Racism and discrimination

[Paul Schoenkopf]

<removed name>, Chiang Mai

To whom it may concern;

We had been getting drinking water from "<removed name>" for the past 6 years and they became very unreliable. We tried to change to "<removed name>" because there is a restaurant directly across the street from our house who uses them and they deliver every Saturday to them. We called them and they delivered 3 large bottles of water as we requested and we paid them the deposit for each bottle at 80 baht plus the water at 20 baht totaling 300 baht. We showed the driver how to open the gate that is ALWAYS open during the day. We always leave the empty bottle on the front patio with the money under the bottle. The first Saturday we didn't need any as they delivered a few days before. The next Saturday we had one bottle out and they didn't deliver. I spoke to the restaurant across the street and they did deliver to them. The following Saturday I spoke to the owner of the restaurant and she said she would tell the driver that we need water. They didn't deliver to us. I asked the restaurant owner and she said she told the driver and he responded OK but did not deliver. I don't know if it's racism as I'm a farang or because we are a gay couple but this doesn't do well for a country that's looking for tourism and expats spending money in Thailand. It tells me that I'm not wanted.

Yours,

Paul Schoenkopf

<email removed>

Edited April 3, 2016 by Tywais
Email and name removed

[TheSiemReaper]

Lol. Yup, poor service in Thailand must be race hate or homophobia and couldn't possibly be the usual incompetence of a South East Asian supplier; oh no.

Some people love to make mountains from molehills don't they?

[Dante99]

Lighten up, getting drinking water is not a big deal, lots of options. Just do it and forget about being a farang and gay.

Take care of your own sheet, stop bothering the restaurant owner or you will defiantely be "not wanted."

[WinnieTheKhwai]

#FarangProblems

Edited April 3, 2016 by WinnieTheKhwai

[Jingthing]

On the macro level, we're not all that welcome here.

Our money is though.

You're just realizing that?

Nobody invited you to move to Thailand, right?

You invited yourself.

The 90 day address reports should be a clue.

On the water level, I tend to think it's a mixture of incompetence and a small order.

As far as racism, well it could be the workers feel a complaint from a foreigner isn't something they would worry about.

Homophobia in this case, I seriously doubt it.

Edited April 3, 2016 by Jingthing

[LivinLOS]

Nobody invited you to move to Thailand, right?

You invited yourself.

Tell that to my first wife..

[anto]

We leave the crate of empty bottles outside our gate ,with the money hidden under one of the bottles .If you can not do that in your area (we live in a gated community ) at least leave the empty bottle just inside the gate ,and not up the drive by your house .

[FolkGuitar]

Instead of complaining to third parties, have you considered ASKING THE COMPANY?

Just a guess on my part, but it seems to me that they might be able to do more about it than ThaiVisa posters...

[Tywais]

Email removed and company names removed as per forum rules. Naming and shaming is not allowed due to severe libel laws in Thailand.

[Jingthing]

Staff varies. Instructions given before may not be known by other staff.

[brommers]

Paul, can you and Nop not get a water filter installed? It saves all this hassle and obviates the need for storing water bottles. We have had one for years and it only needs an annual filter replacement and a check of the UV light. So much easier.

[jak2002003]

I have no idea how you could think this has anything to do with racism or homophobia.

Its just bad service.

Call the company and ask what the problem is with they delivery to you.

If they don't improve get another water company.

Get used to this sort of thing here.. its the norm.

From my experiences you will either get fantastic over the top good experiences or services.. or really bad annoying and frustrating experiences.... there seems little in the middle lol.

[trainman34014]

Water machines everywhere, 1 Baht per liter, fill the bottles yourself.

[connda]

It's a consumer issue, not a racial or 'life-style' issue. Vote with your feet. Cancel and find another vendor.

[lostinisaan]

Mr. Paul Schoenkopf, is it possible that you see ghosts on trees and witches flying on brooms at night?

What a bitchy first post, Mr. Paul Nicehead.

Edited April 3, 2016 by lostinisaan

[CMX]

As usual, I'm confused.

A. Paul has lived here for many years.

B. He's been the sponsor of the CMExpats activity arm 'dining out' group for many years

C. He may have had to simply re-join due to a lost access code?

D. I've never known him to launch any post such as this.

E. Does anybody know if he still posts those wonderful listing of coming cultural events? Concerts at Payap etc.??

F. If this is a survey of some sort, please list me in the clueless category.

As for that suggestion to use the machines, there was a thread that suggested that filters may not be replaced often enough; I may well have had problems with this.

[Jingthing]

As usual, I'm confused.

A. Paul has lived here for many years.

B. He's been the sponsor of the CMExpats activity arm 'dining out' group for many years

C. He may have had to simply re-join due to a lost access code?

D. I've never known him to launch any post such as this.

E. Does anybody know if he still posts those wonderful listing of coming cultural events? Concerts at Payap etc.??

F. If this is a survey of some sort, please list me in the clueless category.

As for that suggestion to use the machines, there was a thread that suggested that filters may not be replaced often enough; I may well have had problems with this.

Interesting.

It does sound like it may have been crafted to trash Mr. Paul.

As it's his first post, uses a real known name, and makes such a ridiculous charge (homophobia) over a water delivery issue.

Edited April 3, 2016 by Jingthing

[theDukes]

I have only one thing to say Paul, think of old fat Jewish women. Love them. OMG.

Have a good day.

Dave

[Jingthing]

I have only one thing to say Paul, think of old fat Jewish women. Love them. OMG. Have a good day. Dave

Suppose there is an inside joke there, but what does that have to do with the price of bottled water?

[uptheos]

"I don't know if it's racism as I'm a farang or because we are a gay couple"

Thai's aren't fussy who they do business with as long as they are getting money.

Don't be ridiculous.

[uptheos]

I have only one thing to say Paul, think of old fat Jewish women. Love them. OMG. Have a good day. Dave

Suppose there is an inside joke there, but what does that have to do with the price of bottled water?

Sounds like Dave's lost the plot, very strange.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

This hints at a huffy post about racism as well: http://www.chiangmai-mail.com/027/letters.shtml (Scroll down to 'Racism or not').

It's probably some saddo writing these things as 'Paul Schoenkopf'. I don't know him, but really nobody can be this daft can they? (Ok don't answer that.)

[lostinisaan]

This hints at a huffy post about racism as well: http://www.chiangmai-mail.com/027/letters.shtml (Scroll down to 'Racism or not').

It's probably some saddo writing these things as 'Paul Schoenkopf'. I don't know him, but really nobody can be this daft can they? (Ok don't answer that.)

No Paul, no cry.

[BwindiBoy]

If it's down to order size, why not get a little arrangement going with the restaurant and get them delivered there? Give them a small "brokerage" and everyone's (relatively) happy. :-)

[ilostmypassword]

As usual, I'm confused.

A. Paul has lived here for many years.

B. He's been the sponsor of the CMExpats activity arm 'dining out' group for many years

C. He may have had to simply re-join due to a lost access code?

D. I've never known him to launch any post such as this.

E. Does anybody know if he still posts those wonderful listing of coming cultural events? Concerts at Payap etc.??

F. If this is a survey of some sort, please list me in the clueless category.

As for that suggestion to use the machines, there was a thread that suggested that filters may not be replaced often enough; I may well have had problems with this.

Interesting.

It does sound like it may have been crafted to trash Mr. Paul.

As it's his first post, uses a real known name, and makes such a ridiculous charge (homophobia) over a water delivery issue.

I think you're right. Maybe someone is trying to out Paul in the mistaken belief that a significant portion of the readership here cares about his private life.

[Tywais]

As this is coming from a one post newbie that may or may not be the same person as in Chiang Mai Mail I prefer to error on the side of caution and close this topic.

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