National Police Office Order 606/2006 Issused 09/2006 Valid From 10/2006

[punisher]

Hi everybody,was just reading the above mentioned police order,if u look under topic 2 7-18 it looks like there is no more prove of income neccesary for fathers of a Thaichild,to extend the Visa.Is that correct,does anybody has experince with that already?Thanks for comments or news

[huski]

Hi everybody,was just reading the above mentioned police order,if u look under topic 2 7-18 it looks like there is no more prove of income neccesary for fathers of a Thaichild,to extend the Visa.Is that correct,does anybody has experince with that already?Thanks for comments or news

not sure it can be read that way.

it seems to me like an 1 year extension of stay for direct family members of a current extension holder, but i could be wrong.

Reason of Necessary

7.18 In case of being a member of family of the person who has the residence in Thailand (Only for the father, mother, marriage couple, ordinary child, adopted child, or a child of the marriage couple) Each time of permission shall be granted for a period not exceeding 1 year.

Criteria

(1) Foreigner obtains VISA for the temporary stay and

(2) There is any proof of the relationship and,

(3) Incase of the marriage couple, the parties required to have both practical and legal relationship or,

(4) In case of the ordinary child, adopted child, child of the marriage couple, these person need to be single/never married and has never lived as a part of the family before, and shall not be older than 20 years old, or (5) In case of Father or Mother, the said father or mother shall be not younger than 50 years old.

List of Documents

1. Application form

2. Copy of passport of the applicant

3. Copy of passport of the foreigner who is granted permission to stay in Thailand.

4. Copy of documents showing the relationship such as the evidence of marriage, copy of birth certificate, evidence of the registration of ordinary child adoption, certificate of the registration of adopted child adoption or other papers issued by other related government sectors/organizations.

[Sunbelt Asia]

Hi everybody,was just reading the above mentioned police order,if u look under topic 2 7-18 it looks like there is no more prove of income neccesary for fathers of a Thaichild,to extend the Visa.Is that correct,does anybody has experince with that already?Thanks for comments or news

It in fact 7.17 Not 7.18 ( residence is if a foreigner has a permanent residence)

7.17 In case of the foreign national is the member of the Thai national’s family (Only for Father, Mother, Husband or Wife, ordinary child, adopted child or the child of the marriage couple.)

Each time of permission shall be granted for the period not exceeding 1 year.

Criteria

( 1) Foreigner obtains VISA for the temporary stay and

(2) There is any proof of the relationship and,

(3) In case of the marriage couple, the parties required to have both practical and legal relationship or,

(4) In case of the ordinary child, adopted child, child of the marriage couple, these person need to be single/never married and has never lived as a part of the family before, and shall not be older than 20 years old, or

(5) In case of Father or Mother, the said father or mother shall be not younger than 50 years old.

(6) In case of the applicant who is married to a Thai wife, one of them or both of them need to have the total annual income that is averaged out not less than 40,000 Baht per month. Except for the case that the said foreign national has entered Thailand before this Order is enforced and the foreign national has been permitted to stay in the Kingdom by the result of having married to a Thai wife, then if the applicant does not have the said income, then, the latest 3 months records of the account book of any Bank in Thailand with the account name of either or both parties need to have the amount of money not less than 400,000 Baht.

Required Doc's

Application Form

2. Copy of the passport of the applicant

3. Copy of the proof of relationship such as marriage evidences, birth certificate, certificate of child adoption registration, copy of census registration, certificate of adopted child adoption registration, or other papers issued by the related official organization or government agencies.

4. The evidences of having Thai nationality of the marriage couple, father, mother, ordinary child, or adopted child such as ID Card, census registration, or other papers issued by the related official organization or government agencies.

Then no funds in the bank required or income but the father must be over 50 years old.

Shocking but true. Surprised more people haven't mentioned it on Thaivisa as a number of fathers have been upset at Immigration, when told they couldn't get a extension, as they were not old enough.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

[Maestro]

Then no funds in the bank required or income but the father must be over 50 years old.

What if the foreign father meets both criteria

(5) over 50 years old

(6) and married to Thai wife?

Does he, if a new applicant, have to show proof of family income of minimum 40K?

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Maestro

Edited October 30, 2006 by maestro

[Sunbelt Asia]

Then no funds in the bank required or income but the father must be over 50 years old.

What if the foreign father meets both criteria

(5) over 50 years old

(6) and married to Thai wife?

Does he, if a new applicant, have to show proof of family income of minimum 40K?

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Maestro

No as long as he does not apply under 7.17(6) but 7.17(5)

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

[Maestro]

What if the foreign father meets both criteria

(5) over 50 years old

(6) and married to Thai wife?

Does he, if a new applicant, have to show proof of family income of minimum 40K?

No as long as he applies under 7.17(5)

Now that, I bet, is good news for a lot of married foreigners with children. Before: 800K in bank or 40K/month income. Now: no money in bank, no income required. Applicable only if you are over 50 years old.

Guys, just make sure that when you fill out your application for extension (TM.7) you spell it out in the field ‘Reason(s) for extension’: “to live with my Thai child, in accordance with Royal Thai Police Order No. 606/2549”, and for good measure bring with you a copy of that order, printed out from here on the website of the Thai Immigration Bureau in case the immigration officer should not be familiar with it. Make sure the URL gets printed too, as header or footer.

I see no maximum age for the father’s child specified and therefore think that 7.17(5) applies also to me:

– over 50 years old

– father of child of Thai nationality (child 25 years old)

– married to Thai wife, but this is not relevant to my application under 7.17(5) and does not have to be mentioned in the application

Just one possible complication in my case: my son lives outside Thailand. Does he have to accompany me for the application? Or is it enough to bring copies of his birth certificate and house registration, to prove relationship? Would an immigration officer want to come and visit me to see if I live together with my son? (If it gets too complicated, I follow my original plan of extension for retirement)

Sunbelt, how does it look for me?

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Maestro

Edited October 30, 2006 by maestro

[thaigene2]

As I said before. There is a HUGE Economist story or NY Times, etc. Easy to find many guys to interview - and their wives. Daddy has to go - boo, hoo! Shame on Thailand..

The Thai wives could do a Hong Kong style Wok-banging thing.

It will happen without doubt unless the govt takes this issue up. Just a matter of timing. You watch..

[rogerthecabinboy]

Shocking but true. Surprised more people haven't mentioned it on Thaivisa as a number of fathers have been upset at Immigration, when told they couldn't get a extension, as they were not old enough.

Was informed by your company earlier today about this ridiculous ruling. Just beyond belief.

I'm 33 years of age, live with my Thai girlfriend and 1 month old daughter in a townhouse here in bangkok. Currently on a tourist visa. Can't marry yet, not won't marry.

With regards the above quote. And then? Or is that end of story? What are the options please, if any?

Roger.

[Nikkijah]

Shocking but true. Surprised more people haven't mentioned it on Thaivisa as a number of fathers have been upset at Immigration, when told they couldn't get a extension, as they were not old enough.

Was informed by your company earlier today about this ridiculous ruling. Just beyond belief.

I'm 33 years of age, live with my Thai girlfriend and 1 month old daughter in a townhouse here in bangkok. Currently on a tourist visa. Can't marry yet, not won't marry.

With regards the above quote. And then? Or is that end of story? What are the options please, if any?

Roger.

Hi Roger, as far as I know you should be able to just apply for a NON-IMM O visa same as me, I have a child with my thai partner and the last time I applied for this 1 year(3 months per stay) visa it was granted with only a birth certificate of my child, obviously with me named as the father.

I got this visa in Penang and it cost me B5,000 for the year, you can also apply for a 3 month visa which costs B2,000...

[Maestro]

I'm 33 years of age, live with my Thai girlfriend and 1 month old daughter in a townhouse here in bangkok. Currently on a tourist visa. Can't marry yet, not won't marry.

What are the options please, if any?

It would make it easier to advise you if one knew how you earn your living.

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Maestro

[Nikkijah]

I'm 33 years of age, live with my Thai girlfriend and 1 month old daughter in a townhouse here in bangkok. Currently on a tourist visa. Can't marry yet, not won't marry.

What are the options please, if any?

It would make it easier to advise you if one knew how you earn your living.

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Maestro

It still shouldn't matter what you are doing here: living, working, relaxing. NON-IMM O visa for supporting a Thai child is given with proof that you are the father, PM sunbletasia for confirmation

[rogerthecabinboy]

Thanks alot for the response Nikkijah, I do hope you're right. I'll speak to sunbelt in the morning. Got a feeling that the October the 1st ruling might of changed things though.

Roger

[Sunbelt Asia]

Shocking but true. Surprised more people haven't mentioned it on Thaivisa as a number of fathers have been upset at Immigration, when told they couldn't get a extension, as they were not old enough.

Was informed by your company earlier today about this ridiculous ruling. Just beyond belief.

I'm 33 years of age, live with my Thai girlfriend and 1 month old daughter in a townhouse here in bangkok. Currently on a tourist visa. Can't marry yet, not won't marry.

With regards the above quote. And then? Or is that end of story? What are the options please, if any?

Roger.

Hi Roger, as far as I know you should be able to just apply for a NON-IMM O visa same as me, I have a child with my thai partner and the last time I applied for this 1 year(3 months per stay) visa it was granted with only a birth certificate of my child, obviously with me named as the father.

I got this visa in Penang and it cost me B5,000 for the year, you can also apply for a 3 month visa which costs B2,000...

Immigration has different criteria than any Thai Embassy/ Consulate outside Thailand. As a result, you can get a non immigrant "O" visa at an Embassy or Consulate. However if you want to get a extension of stay on that "O" visa inside Thailand at Immigration ( without needing to travel every 90 days) if the extension is based on you being a father than you must be over 50 years old.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

[Maximilian]

Thanks alot for the response Nikkijah, I do hope you're right. I'll speak to sunbelt in the morning. Got a feeling that the October the 1st ruling might of changed things though.

Roger

Can anybody elaborate on the +50 years rule for supporting a child ? I understand it differently.

Only the child should be less than 20 years, not married and staying with the family. The

age of the supporting "alien" father doesn't matter.

Max

[Sunbelt Asia]

Thanks alot for the response Nikkijah, I do hope you're right. I'll speak to sunbelt in the morning. Got a feeling that the October the 1st ruling might of changed things though.

Roger

Can anybody elaborate on the +50 years rule for supporting a child ? I understand it differently.

Only the child should be less than 20 years, not married and staying with the family. The

age of the supporting "alien" father doesn't matter.

Max

7.17. 5) In case of Father or Mother, the said father or mother shall be not younger than 50 years old.

This is how Immigration is interpreting the rule. The foreigner who like to get the extension must be older than 50 years old, if based on being the father or mother.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

[punisher]

Thanks alot for the response Nikkijah, I do hope you're right. I'll speak to sunbelt in the morning. Got a feeling that the October the 1st ruling might of changed things though.

Roger

Can anybody elaborate on the +50 years rule for supporting a child ? I understand it differently.

Only the child should be less than 20 years, not married and staying with the family. The

age of the supporting "alien" father doesn't matter.

Max

7.17. 5) In case of Father or Mother, the said father or mother shall be not younger than 50 years old.

This is how Immigration is interpreting the rule. The foreigner who like to get the extension must be older than 50 years old, if based on being the father or mother.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

Thanks Sunbeltasiagroup for the clarification,actually the new order is a good thing,but i better not comment the age restriction,it does'nt make sense to me,what is the difference between a 50yr old or 40yr old father of a child?means in my case[43yr old]i still can enjoy my trips with Airasia around SE Asia every 89days,spending alot of money outside Thailand,spending alot of money what i normally would spend for my daughter,I wonder since years why they let foreigner bring so much money out of the country,just think of the 1000Baht for a Cambodian Visa,all that money could stay in Thailand,but Amazing Thailand

[my benny rai]

Does this new rule apply if an alien male is married to a Thai female and they have an adopted child???

Thanks Sunbelt because I know you are always quick to answer.

[Sunbelt Asia]

Does this new rule apply if an alien male is married to a Thai female and they have an adopted child???

Thanks Sunbelt because I know you are always quick to answer.

7.17 In case of the foreign national is the member of the Thai national’s family (Only for Father, Mother, Husband or Wife, ordinary child, adopted child or the child of the marriage couple.)

Each time of permission shall be granted for the period not exceeding 1 year.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

[TerryLH]

"(4) In case of the ordinary child, adopted child, child of the marriage couple, these person need to be single/never married and has never lived as a part of the family before, and shall not be older than 20 years old, or (5) In case of Father or Mother, the said father or mother shall be not younger than 50 years old."

I'm confused. Usually am. I'm reading this differently.

It looks to me that the Mother and Father mentioned are the persons the foreigner is taking care of/supporting. Wouldn't that make more sense?

I'll try to remember to ask at immigration later this week.

Terry

[rogerthecabinboy]

So to break this down, as a father not married, and 33 years of age.

I can go to Singapore, Thai embassy. I take both birth certificates English and Thai (Originals or Copies?) and maybe some backup material, photos of family, baby and home. I apply for a non-imm o visa.

This will entitle me to 1 year, but on the basis that I will have to leave Thailand every 3 months. Basically border hopping, but less frequently. As I am under 50 I am not entitled to the 9 month extension that is provided in Thailand.

Have I understood that correctly?

I'm taking into account that this whole process is still a gamble.

Lastly if I have the non imm-o on this restricted basis, then has my status changed in any way or form from just a basic tourist visa?

Thanks ahead.

Roger

[huski]

Lastly if I have the non imm-o on this restricted basis, then has my status changed in any way or form from just a basic tourist visa?

Yes, you will be entering with a non-immigrant O and can apply for a one year extension of stay, work permit, driver's license, etc. (if you need)

[Cyberstar]

"(4) In case of the ordinary child, adopted child, child of the marriage couple, these person need to be single/never married and has never lived as a part of the family before, and shall not be older than 20 years old, or (5) In case of Father or Mother, the said father or mother shall be not younger than 50 years old."

I'm confused. Usually am. I'm reading this differently.

It looks to me that the Mother and Father mentioned are the persons the foreigner is taking care of/supporting. Wouldn't that make more sense?

I'll try to remember to ask at immigration later this week.

Terry

Have been thinking deeply over this way of interpreting - mainly because the one put forth throughout this thread sounds too good to be true and I don't see otherwise than the wording could be interpreted as you do. (at least as far as my understanding of the English language goes).

However, try to read the whole paragraph in one flow and "distribute" the word 'foreigner, throughout. That'll go like this:

7.17 In case of the foreign national is the member of the Thai national’s family (Only in case the foreigner is Father, Mother, Husband or Wife, ordinary child, adopted child or the child of the marriage couple.)

Criteria

Foreigner obtains VISA for the temporary stay and ... (parts irrelevant for the argument excluded) ... or (4) In case the foreigner is the ordinary child, adopted child, child of the marriage couple, the foreigner need to be single/never married and has never lived as a part of the family before, and shall not be older than 20 years old, or (5) In case the foreigner is Father or Mother, the said father or mother shall be not younger than 50 years old."

Considering the Thais' strong commitments towards taking care of their parents it does make a lot of sense that the poor, old pennyless father of a Thai national can get permit to stay in Thailand and be taken care of by his children.

[Sunbelt Asia]

"(4) In case of the ordinary child, adopted child, child of the marriage couple, these person need to be single/never married and has never lived as a part of the family before, and shall not be older than 20 years old, or (5) In case of Father or Mother, the said father or mother shall be not younger than 50 years old."

I'm confused. Usually am. I'm reading this differently.

It looks to me that the Mother and Father mentioned are the persons the foreigner is taking care of/supporting. Wouldn't that make more sense?

I'll try to remember to ask at immigration later this week.

Terry

Have been thinking deeply over this way of interpreting - mainly because the one put forth throughout this thread sounds too good to be true and I don't see otherwise than the wording could be interpreted as you do. (at least as far as my understanding of the English language goes).

However, try to read the whole paragraph in one flow and "distribute" the word 'foreigner, throughout. That'll go like this:

7.17 In case of the foreign national is the member of the Thai national’s family (Only in case the foreigner is Father, Mother, Husband or Wife, ordinary child, adopted child or the child of the marriage couple.)

Criteria

Foreigner obtains VISA for the temporary stay and ... (parts irrelevant for the argument excluded) ... or (4) In case the foreigner is the ordinary child, adopted child, child of the marriage couple, the foreigner need to be single/never married and has never lived as a part of the family before, and shall not be older than 20 years old, or (5) In case the foreigner is Father or Mother, the said father or mother shall be not younger than 50 years old."

Considering the Thais' strong commitments towards taking care of their parents it does make a lot of sense that the poor, old pennyless father of a Thai national can get permit to stay in Thailand and be taken care of by his children.

And that’s why they no longer require that foreign national (over 50 years old) to show money or income in the bank to stay in Thailand. The Thai child can support the father or mother.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

[touch]

"(4) In case of the ordinary child, adopted child, child of the marriage couple, these person need to be single/never married and has never lived as a part of the family before, and shall not be older than 20 years old, or (5) In case of Father or Mother, the said father or mother shall be not younger than 50 years old."

I'm confused. Usually am. I'm reading this differently.

It looks to me that the Mother and Father mentioned are the persons the foreigner is taking care of/supporting. Wouldn't that make more sense?

I'll try to remember to ask at immigration later this week.

Terry

Have been thinking deeply over this way of interpreting - mainly because the one put forth throughout this thread sounds too good to be true and I don't see otherwise than the wording could be interpreted as you do. (at least as far as my understanding of the English language goes).

However, try to read the whole paragraph in one flow and "distribute" the word 'foreigner, throughout. That'll go like this:

7.17 In case of the foreign national is the member of the Thai national’s family (Only in case the foreigner is Father, Mother, Husband or Wife, ordinary child, adopted child or the child of the marriage couple.)

Criteria

Foreigner obtains VISA for the temporary stay and ... (parts irrelevant for the argument excluded) ... or (4) In case the foreigner is the ordinary child, adopted child, child of the marriage couple, the foreigner need to be single/never married and has never lived as a part of the family before, and shall not be older than 20 years old, or (5) In case the foreigner is Father or Mother, the said father or mother shall be not younger than 50 years old."

Considering the Thais' strong commitments towards taking care of their parents it does make a lot of sense that the poor, old pennyless father of a Thai national can get permit to stay in Thailand and be taken care of by his children.

And that’s why they no longer require that foreign national (over 50 years old) to show money or income in the bank to stay in Thailand. The Thai child can support the father or mother.

www.sunbeltasiagroup.com

Irrespective of the age of the child?

Where can I find this in Thai?

Thanks'

/t