Tipping for 1 drink

[mcfish]

i ask because i like to go from bar to bar and have a quick look and a beer. kind of pub crawl

Walk from 711 to 711, no tips but you will get awfully drunk in under 1 mile

[SoiBiker]

Why should a business owner take a hit in his profits just because you think it's unfair? The other drinkers are paying a markup on their drinks too - that's what a bar is, a place that sells drinks at a rate that enables them to make money. If you don't like the prices they charge, go elsewhere.

I'm not against anybody making money and being successful in business, if I had a business brain I would put it to good use.

What I am against is greed and screwing the working class.

Now you're just being overdramatic. Nobody is screwing you. If you don't like the prices, don't pay them - that's your choice - but don't expect a business to accommodate your wishes without making a profit from you. It's not a charity.

You just don't get it do you, never mind we can just agree to disagree, you will get the backing of posters who have business's themselves

and will take as much money as they can, which of course is fine as long as the customer gets a fair deal.

I rather think I'll have the backing of anyone who understands how a bar works, as well as those who don't want to subsidise you by actually buying drinks while you sit there enjoying the entertainment, air con etc for free.

[robblok]

Possum,

You just have absolutely no business sense and no idea of what is fair.

Sure if you just look at the water and see a 400% markup you might think its greed. But if you look at how much the upkeep of a bar is and add that to the water bill not much is left for profit. People who never ever had a business have no idea of all the extra costs of a company always shout unfair.

You are the only one not seeing this here in the topic, surely that should tell you something.

Bars need to make a certain amount of money per person to stay profitable, if water was cheaper other customers would have to pay more. Because water drinkers drink less but use all the same services of the bar as the others who pay for more drinks. Would it be fair to up others bills who are already paying more on a whole evening to the bar as you so your water can be cheaper.

Just look at like this suppose they make 40 baht on a beer and 120 baht on a water. Beer drinkers drink on average 5 beers makes it 200 baht and water drinkers just 1,5 drink makes it 180 baht. To keep making a profit they have to make 190 baht (just as an example) then beer drinkers are already subsidizing water drinkers.

Its just simple economics a bar must make a certain amount of money per person to stay profitable and the high season must make up for the low season and so on and so on. If it was so profitable and easy to do everyone would open a bar and be rich. But in reality most people fail in the bar business (and many others)

And without knowing how much profit there is in the end its unfair to say they are overcharging. What if it makes 1.000.000 a year but the money invested was 50.000.000 then its only 2% return on investment. but you might look at the million and say.. wow so much money.. but would not look at the investment.

[SoiBiker]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12099760/TripAdvisor-York-Bennetts-cafe-owner-leaves-brilliant-response-to-one-star-review.html

[robblok]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12099760/TripAdvisor-York-Bennetts-cafe-owner-leaves-brilliant-response-to-one-star-review.html

Good find and so right, only if you do business do you know about all the hidden cost of doing business.

[StreetCowboy]

I think a lot of bars and restaurants under-mark-up water and soft drinks, to provide a bit of market segmentation - getting the business of people who can't afford a decent drink, in order to make a small contribution to overheads, and for the other products and services they might buy - food, for example, and for the goodwill of designated drivers, when a bunch of people are out drinking, and one has to stay sober.

[harleyclarkey]

I have rarely had any Thai say thanks for a tip.....generous or not.

One beer? Don't bother.

Why are those here who think you are a cheap Charlie if you don't tip? Tips are not a right.... except in the States where a stupid 25% is now not unusual.

Edited March 16, 2016 by harleyclarkey

[NoshowJones]

SB. I'm very happy to sit and have a couple of orange juices that I do not need to pay for and enjoy the entertainment and AC.

My friends are happy to buy them for me when I drive them to the bar, go on stage with the live band and sing and play bass with them.

At the end of the night, I drive them home again. I'm sure the bar owner will be happy with that situation. Now do what you usually do and keep chirping on with this debate, I'll be glad to accommodate you

and Robblok, you are obviously a business man, and unlike many others, give your customers a fair deal, I am only against the ones who don't whether being a bar owner or anything else.

[robblok]

SB. I'm very happy to sit and have a couple of orange juices that I do not need to pay for and enjoy the entertainment and AC.

My friends are happy to buy them for me when I drive them to the bar, go on stage with the live band and sing and play bass with them.

At the end of the night, I drive them home again. I'm sure the bar owner will be happy with that situation. Now do what you usually do and keep chirping on with this debate, I'll be glad to accommodate you

and Robblok, you are obviously a business man, and unlike many others, give your customers a fair deal, I am only against the ones who don't whether being a bar owner or anything else.

If you ripoff your customers in my opinion its not a sustainable business model. So I give my customers more then a fair deal.

[RedQualia]

If you do a search for "tipping in Thailand," or "tipping in Asia," you'll get tons and tons of results. My take: tipping wasn't a part of Asian culture for a very long time, and still isn't in most places, but it has been and is being imported here and there from other cultures where it may be expected and occur without thought. As a result, business models in some small parts of Asia may be changing to accommodate the practice. (Someone mentioned the idea that wait staff sometimes gets no salary aside from tips. I assure you this was not the case when tipping was not part of the business model.) Someone also stated that their Thai wife always tips. Perhaps she's intent on impressing everyone with her HiSo status? I don't know, but my Thai wife gets pretty angry with me in most cases when I think a tip would be called for. On the other hand, she often doesn't mind paying a higher advertised price for something. She just objects to the practice of tipping.

But no... Tipping in Asia isn't generally considered the norm. Tipping in Japan is, in fact, often considered rude and insulting (you can search for that as well).

Unless maybe you're a foreigner, sitting in Hooters or one of the Hillary's on Sukhumvit Soi 4, Big blank smile on your face, trying to make time with a bar girl ("Hello, my big big honey! Sick Buffalo! You help, please!"), maybe paying for it all with a foreign credit card and getting charged the bank's special 35% international interest rate, and their special currency exchange rate that's 80% of what you'd get for a cash exchange. Foreigners who pay too much without even thinking is a big part of the reason for the prices in tourist areas increasing at a quite rapid rate.

Note too, that charging a "service fee" of some 10% has become an increasingly standard practice in many places in Bangkok. They will also carve out a 7% VAT tax to be charged as well, thereby increasing your bill by 17%. Things to consider here: The majority of places around Thailand, and even in Bangkok, do not add a 10% service fee nor a 7% VAT, which means that places charging such fees have simply found a way to increase your bill by that amount. This 17% add-on may not even be mentioned anywhere until it's time for you to pay your bill, and then "surprise!" And finally(?), just because a place charges you a 10% "service fee," you should not assume it's shared with the staff. Your internet searches will also let you know that many times in Bangkok, it's kept by the restaurant itself. Which means that if you did get excellent service and feel it really does warrant a tip, you'll need to give even more directly to the staff to be sure that the staff member(s) actually get it.

Siem Reap (Cambodia) has changed almost 100% since it was designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site. Completely overrun with foreigners these days. No tipping at all there 15 years ago. Easy to imagine everyone there having come to expect a tip these days.

So how much to tip for one bottle of beer? "Nothing" is a very reasonable answer in a very great many places. Of course, that Hooter's expects you to tip generously, as does the wait staff there. Same at many places around Sukhumvit Soi 4, Soi 11, Soi 23, I'm sure. Watch out for mandatory service fees and added VAT.

[Ulic]

20 baht, whether I drink 1 beer or 4.

[champken]

The <deleted!> idiots that tip these ridiculous amounts have helped ruin Pattaya in my opinion. I only tip if ive had my nuts felt and that's a fact

[StreetCowboy]

The <deleted!> idiots that tip these ridiculous amounts have helped ruin Pattaya in my opinion. I only tip if ive had my nuts felt and that's a fact

I don't think 40 baht is a ridiculous amount - even for one beer.

I'm not sure which has done more damage, the tuk-tuks, the jet ski scams or over-tippers, but so far the police have patently failed to even pretend to take action against the over-tippers.

SC

[champken]

The <deleted!> idiots that tip these ridiculous amounts have helped ruin Pattaya in my opinion. I only tip if ive had my nuts felt and that's a fact

I don't think 40 baht is a ridiculous amount - even for one beer.

I'm not sure which has done more damage, the tuk-tuks, the jet ski scams or over-tippers, but so far the police have patently failed to even pretend to take action against the over-tippers.

SC

Really? Well you certainly seem to fit the description of the type I was referring to in my previous comment.

[Lowdown]

Funny guys, and nobody answered his question. Tipping in Thailand is absolutely voluntary unlike in Europe or the States where the employees are depended on the tip for income, here they have a living wage salary. The tip is also always divided among all employees, not just the person serving you. If you are happy give some, but many do not tip. I watch carefully Thai people and their habits to learn about the culture and watched several times a Thai man tip 20 Baht for a bill over 800 Baht.

[NoshowJones]

SB. I'm very happy to sit and have a couple of orange juices that I do not need to pay for and enjoy the entertainment and AC.

My friends are happy to buy them for me when I drive them to the bar, go on stage with the live band and sing and play bass with them.

At the end of the night, I drive them home again. I'm sure the bar owner will be happy with that situation. Now do what you usually do and keep chirping on with this debate, I'll be glad to accommodate you

and Robblok, you are obviously a business man, and unlike many others, give your customers a fair deal, I am only against the ones who don't whether being a bar owner or anything else.

If you ripoff your customers in my opinion its not a sustainable business model. So I give my customers more then a fair deal.

Yes, but there have been many successful businessmen, who have made their money on the backs of the working class

by making very high percentage mark ups. That is why there are so many self made millionaires who have family waiting

for them to die for inheritance purposes.

[StreetCowboy]

...

Yes, but there have been many successful businessmen, who have made their money on the backs of the working class

by making very high percentage mark ups. That is why there are so many self made millionaires who have family waiting

for them to die for inheritance purposes.

Can you name one?

[NoshowJones]

...

Yes, but there have been many successful businessmen, who have made their money on the backs of the working class

by making very high percentage mark ups. That is why there are so many self made millionaires who have family waiting

for them to die for inheritance purposes.

Can you name one?

Yes. Mike Ashley, owner of Newcastle united FC, and associated with Scotlands newest football club.

[ttthailand]

There is a place in Pattaya I go to sometimes that sells a beer for 55 baht. I will normally drink two and then go. 20 or even 40 baht is my normal tip. Up the street there is another place where some mates like that sell the exact same beer for 90 baht. I give 10 baht after a few beers. I try to keep a balance

[StreetCowboy]

...

Yes, but there have been many successful businessmen, who have made their money on the backs of the working class

by making very high percentage mark ups. That is why there are so many self made millionaires who have family waiting

for them to die for inheritance purposes.

Can you name one?

Yes. Mike Ashley, owner of Newcastle united FC, and associated with Scotlands newest football club.

What makes you think his family are in a hurry for him to die?

[HooHaa]

yes, 20 or 30 baht depending on the change i have coming. usaully to the girl herself, if in beer bar, though it has been ages since i have been in a bar.

i receive back the cash folder, leave the shrapnel behind and drop in a 20. its pretty much standard unless im eating in a higher end eatery and service has been epic

Edited March 17, 2016 by HooHaa

[NoshowJones]

What makes you think his family are in a hurry for him to die?

Because they were probably brought up to be as greedy as him.

[StreetCowboy]

What makes you think his family are in a hurry for him to die?

Because they were probably brought up to be as greedy as him.

So purely speculation, tinged perhaps with partisan resentment? I don't think you should allow that sort of petty grudge to influence your view on drink pricing and bar economics

[NoshowJones]

What makes you think his family are in a hurry for him to die?

Because they were probably brought up to be as greedy as him.

So purely speculation, tinged perhaps with partisan resentment? I don't think you should allow that sort of petty grudge to influence your view on drink pricing and bar economics

I just hate capitalism, this may sound contradictionary, but I suppose it's OK up to a point.

[StreetCowboy]

What makes you think his family are in a hurry for him to die?

Because they were probably brought up to be as greedy as him.

So purely speculation, tinged perhaps with partisan resentment? I don't think you should allow that sort of petty grudge to influence your view on drink pricing and bar economics

I just hate capitalism, this may sound contradictionary, but I suppose it's OK up to a point.

Capitalism is the corner-stone on which pensions are built. Without the ability to derive income from your savings, through return on capital. Socialism, with its principle from each according to their ability, to each according to their need, turns the elderly into dependant beggars, forever living on the scraps that the working population choose to leave for them (or alternatively, blood-sucking leeches, sucking the prosperity from the working man).

Socialists of today rely on capitalists as their tax base, and paradoxically, could not fund their welfare dreams without other people (the wealthy) to fund them.

So enjoy your water, and if you're not happy with the price of it, drink in the street

SC

[NoshowJones]

What makes you think his family are in a hurry for him to die?

Because they were probably brought up to be as greedy as him.

So purely speculation, tinged perhaps with partisan resentment? I don't think you should allow that sort of petty grudge to influence your view on drink pricing and bar economics

I just hate capitalism, this may sound contradictionary, but I suppose it's OK up to a point.

Capitalism is the corner-stone on which pensions are built. Without the ability to derive income from your savings, through return on capital. Socialism, with its principle from each according to their ability, to each according to their need, turns the elderly into dependant beggars, forever living on the scraps that the working population choose to leave for them (or alternatively, blood-sucking leeches, sucking the prosperity from the working man).

Socialists of today rely on capitalists as their tax base, and paradoxically, could not fund their welfare dreams without other people (the wealthy) to fund them.

So enjoy your water, and if you're not happy with the price of it, drink in the street

SC

Your last sentence had a bit of nastiness about it, I don't mind having a debate and do respect your opinion.

This debate is over.

[Skeptic7]

NEVER more than B20. B10 or even B5 is fine too, but not always handy. Overtipping is expected these days, even for the usual shitty service. Tipping is NOT mandatory and overtipping is stupid...unless the virtually nonexistent exceptional service is received. It RARELY is...

[StreetCowboy]

Your last sentence had a bit of nastiness about it, I don't mind having a debate and do respect your opinion.

This debate is over.

What I meant was that if you are not happy with the price of water in the bar, buy it in 7-11 (or Tesco, where it's even cheaper) and drink it in a public space

If you don't want to pay for the services of the bar, then don't. But don't expect to avail yourself of their services for the same or similar price as a convenience store or supermarket.

SC

Edited March 17, 2016 by StreetCowboy

[NoshowJones]

Your last sentence had a bit of nastiness about it, I don't mind having a debate and do respect your opinion.

This debate is over.

What I meant was that if you are not happy with the price of water in the bar, buy it in 7-11 (or Tesco, where it's even cheaper) and drink it in a public space

If you don't want to pay for the services of the bar, then don't. But don't expect to avail yourself of their services for the same or similar price as a convenience store or supermarket.

SC

Who said anything about paying the same price for water in a convenience store as in a bar?

I have paid more than double the price in a bar and had no quibble, but paying 7 or 8 times as much is taking the Pi$$.

Like I told Robblok, some businesses are fair and some are not. You have had my answer, now just drop it.

I do not like having debates when nastiness creeps in.

[StreetCowboy]

Quite often, when I'm out on my bike, I'll have an iced water, and normally, in the places I go, I won't get charged for it. But I also order a Pepsi and a pint of cider at the same time .... The main reason for the iced water is to avoid knocking the cider back too quick. The Pepsi is to give the water time to take effect. Some of the places have a 10% service charge, so I'll scoop everything but the shrapnel. If there's no 10%, I'll aim to leave a bit more than 10%, if the service has been good - and it usually is, in the places I go