Don’t let your kids backpack in Koh Tao – the clear message from the CH4 documentary

[Basil B]

Well this is the KohTao photo from last Sunday 17 APR 2016 -- maybe now with this 'clear message' the kids will all be gone by this next Sunday

Lots of booze...

Bet it is not 7/11 who profit from these booze orgies, some people are more worried about their bottom line than the odd murder on the island.

[Basil B]

Just watching it now http://www.channel4.com/programmes/murder-in-paradise/on-demand/62952-001 but you will need a uk proxy to see it ..

I think it's very important to remind all of the Thai computer laws regarding circumventing Thai web-blocking.

Using a proxy to circumvent Thai web-blocking is illegal under the current Thai computer censorship laws while in Thailand.

Don't get banged up as the Thai computer laws are in place and the Internet is being monitored.

Proxies are legal when used for privacy only, except when circumventing Thai web blocking, when used for fraud, and more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Thailand

Circumvention software (copied from the above link)

Software applications for circumventing web-blocking are readily available. Tor is in use through software including XeroBank Browser (formerly Torpark) and Vidalia, and a number of other proxied solutions including Proxify, Six-Four, phproxy are also used. Freenet is another popular solution. Available for free download from the Internet, these packages are also published on disk by FACT. The MICT minister has said in an interview in the Bangkok Post that he has not blocked these methods because "using proxies to access illegal sites are illegal, whereas using proxies to access legal sites is legal."

"Proxies are legal when used for privacy only, except when circumventing Thai web blocking, when used for fraud, and more"

So far as I know C4 has not been blocked or banned by the Thai authorities, it is just C4 probably for contractual reasons does not allow it programs to be downloaded overseas, therefore I see no issue ...other than the Thais may move the goal posts.

[DaveinAsia]

One needs to remember that the media in the UK, especially C4, is controlled by the extreme left, so anything that they produce needs to be consumed with a very large pinch of salt.

I guess it's better to watch the 'trustworthy and uncontrolled' SKY or BBC, hahaha. At least Ch4 deals with taboo subjects, they sponsor alternative media and films, broadcast the best HBO series and have the best British comedies that other prudish TV channels wont publish because of a few f's, b's or c's but I guess you are a mainstream guy or else you wouldn't classify Ch4 as extreme left, lol

[JHolmesJr]

Caught this via the Ch4 app last night…first time I saw the story pieced together instead of the drips I used to watch on social media earlier.

Makes you cringe how callous and incompetent the cops are …. for not securing the crime scene.

And how insensitive the mayor of ooh tao is….he ran his mouth for quite a while….the gist….farangs die of their own doing in thailand.

And the thug who first saw the bodies saying I was the first to see the bodies so of course Im part of the investigation team. Unreal.

[Jai Dee]

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[ukrules]

Just watching it now http://www.channel4.com/programmes/murder-in-paradise/on-demand/62952-001 but you will need a uk proxy to see it ..

I think it's very important to remind all of the Thai computer laws regarding circumventing Thai web-blocking.

Using a proxy to circumvent Thai web-blocking is illegal under the current Thai computer censorship laws while in Thailand.

Don't get banged up as the Thai computer laws are in place and the Internet is being monitored.

Proxies are legal when used for privacy only, except when circumventing Thai web blocking, when used for fraud, and more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Thailand

Circumvention software (copied from the above link)

Software applications for circumventing web-blocking are readily available. Tor is in use through software including XeroBank Browser (formerly Torpark) and Vidalia, and a number of other proxied solutions including Proxify, Six-Four, phproxy are also used. Freenet is another popular solution. Available for free download from the Internet, these packages are also published on disk by FACT. The MICT minister has said in an interview in the Bangkok Post that he has not blocked these methods because "using proxies to access illegal sites are illegal, whereas using proxies to access legal sites is legal."

The site is not blocked by the Thai government and it is not illegal. Channel4 block people from outside the UK from accessing their streaming online content.

TV companies do this because they often license their content on a country by country basis.

So there is no Thai web blocking in place here at all.

[GAZZPA]

After reading the posts in this content, it appears some may be circumventing Thai web-blocking with the use of proxy services.

I think it's very important to remind all of the Thai computer laws regarding circumventing Thai web-blocking.

Using a proxy to circumvent Thai web-blocking is illegal under the current Thai computer censorship laws while in Thailand.

Don't get banged up as the Thai computer laws are in place and the Internet is being monitored.

Proxies are legal when used for privacy only, except when circumventing Thai web blocking; when used for fraud and more.

Also, if you have a Thai retirement visa, it's in violation of your retirement visa laws to work in Thailand unless you have a work visa. That includes generating a cash flow

by computer while in Thailand if you are avoiding paying Thai tax. This even includes doing charity work! Many disagree, but I suspect they have not researched the Thai law

and consulted with a competent, licensed, Thai lawyer. I suspect many are using proxy services for the above.

Laws and policies change frequently, so if any of the above is incorrect, please let me know. However, I confirmed the above today as best as I could.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Thailand

Circumvention software (copied from the above link)

Software applications for circumventing web-blocking are readily available. Tor is in use through software including XeroBank Browser (formerly Torpark) and Vidalia, and a number of other proxied solutions including Proxify, Six-Four, phproxy are also used. Freenet is another popular solution. Available for free download from the Internet, these packages are also published on disk by FACT. The MICT minister has said in an interview in the Bangkok Post that he has not blocked these methods because "using proxies to access illegal sites are illegal, whereas using proxies to access legal sites is legal."

What has this got to do with the topic?

[mihalis]

I agree, don't come to Thailand. But....First and foremost, the country should examine the reasons people come to Thailand, Shopping, Partying, and Sex, not in any particular order. Other reasons have faded in these times of selfies and capitalism which has run rampant in Thailand, which includes all of our nasty habits. If anything, it's a case study of what happens when warped economics and self gratification runs amok.

Ahahahaha, don't come to Thailand.. Don't come to Australia where backpackers are bashed and murdered, where King hit deaths happen all to often.. Really, some people would be shocked by there own kids behaviour overseas..

[sweatalot]

Good that this report was made public

the book about Koh Tao should not be closed until the real murderers and their buddies are found and receive their deserved punishment

[Daffy D]

Available here:- <snip>

I don't think all the problems have done any harm to the Koh Tao image, in fact tragic as it may seem I think all this "bad" publicity will only enhance the appeal of the island for young backpackers.

These kids don't want to go to places like Phuket and Pattas that's full of boring old farts drowning in the sea or swimming pool or smashing their heads open by slipping in the shower in nightly drunken stupor or falling off balconies.

They are young kids and they want to have FUN FUN FUN (remember those days?)

The opening of the program shows all the beauty of Koh Tao with pristine clear waters white sandy beaches and wooden shacks perched on the hillside amongst lush green jungle, the sort of vision people dream about.

At night there are the never ending beach parties with loud disco music fire dances and of course the buckets of booze that they all share. A million miles from Brighton Beach.

Young kids are invincible (remember when you were a kid?) the fact that Koh Tao is an island and can only be reached by boat makes it a bit mysterious and as for the "Mafia" murders well it just adds to the thrill of it all.

And just to make it even more mysterious and exiting and THE place to go is their parents are advising against it.

Kids will be kids and this program is great publicity for the island.

Koh Tao will be on the bucket list of every red blooded kid on the planet.

[mihalis]

Forum should be called I hate Thailand ! 32 years of living and traveling here, met a lot of people and only issues Iv had is against foriegners with a death wish or thinking they are better.. Murders happen all over the world, Australia has a issues with bsckpackers being bashed and or raped, all swept under the carpet.. What about the USA friends have told me stories, my sister was chased by locals in Chicago luckily police station was near !! Thai bashers Ahahaha

[ianf]

This article is complete rubbish. So many details are incorrect it's rediculous.

Its nothing but a sensationalistic piece based off of previous articles in the news that were just as crappy as this effort. The whole premise that every bad story in the news about Koh Tao over the last 3 years being connected in some sort of a huge conspiracy sounds like a scooby doo plot. Scaremonger stupid Farang talk.

REDiculous? As in Red shirts?

[JHolmesJr]

There's a clip of three young brit girls early in it, where they say they knew hannah was killed in thailand…but they didn't know it was on the island and beach they were staying on.

These millennials!

[Jai Dee]

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[F4UCorsair]

I'm fascinated at how some posters are condemning some press for omitting 'facts' and being creative with/about 'facts', even 'making things up.'

What's the reference point? Other press reports??

They may have been playing fast and loose with the 'facts'.

The point I'm making is that we humans tend to believe what fits with our take on a situation, and worse, set out to discredit opposing points of view.

[TKDfella]

I have always said that if one is looking for a paradise holiday, forget it! I stand by what I have written here several times there is always a price to pay. To Some people, 'paradise' is a gambling holiday but my friends tell me that going to Las Vegas, the place takes your money one way of another after experiencing theft. Some like mountain climbing, 'great' said my friend as he returned home on crutches.

Koh Tao has now been in the News both in Thailand and abroad and like many murders elsewhere on this globe, I doubt that we will ever know the real truth. I doubt that continually having TV programmes will help now as the burden of proof will be on the Producer/Director and for Koh Tao, and unless something new turns up, that proof has probably long gone. Nor can it help the families who must suffer each time.

But most of us now know what can happen 'in paradise'.

[luckyman]

Good advice, a bit late though.

Secondly, not sure if it will be heard and whether it will save lives.

I guess we will find that out here, sadly, but hopefully not soon.

[luckyman]

who is pulling your strings wakw up and smell the coffee

This article is complete rubbish. So many details are incorrect it's rediculous.

Its nothing but a sensationalistic piece based off of previous articles in the news that were just as crappy as this effort. The whole premise that every bad story in the news about Koh Tao over the last 3 years being connected in some sort of a huge conspiracy sounds like a scooby doo plot. Scaremonger stupid Farang talk.

Nice 1 Dave, but some people live in denial and like it so much you will never wake them up, no coffee is strong enough 555

[JLCrab]

I sh_t on all of the farangs in the party photo from Kho Tao in this thread. Shame on them! I love the sea and diving as much as any one of these hipsters but you would have to chain me up drag me to this shithole. After all, we ALL know that the B2 murders have been a complete and utter cover up from the highest level of government and police down.

... and my guess would also be that each one in that photo from last week told multiple persons back home what a great time they had your choosing to 'soil' on such persons or not.

[chilli42]

could never understand why people in their twenties would want to come to LOS in the first place. the EU or the States are much more fun and do not have the draconian laws and are generally safer as well.

The US is safer?

[SoiBiker]

There's a clip of three young brit girls early in it, where they say they knew hannah was killed in thailandbut they didn't know it was on the island and beach they were staying on.

These millennials!

So?

The rest of the world doesn't follow Thai crime news as closely as bored expats on Thaivisa do. Big deal.

[JLCrab]

I doubt that the hard hitting investigative team would want to waste time trying to obtain Nok Air flight records, when they know that the chances of them ever being revealed are zilch.

If a hard-hitting investigative team wants to prove that someone, who claims he was not there at the time and place of the crime, actually was there at the time and place of the crime and quite likely directly involved in the crime itself but, after preparing an hour long documentary, cannot in any way show that the person who claims he was not there actually was there, then they must not be very hard-hitting, eh?

[BritManToo]

And the suicide? Completely ignores the suicide note written in French that addressed his relatives by name. I suppose the mafia has a crack team of polyglot handwriting forgers at their disposal.

The report I was reading said the note was in English.

[BritManToo]

could never understand why people in their twenties would want to come to LOS in the first place. the EU or the States are much more fun and do not have the draconian laws and are generally safer as well.

The US is safer?

It's safer for tourists on the beach in Florida, but not safer for gang bangers in inner city Detroit.

[Charlescharliechilds]

Whoever wrote this article isn't helping by making things up and omitting facts. For example, "One aspect that was not mentioned during the program was two other western women who had been mugged by four Thai men on motorbikes the evening before in the very same spot."

It was not mentioned because it isn't true at all. The murder was on the beach at a rocky outcrop- unless the men on motorbikes rode them into the sand it was definitely not the same place.

And the suicide? Completely ignores the suicide note written in French that addressed his relatives by name. I suppose the mafia has a crack team of polyglot handwriting forgers at their disposal.

Worst part of this case is the people cheering one side or the other like its a football match and completely ignoring evidence to the contrary.

What, there isn't a beach road, and the Frenchman had his hands tied behind his back, not easy to hang yourself in such a way. Do you work for the Koh Tao mafia?

[grumpyoldman]

Bottom line is there are some bad gangstas in Koh Tao, who can get away with whatever they like.

Travel there at your own risk, if female, pretty, blond 19-24 years old, you might consider going somewhere else. OUT.

[sidboy]

Caught this via the Ch4 app last night…first time I saw the story pieced together instead of the drips I used to watch on social media earlier.

Makes you cringe how callous and incompetent the cops are …. for not securing the crime scene.

And how insensitive the mayor of ooh tao is….he ran his mouth for quite a while….the gist….farangs die of their own doing in thailand.

And the thug who first saw the bodies saying I was the first to see the bodies so of course Im part of the investigation team. Unreal.

The thug you refer to (Mon), he wasn't the first person to see the bodies. Apparently the female Burmese beach cleaner was the first person to see the bodies. Maybe Burmese beach cleaners are not classed as 'people' in Thailand? The female beach cleaner is rumoured to now be dead. Murdered so I have read on other forums.

[DiscoDan]

Caught this via the Ch4 app last night…first time I saw the story pieced together instead of the drips I used to watch on social media earlier.

Makes you cringe how callous and incompetent the cops are …. for not securing the crime scene.

And how insensitive the mayor of ooh tao is….he ran his mouth for quite a while….the gist….farangs die of their own doing in thailand.

And the thug who first saw the bodies saying I was the first to see the bodies so of course Im part of the investigation team. Unreal.

The thug you refer to (Mon), he wasn't the first person to see the bodies. Apparently the female Burmese beach cleaner was the first person to see the bodies. Maybe Burmese beach cleaners are not classed as 'people' in Thailand? The female beach cleaner is rumoured to now be dead. Murdered so I have read on other forums.

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Rumor not fact big difference, you need to provide a link rather than spread BS

[KamalaRider]

Whoever wrote this article isn't helping by making things up and omitting facts. For example, "One aspect that was not mentioned during the program was two other western women who had been mugged by four Thai men on motorbikes the evening before in the very same spot."

It was not mentioned because it isn't true at all. The murder was on the beach at a rocky outcrop- unless the men on motorbikes rode them into the sand it was definitely not the same place.

And the suicide? Completely ignores the suicide note written in French that addressed his relatives by name. I suppose the mafia has a crack team of polyglot handwriting forgers at their disposal.

Worst part of this case is the people cheering one side or the other like its a football match and completely ignoring evidence to the contrary.

Agree, a very poor documentary.

Such as "shown footage Wai Phyo was dressed in long jeans, a T-shirt and a long sleeved ‘winter’ top. Odd attire considering the temperature at that time, especially when the 15+ other people in the room were wearing light clothes and T-shirts."

Most construction workers in Thailand dress this way, many even wear beanies..... heck even normal Thai office workers wear jackets in the office

So most points in the documentary were beaten to death in the papers, they just made it more dramtatic by introducing things that are irrelevant or has already been proven but they refuse/did not care to point it out to keep viewers on the edge of their seat

Wai Phyo worked in a restaurant, not as a construction worker and his choice of cloths were ACTUALLY very strange, considering the heat, humidity and his previous choice of clothing.

A lot of what the documentary pointed out are correct but maybe a little bit filtered.

Nothing has been proven up until now, everything is kept under covers, outsiders still don't know the truth apart from everyone who's followed the killings and rapes of multiple westerners during the last couple of years, knows that Koh Tao ISN'T safe for anyone to visit. There's not a single case who's been solved on KT in years.

[dunroaming]

According to some so called "insiders" less than 25% of what was filmed actually made it to broadcast. Severe editing was needed for the lawyers to allow it to be aired at all because so much of the "evidence " could not be substantiated.

The vast majority of the people who have followed events on Koh Tao have witnessed to gross cover-up and have a pretty good idea of the guilty parties and why they can walk free.