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It is amazing how little the smirky, smug liberals and leftists on this thread know about what is really going on in America now and how little they understand what is driving this Populist Uprising. I can only laugh at the outdated viewpoint and analysis applied using tired old phrases. It is a full scale Revolt against the Obama Regime and the tired old boy club of the Republican Establishment who hate their own voters... And even with all the evidence right in front of their faces the Lib/Left will be shocked after the November Elections ... How did it happen? Their ignorance is amusing

And a further irony is, the Democrats hate their own voters too. I'm hoping the 2 major parties force out or marginalize both non establishment candidates and that they both run independent campaigns to make it a 4 person race. Oh, what fun that would be.

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And even with all the evidence right in front of their faces the Lib/Left will be shocked after the November Elections ... How did it happen? Their ignorance is amusing

How did all the lies, ridicule, riots and other Saul Alinsky tactics fail?

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a few fun facts about political voting:

Do you remember Martin O'Malley? He was the 3rd Democrat running to be the nominee, who withdrew after his disappointing third-place finish in Iowa. Yet got more total votes than some prominent Republican candidates, including Rand Paul (54,193), Chris Christie (51,683), Mike Huckabee (45,977), Carly Fiorina (34,040). In fact, the seventh-highest vote-getter for Republicans is "uncommitted" (64,981). That gives an indication of how turned-off Republican voters are at their choices.

Just yesterday, Romney said he will vote for Cruz in Utah, though he hinted he didn't even like Cruz, but was doing so to try and thwart Trump. Romney indicated he liked Kasich more, but figured Kasich didn't have a chance at getting the Rep nod.

Have you heard of Democrat candidate Roque "Rocky" De La Fuente, a Cadillac dealer and real-estate developer from San Diego? Neither had I, but get this: He's gotten more votes (32,583) than former Sen. Rick Santorum (15,256), current Sen. Lindsey Graham (5,202), former Gov. Jim Gilmore of Virginia (2,673), former New York Gov. George Pataki (1,701) and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (221) ....combined.
For all his grand talk of how he's getting so many people to vote, Trump has thus far garnered fewer votes overall than HRC. Here are the top 4 vote-getters in the primaries, to date:
Clinton 8,668,136
Trump 7,548,429
Sanders 6,131,951
Cruz 5,484,494
Clinton has over a million more votes, thus far, than Trump. The top two Dem candidates together have nearly 2 million votes more than the top two Rep candidates. And we haven't yet gotten to the more-liberal-than-average west coast states. Will these sorts of ratios translate to vote tallies in November? I don't think so. I think the sure-to-be-contentious general election will activate a lot more voters (than show up for caucuses) and will deliver a more lopsided Dem majority.

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Many of the American voters are angry. And when you are angry you hit out at the establishment. So you turn to an anti establishment figure which this time is Mr Trump. Will that anger carry him through to the nomination? Well I hope so because that makes it all the more entertaining and let's face it the republicans haven't got a viable candidate to turn to. At some point though people will have to wake up to the fact that Trump is nothing more than a windbag. A windbag that has plugged into the anger very effectively and knows how to press the buttons of hate. The other side of the coin is Clinton who will take the election by de-fault and not by any ability to move the US forward.

We had the same sort of thing in the UK when Thatcher was re-elected over again because the Labour party couldn't find an electable alternative. Even today the Labour party in the UK cannot field anyone electable which gives us another 4 years under yet another sub-standard government.

Things are no better in the EU who have made a complete pigs ear of things recently.

No wonder then that China is dominating the world's economy followed by the rise in India's fortunes. The world is changing and we all need to come to terms with that

Lol, thatcher was the best president you ever had after churchill.

Lady Thatcher was the best PM and Ronald Maximus was the last best President.

Donald Trump might not be a Great President but he's the best of the lot right now. Personally, I'd like to see Ted Cruz as POTUS but The Donald has a better chance to beat Clinton. smile.png

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It is amazing how little the smirky, smug liberals and leftists on this thread know about what is really going on in America now and how little they understand what is driving this Populist Uprising. I can only laugh at the outdated viewpoint and analysis applied using tired old phrases. It is a full scale Revolt against the Obama Regime and the tired old boy club of the Republican Establishment who hate their own voters... And even with all the evidence right in front of their faces the Lib/Left will be shocked after the November Elections ... How did it happen? Their ignorance is amusing

This "populist uprising" is largely confined to the Republican party. And even within the GOP, it's less than the majority. The rest of America is simply not as "angry" with their lot in life as these sad folks. I look forward to November when all this craziness will end and we start what will basically be a 3rd Obama term.

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a few fun facts about political voting:

For all his grand talk of how he's getting so many people to vote, Trump has thus far garnered fewer votes overall than HRC. Here are the top 4 vote-getters in the primaries, to date:
Clinton 8,668,136
Trump 7,548,429
Sanders 6,131,951
Cruz 5,484,494
Clinton has over a million more votes, thus far, than Trump. The top two Dem candidates together have nearly 2 million votes more than the top two Rep candidates. And we haven't yet gotten to the more-liberal-than-average west coast states. Will these sorts of ratios translate to vote tallies in November? I don't think so. I think the sure-to-be-contentious general election will activate a lot more voters (than show up for caucuses) and will deliver a more lopsided Dem majority.

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I shouldn't need to point this out, but that fact that Hillary has more votes than anyone else is pretty meaningless. She has more votes because the Democrats only have two candidates to vote for.

Also from the same source that you provided...

"Yes, she's gotten more votes than Donald Trump.

But the GOP has gotten more total votes because of its larger field of candidates. Republicans have shattered turnout records across the country this year, as NPR's Danielle Kurtzleben has reported."
She goes on to point our that Republicans have had 20.375 million votes compared to only 15.0 million votes cast for Democrats.She is wrong however saying the reason there have been more Republicans voting is because they had more candidates. That is just plain silly. They have more votes because the Republican voters are more engaged than Democrat voters this year...and that is all because of Trump.
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Most Arizonians actually like Mexicans. Just one example of blow-back from being overly exclusive: When AZ recently made laws more draconian for illegals, many businesses in and outside of AZ weren't happy. Phoenix's Convention Center lost most of its bookings. These are things Trump doesn't think through: His sweeping policy statements (like an added 45% tariff on imported items) will likely hurt Americans more than help them, while driving up cost-of-living.

Trump has been able to get an endorsement of an outspoken right-wing Mexican-hating police chief from Arizona. That's interesting, but doesn't reflect the majority of Arizonians, many of whom are Latino and friendly with Latinos. It's says a lot about Cruz's non-appeal, that Trump garners so much support among right-wingers. Kasich seems somewhat reasonable, but most Republicans are proving, with their votes, that they don't want someone reasonable, they want a divisive hot-head.

Well, I'm Hispanic, and I have to say every time I've visited AZ, can't say that I resonated with that majority that seem to like Hispanics, but I could be wrong.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio is an interesting guy. Racist, bigoted, probably, but Jorge Ramos had an interesting perspective on him when interviewed. He contrasted him with Trump, who at the infamous press interview had him ejected and refused to answer his questions. Arpaio on the other hand he said, is always available to interview, and while you might not like his opinions is at least man enough to debate them with you

Sanders' wife met Sheriff Joe and she seemed impressed...

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Chicog: Carson appeared on TV today claiming that there was no quid pro quo in their discussion. Although we may infer that a senior job will be forthcoming in return for Carson's support, Carson says that no specific employment in a future Trump administration was mentioned.

a future Trump administration

It's a laugh a minute here today.

Trump isn't going to make it through November after the Riot March of A Million to the Republican National Riot Convention in Cleveland in July.

Ohio National Guard is going to be very tied up and busy July 18, 19, 20, 21 -- Monday through Thursday.

Donald is in for a few bad hair dayze.

So's Governor John Kasich.

Speaker Paul Ryan is chairman of the convention so it's down the sh*tter for him too.

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Trump isn't going to make it through November after the Riot March of A Million to the Republican National Riot Convention in Cleveland in July.

The more that leftist wackos lie about Trump and try to shut down free speech, the more support he gets. I would not be at all surprised to see a President Trump.

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One delusional post after another. One would think Donald Trump actually has a chance of becoming President reading this nonsense...but it's the same wingnuts posting the same ole, same ole. Wow. Nutty stuff.

If I ever get completely delusional I hope the TG puts me down.

And I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Cleveland Browns win the Super Bowl. (Tch)

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The ugly violent left has no choice but to totally out its cover for action- the media and pols dissembling over leftist violence in America. Over recent years the ugly violent left has only shown shadows of its aggression. It had no need for more as numerous politicians steering the US socialist/left agenda of municipal, state, and federal government effectively acted as a strong arm for the radical left- IRS/applicants, DoJ/Not persecuting black Panthers, Deblasio/NYC antiCop, ATF/Guns for criminals, ad infinitum- they ran interference for the burgeoning radical constituency that was effectively becoming an army. The left had their violence obfuscated by their office holders and media.

With Trump rising all bets are off. Quite frankly, if Trump got into the white house there is no telling what he might do; all stops are out now! The risk is too great and HRC's negatives too great to take chances. Soros, always keen to stir violence in Thailand, HKG, Middle East, East Europe, Africa, Indonesia, etc., has turned his Open Society funds toward blacklivesmatter, Ferguson, MO, and other "fronts" for violence for some time now. Violence and trained aggression is fully game on in the US (they conduct training in civil disobedience). Right now, 19March16, streets are being blocked by Trump protesters to stop Freedom of Association and Trump's speech= Freedom of Speech. This trend continues and darkens. In America in 2016, unapproved speech is unacceptable speech.There are no rules in protesting the unacceptable.

Behind all the bluster of protesting Trump lurks the very real modern brownshirts, very real long-marchers, and very real national socialists determined that free speech and free association do not apply to those they disapprove of.

The word salad of the delusional wingnuts: the violent left, leftist violence, socialist/left agenda, radical left-IRS/applicants, burgeoning radical constituency, Soros, black lives matter, trained aggression, no rules in protesting the unacceptable and the icing on the cake: real modern Brownshirts.

Congrats arj, another masterpiece.

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Trump isn't going to make it through November after the Riot March of A Million to the Republican National Riot Convention in Cleveland in July.

The more that leftist wackos lie about Trump and try to shut down free speech, the more support he gets. I would not be at all surprised to see a President Trump.

Got it the first time thx smile.png

Still, you said it twice so saying it one more time means it will be true clap2.gif

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Trump the faux anti-globalist, anti-trader, has the world worried, no matter of some of you would bet your life that he will never be president.

Trump has also accused Japan of stealing jobs and criticized the U.S.-led 12-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership trade pact that Tokyo sees as vital for strategic as well as economic reasons.

"If you listen to his comments (on security), the United States would become isolated so I think there is great anxiety for allied countries," Itsunori Onodera, who served as defense minister under Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, told Reuters.

http://news.yahoo.com/trump-candidacy-stirs-alliance-angst-japan-020740466--business.html

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It is amazing how little the smirky, smug liberals and leftists on this thread know about what is really going on in America now and how little they understand what is driving this Populist Uprising. I can only laugh at the outdated viewpoint and analysis applied using tired old phrases. It is a full scale Revolt against the Obama Regime and the tired old boy club of the Republican Establishment who hate their own voters... And even with all the evidence right in front of their faces the Lib/Left will be shocked after the November Elections ... How did it happen? Their ignorance is amusing

This "populist uprising" is largely confined to the Republican party. And even within the GOP, it's less than the majority. The rest of America is simply not as "angry" with their lot in life as these sad folks. I look forward to November when all this craziness will end and we start what will basically be a 3rd Obama term.

This is interesting.

I have been thinking for the last month or so that there would be a 3rd Obama Term.

Clinton to be indicted and Trump to be struck down by a mystery illness / terrible accident.

Both events too occur very close to November, too late to do anything eles and give Obama a walk-in to the WH.

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It is amazing how little the smirky, smug liberals and leftists on this thread know about what is really going on in America now and how little they understand what is driving this Populist Uprising. I can only laugh at the outdated viewpoint and analysis applied using tired old phrases. It is a full scale Revolt against the Obama Regime and the tired old boy club of the Republican Establishment who hate their own voters... And even with all the evidence right in front of their faces the Lib/Left will be shocked after the November Elections ... How did it happen? Their ignorance is amusing

This "populist uprising" is largely confined to the Republican party. And even within the GOP, it's less than the majority. The rest of America is simply not as "angry" with their lot in life as these sad folks. I look forward to November when all this craziness will end and we start what will basically be a 3rd Obama term.

This is interesting.

I have been thinking for the last month or so that there would be a 3rd Obama Term.

Clinton to be indicted and Trump to be struck down by a mystery illness / terrible accident.

Both events too occur very close to November, too late to do anything eles and give Obama a walk-in to the WH.

That "accident" would be the hardest to solve since JFK. Here's just a partial list of the countries that have a real, present, deep financial and security interest in Trump disappearing...and soon.:

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June 7th is the final big date on the political calendar for primary or caucus voting but it's already an after thought to Super Tuesday I which wuz March 1st and Super Tuesday Junior on March 15.

Today's line out of Vegas on odds of the nominee of each party

HRC to win the Democratic party nomination has odds of 1-25 or the probability percentage of 96.1%

Donald Trump to win the Republican party nomination has odds of 1-4 or the probability percentage of 80% straight up.

To be elected 45th President of the United States November 8th 2016....

HR Clinton has odds of 4-11 or 73.3% (before March 15 she wuz at 66.7% probability)

Donald Trump has odds of 11-4 or 26.6% (a tiny tick up from 25%)

John Kasich has odds of 20-1 or 4.7%

Bernie Sanders has odds of 22-1 or 4.3%

Ted Cruz has odds of 28-1 or 3.4%

(In 2012 Barack Obama's odds of 1-5 and probability percentage peaked and remained at 83.3% from October 21st.)

Which Party will win, no names involved...

Democratic party has odds of 4-11 or 73.3% (oddly identical odds to those of HRC, which is truly a coincidence, really so)

Republican party has odds of 7-4 or 36.3%

To reiterate, odds are a futures market so there is probability involved. Still however....it looks decisively that one side has a future while the other side does not.

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The ugly violent left has no choice but to totally out its cover for action- the media and pols dissembling over leftist violence in America. Over recent years the ugly violent left has only shown shadows of its aggression. It had no need for more as numerous politicians steering the US socialist/left agenda of municipal, state, and federal government effectively acted as a strong arm for the radical left- IRS/applicants, DoJ/Not persecuting black Panthers, Deblasio/NYC antiCop, ATF/Guns for criminals, ad infinitum- they ran interference for the burgeoning radical constituency that was effectively becoming an army. The left had their violence obfuscated by their office holders and media.

With Trump rising all bets are off. Quite frankly, if Trump got into the white house there is no telling what he might do; all stops are out now! The risk is too great and HRC's negatives too great to take chances. Soros, always keen to stir violence in Thailand, HKG, Middle East, East Europe, Africa, Indonesia, etc., has turned his Open Society funds toward blacklivesmatter, Ferguson, MO, and other "fronts" for violence for some time now. Violence and trained aggression is fully game on in the US (they conduct training in civil disobedience). Right now, 19March16, streets are being blocked by Trump protesters to stop Freedom of Association and Trump's speech= Freedom of Speech. This trend continues and darkens. In America in 2016, unapproved speech is unacceptable speech.There are no rules in protesting the unacceptable.

Behind all the bluster of protesting Trump lurks the very real modern brownshirts, very real long-marchers, and very real national socialists determined that free speech and free association do not apply to those they disapprove of.

The word salad of the delusional wingnuts: the violent left, leftist violence, socialist/left agenda, radical left-IRS/applicants, burgeoning radical constituency, Soros, black lives matter, trained aggression, no rules in protesting the unacceptable and the icing on the cake: real modern Brownshirts.

Congrats arj, another masterpiece.

Worth re-posting.

Like a new day's dawning.

In contrast to the old day's dusk.

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Trump won't get the delegates he needs to win so this is going to the convention. Who knows what the out come will be.

Hillary may have taken the last 5 states but keep in mind that there is still just under half of the states left. If the states that already voted did so last and the remaining 24 had voted first Bernie would be in the lead now and not Hillary. Bernie needs 57 percent of the remaining votes to win. Is that possible, for sure !!!

Sorry. Bernie is finished. He can influence the platform. Deal with it.

While your comments are a near certainty ... I prefer not to give up hope until HILLARY wins enough delegates without the Super Delegates that while not likely , can theoretically still choose to vote for Bernie

While chances are near nothing... Does no harm to continue to hope the DNC comes to the senses

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It is amazing how little the smirky, smug liberals and leftists on this thread know about what is really going on in America now and how little they understand what is driving this Populist Uprising. I can only laugh at the outdated viewpoint and analysis applied using tired old phrases. It is a full scale Revolt against the Obama Regime and the tired old boy club of the Republican Establishment who hate their own voters... And even with all the evidence right in front of their faces the Lib/Left will be shocked after the November Elections ... How did it happen? Their ignorance is amusing

This "populist uprising" is largely confined to the Republican party. And even within the GOP, it's less than the majority. The rest of America is simply not as "angry" with their lot in life as these sad folks. I look forward to November when all this craziness will end and we start what will basically be a 3rd Obama term.

This is interesting.

I have been thinking for the last month or so that there would be a 3rd Obama Term.

Clinton to be indicted and Trump to be struck down by a mystery illness / terrible accident.

Both events too occur very close to November, too late to do anything eles and give Obama a walk-in to the WH.

w00t.gifw00t.gifcrazy.gifermm.gif

Okay there Nostradamus.

Looks like the moon's gravitational pull is only going to get stronger as the campaign goes deeper in.

Afraid to say, but apparently true.

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It is amazing how little the smirky, smug liberals and leftists on this thread know about what is really going on in America now and how little they understand what is driving this Populist Uprising. I can only laugh at the outdated viewpoint and analysis applied using tired old phrases. It is a full scale Revolt against the Obama Regime and the tired old boy club of the Republican Establishment who hate their own voters... And even with all the evidence right in front of their faces the Lib/Left will be shocked after the November Elections ... How did it happen? Their ignorance is amusing

This "populist uprising" is largely confined to the Republican party. And even within the GOP, it's less than the majority. The rest of America is simply not as "angry" with their lot in life as these sad folks. I look forward to November when all this craziness will end and we start what will basically be a 3rd Obama term.

This is interesting.

I have been thinking for the last month or so that there would be a 3rd Obama Term.

Clinton to be indicted and Trump to be struck down by a mystery illness / terrible accident.

Both events too occur very close to November, too late to do anything eles and give Obama a walk-in to the WH.

w00t.gifw00t.gifcrazy.gifermm.gif

Okay there Nostradamus.

Looks like the moon's gravitational pull is only going to get stronger as the campaign goes deeper in.

Afraid to say, but apparently true.

Typical MO of the Liberal Left whackjobs.

Attack the poster and ignore the content of the post.

Were you born that way or was it just something that you worked really hard at ?

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This "populist uprising" is largely confined to the Republican party. And even within the GOP, it's less than the majority. The rest of America is simply not as "angry" with their lot in life as these sad folks. I look forward to November when all this craziness will end and we start what will basically be a 3rd Obama term.

This is interesting.

I have been thinking for the last month or so that there would be a 3rd Obama Term.

Clinton to be indicted and Trump to be struck down by a mystery illness / terrible accident.

Both events too occur very close to November, too late to do anything eles and give Obama a walk-in to the WH.

w00t.gifw00t.gifcrazy.gifermm.gif

Okay there Nostradamus.

Looks like the moon's gravitational pull is only going to get stronger as the campaign goes deeper in.

Afraid to say, but apparently true.

Typical MO of the Liberal Left whackjobs.

Attack the poster and ignore the content of the post.

Were you born that way or was it just something that you worked really hard at ?

You wouldn't be addressing a poster directly now would you? Ignoring the point of the post??

Thought you'd said you didn't do that.

As has been pointed out by another poster in another post, Potus is constitutionally limited to two terms.

It applies absolutely, even to the Potus born to Muslim Brotherhood parents in Kenya and who as Potus is a 'Manchurian candidate' president promoting the 'ugly violent left' while protecting emails felons.

Fear not.

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^^^^

Uh Sarge,

What content? blink.png

Unless of course, you consider delusional, incoherent babble content...

Incoherent babble ? Only if you are delusional.

It is a fact that Clinton may well be indicted.

It is a fact that some strange things have happened in America. ( JFK to name but one )

It is a fact that the Constitution can, and has been amended in the past.

Unless of course, you know different.

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For many years longer than Trump's been a candidate (even before his 2008 run where HE WAS A LOSER rolleyes.gif ) I've noticed how Republicans always rail on and on about the merits of fair trade. If you go to study economics at U, they will tell you "the marketplace" will decide whether a product is good enough and priced fairly enough to become successful. However, there's a giant disconnect between what Republicans (and some Dems) say, and the rules they set forth. Republican congresspeople stick out more in the hypocrisy Dept. because they tend to be businessmen. As such, you'd expect them to stick with basic rules of doing business, such as no unfair advantages for some businesses. Yet, the way they manifest (in their personal biz dealings and via legislation initiatives) is 180 degrees opposed to basic fair trade concepts.

In other words: Republican businesses favor protectionism, high tariffs, bail-outs, heavy borrowing, crony favoritism, and socialist programs (like PIK). They also favor gov't contracts with which they can gouge the taxpayer (example: building bridges or developing weapons systems they know aren't needed). They also like programs which rip apart a good highway, in order to rebuild the same highway - in order to make jobs. Also: no-bid contracts, over-charging and wasteful spending are all Republican hallmarks.

Trump pretends he'll fix some of those things, but he won't. He preaches protectionism (45% import tariffs) and he loves borrowing as much money as possible. His Republican predecessor hand picked Goldman Sachs execs to arrange for 700 billion to get paid via TARP to bail out Wall Street and the Big 3 automakers. Trump would have pushed for 3 or 4 times that amount.

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Don't be silly Sarge.

#1. Clinton will not be indicted.

#2 Read the 22nd Amendment. (The provisions of term limit for the Presidency)

In your delusional mind, you percieve the scenario of first repealing an amendment and then, submitting a new one, and it being ratified by the end of the year.

Right.

Which by the way, has no bearing on anything. Mumbo Jumbo.

You do understand that there are others running for the Presidency, right?

"Trump to be struck down by a mystery illness / terrible accident."

I see you've since upgraded that one to assassination.

Prone to tangents aren't you?

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It is amazing how little the smirky, smug liberals and leftists on this thread know about what is really going on in America now and how little they understand what is driving this Populist Uprising. I can only laugh at the outdated viewpoint and analysis applied using tired old phrases. It is a full scale Revolt against the Obama Regime and the tired old boy club of the Republican Establishment who hate their own voters... And even with all the evidence right in front of their faces the Lib/Left will be shocked after the November Elections ... How did it happen? Their ignorance is amusing

This "populist uprising" is largely confined to the Republican party. And even within the GOP, it's less than the majority. The rest of America is simply not as "angry" with their lot in life as these sad folks. I look forward to November when all this craziness will end and we start what will basically be a 3rd Obama term.

This is interesting.

I have been thinking for the last month or so that there would be a 3rd Obama Term.

Clinton to be indicted and Trump to be struck down by a mystery illness / terrible accident.

Both events too occur very close to November, too late to do anything eles and give Obama a walk-in to the WH.

w00t.gifw00t.gifcrazy.gifermm.gif

Okay there Nostradamus.

Looks like the moon's gravitational pull is only going to get stronger as the campaign goes deeper in.

Afraid to say, but apparently true.

Typical MO of the Liberal Left whackjobs.

Attack the poster and ignore the content of the post.

Were you born that way or was it just something that you worked really hard at ?

Yes, liberal left whack jobs have a monopoly in this tactic..... Lol

This statement truly reveals what a partisan and ideological hack you truly are. People that make statements like this should never be taken seriously. It is all too clear your world view is black/white..... Left/right. Pathetic......

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Don't be silly Sarge.

#1. Clinton will not be indicted.

#2 Read the 22nd Amendment.

In your delusional mind, you percieve the scenario of first repealing an amendment and then, submitting a new one by the end of the year.

Right.

Which by the way, has no bearing on anything. Mumbo Jumbo.

You do understand that there are others running for the Presidency, right?

"Trump to be struck down by a mystery illness / terrible accident."

I see you've since upgraded that one to assassination.

Prone to tangents aren't you?

> 1. You know this how ? Pretty sure that there is an active investigation ongoing. You are the one who is stating that she will not be indicted. I am stating that there is a possibility that she will be indicted. Who is being silly ?

> 2. I do not need to read the 22nd Amendment. I said that the Constitution has been amended in the past. You ignore that part and throw in the 22nd Amendment. Who is being silly ?

> 3. I never mentioned assassination. You did. I said strange things have happened in America, using JFK as an example. Who is being silly ?

If there is anyone prone to tangents it is you.

Now, once again. Who is being silly ?

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