SC-01D using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviajero Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) I know this is not about why it happened, but from a ethical viewpoint, why should another foreign country let this guy into their country after he has blatantly broken the law in the country his is trying to leave? Not just a few days, but 1 year living illegally in another country! Then he turns up with a one way ticket asking to be let in. Any sensible country would say no thanks and stop him arriving. So why are we spending time trying to fix a problem the original poster created all by himself. The issue should be you knew you were doing something illegal and now people will not do what you want and help you. When you try to abuse the system then you hope others will stick to the system what do you expect? Sorry for your hassle but it's a case of it's your bed, you made it, you lie in it. Totally agree with you but at least he was trying to solve the issue. Totally disagree - if OP was trying to solve the issue, he would have coughed up the 20k. That is what he was trying to do but was prevented from doing so. He could have surrendered at the airport immigration office. Edited March 3, 2016 by elviajero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercman24 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 coming out of the woodwork now arn't they. just sayin !! 1 year overstay ? oh, it slipped my mind 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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