Yingluck hears state witnesses’ testimonies in rice pledging scheme

[baboon]

Her and her party robbed the country. The sad thing is they hurt the ones they were supposed to be helping which is the farmers. Look at the farmers now, in debt, having to take out loans which they will most likely not be able to pay back for the next 20yrs due to interest rates. Loan sharks are loving this as they will gain land and property from lack of payments. The rice scheme was the biggest F Up that Thailand has faced in a very long time. Of course all the farmers jumped on the band-wagon at the start because they did see some money and were promised more, it never came. I would like to see the court not only charge Yingluck with gross negligence but also find who else made a killing on this scheme. I am expecting that if they did it would lead to many Thai/Chinese families who basically have raped this country for the last 100 years.

What do you think the social and ethnic origin of this court might comprise of. Ethnic Malay, perhaps? The Thai Persians? Maybe one or two, but come on, man...

[yellowboat]

"Ms Yingluck said the team voiced concern about human rights and freedoms of speech and would like to see transparency"

Sounds like the kettle calling the pot black to me

Must be interesting for her to find out what was going on in her brother's pet scam.

Had she been impeached fairly instead of deposed, she would not garner so much attention in and outside of Thailand . Also, the junta's ineptness and heavy handedness plays in her and her brother's favor.

She wasn't deposed. She dissolved parliament just after vowing never to do so. She was subsequently removed from office by a court for abuse of power and nepotism. Her bother's political party which was governing in caretaker mode was then deposed in a coup.

The reason that interest is attracted is down to the PR experts and lobbyists who are doing their best to try and obscure the actual case with the HR and freedom of speech issues.

Yeah, It was a coup and the semantics you cling to are not how the EU or the US sees things.

[rubl]

You don't know anything and apparently didn't follow what was happening just prior to what you called deposed. Yl quit her position as PM. And had a 90 day stench as interim PM. She refused to leave that position when her 90 days were up quoting her hold to democracy. She wanted to hold on to her power any way she could once she saw even her own followers were turning against her. Since almost all she did while in office had nothing to do with democracy and the one and only thing which did "her being voted into it" her statement was a joke. You can't say you are democratic after showing no respect for democracy or its laws.

and lets no forget that Yingluck wanted to resign as caretaker PM but her loving brother said she would do jail time if she did.

Any source on it? She said it would be illegal for her to resign as it was written in the constitution that it was her duty to remain as caretaker PM until a new assembly is elected and a new government in place. I did not find your precise assertion. I also did not find any reference to the 90 days delay.

And again, dissolving the assembly and organising election is very far from "refusing to leave".

Not that this has anything to do with the topic of rice, but after the censure debate and before dissolving the House Ms. Yingluck stated a few times to want to do 'anything even resign' to end the protests.

As for what's written in the constitution, no one ever managed to point out the precise article which 'forced' poor Ms. Yingluck to stay on.

The remark about Thaksin not wanting Ms. Yingluck to resign or dissolve the house came from a bit earlier, 2013-11-12

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Thaksin-opposes-House-dissolution-and-Yinglucks-re-30219332.html

[Nickymaster]

"Ms Yingluck said the team voiced concern about human rights and freedoms of speech and would like to see transparency"

Sounds like the kettle calling the pot black to me

Must be interesting for her to find out what was going on in her brother's pet scam.

Had she been impeached fairly instead of deposed, she would not garner so much attention in and outside of Thailand . Also, the junta's ineptness and heavy handedness plays in her and her brother's favor.

Favor?? You are wrong. The international community (not that it is important) never commented on Yingluck's rice scam case. If they put the darling of Isan in jail nobody would care. Not many countries support corruption. In other words, dream on. Edited May 19, 2016 by Nickymaster

[yellowboat]

"Ms Yingluck said the team voiced concern about human rights and freedoms of speech and would like to see transparency"

Sounds like the kettle calling the pot black to me

Must be interesting for her to find out what was going on in her brother's pet scam.

Had she been impeached fairly instead of deposed, she would not garner so much attention in and outside of Thailand . Also, the junta's ineptness and heavy handedness plays in her and her brother's favor.

Favor?? You are wrong. The international community (not that it is important) never commented on Yingluck's rice scam case. If they put the darling of Isan in jail nobody would care. Not many countries support corruption. In other words, dream on.

Why are the EU and US representatives seeing her first and avoiding the junta ? Why would they even comment on such a bad idea ? Their concerns have to do with due process and fairness of an elected official who enjoys a huge following. If you think this present government will ever be missed, dream on .

Edited May 19, 2016 by yellowboat

[tomwct]

Her Brother Really screwed her this time! I wonder when she plans to Exit?

[Nickymaster]

"Ms Yingluck said the team voiced concern about human rights and freedoms of speech and would like to see transparency"

Sounds like the kettle calling the pot black to me

Must be interesting for her to find out what was going on in her brother's pet scam.

Had she been impeached fairly instead of deposed, she would not garner so much attention in and outside of Thailand . Also, the junta's ineptness and heavy handedness plays in her and her brother's favor.

Favor?? You are wrong. The international community (not that it is important) never commented on Yingluck's rice scam case. If they put the darling of Isan in jail nobody would care. Not many countries support corruption. In other words, dream on.

Why are the EU and US representatives seeing her first and avoiding the junta ? Why would they even comment on such a bad idea ? Their concerns have to do with due process and fairness of an elected official who enjoys a huge following. If you think this present government will ever be missed, dream on .

EU also met Abhisit. Then made comments on reform and humans rights. NOT on the rice scam case. If you know a little about diplomacy you would understand. Thailand will do whatever is necessary to punish corrupt politicians. In the hope people will learn from it. Nobody in the world can influence the Thai justice system. Just stop misleading posters. Edited May 19, 2016 by Nickymaster

[Nickymaster]

Her Brother Really screwed her this time! I wonder when she plans to Exit?

She had no choice. She uses her brother's ill-gotten money to live the high life.

[scorecard]

You don't know anything and apparently didn't follow what was happening just prior to what you called deposed. Yl quit her position as PM. And had a 90 day stench as interim PM. She refused to leave that position when her 90 days were up quoting her hold to democracy. She wanted to hold on to her power any way she could once she saw even her own followers were turning against her. Since almost all she did while in office had nothing to do with democracy and the one and only thing which did "her being voted into it" her statement was a joke. You can't say you are democratic after showing no respect for democracy or its laws.

and lets no forget that Yingluck wanted to resign as caretaker PM but her loving brother said she would do jail time if she did.

Any source on it? She said it would be illegal for her to resign as it was written in the constitution that it was her duty to remain as caretaker PM until a new assembly is elected and a new government in place. I did not find your precise assertion. I also did not find any reference to the 90 days delay.

And again, dissolving the assembly and organising election is very far from "refusing to leave".

Not that this has anything to do with the topic of rice, but after the censure debate and before dissolving the House Ms. Yingluck stated a few times to want to do 'anything even resign' to end the protests.

As for what's written in the constitution, no one ever managed to point out the precise article which 'forced' poor Ms. Yingluck to stay on.

The remark about Thaksin not wanting Ms. Yingluck to resign or dissolve the house came from a bit earlier, 2013-11-12

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Thaksin-opposes-House-dissolution-and-Yinglucks-re-30219332.html

And the irony is that she said many times 'I can't resign, I have to stay to protect democracy'.

[elgordo38]

She is being exposed to what is expected of public servants, responsiblity, honesty, acceptable practices by government employees, metods of doing business honestly, and your judged by the company you keep, etc.

Seems she missed this at her family home and from her family members. It may be possible that she will gain knowledge of the old saying, " your never too old to learn", "past sins come back to haunt you", "honesty is the best policy" and several other home spun saying that GOOD people live by.

I will not hold my breath, just going by past legal proceedings in this country, but where there is sunlight there is hope. And we have seen a few bright days in the past couple of years.

If the "honesty is the best policy" statement was applied to all politicians in the world we would be floating around rudderless or no politicians what so ever. My goodness what am I saying we are rudderless in all respects. Edited May 19, 2016 by elgordo38

[waza]

PHUKET: Caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra said yesterday she is ready to step down if the people want her out, but added that she had not discussed the possibility of quitting politics with her brother, ex-prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, or other members of her family.....
Yingluck was responding to reports in which Thaksin aide Noppadon Pattama quoted the former premier as saying he was ready to "sacrifice his family" by ending its political career so the country can emerge from the political impasse and move forward.[/background]
See more at: http://www.phuketgazette.net/thailand-news/Yingluck-offers-to-quit-Park-chief-probe-over-missing-activist-Four-dead-from-swine-flu/

[candide]

PHUKET: Caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra said yesterday she is ready to step down if the people want her out, but added that she had not discussed the possibility of quitting politics with her brother, ex-prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, or other members of her family.....

Yingluck was responding to reports in which Thaksin aide Noppadon Pattama quoted the former premier as saying he was ready to "sacrifice his family" by ending its political career so the country can emerge from the political impasse and move forward.[/background]

See more at: http://www.phuketgazette.net/thailand-news/Yingluck-offers-to-quit-Park-chief-probe-over-missing-activist-Four-dead-from-swine-flu/

I checked on the Internet and she effectively said she was ready to resign if....

And the "if" is important. She always stressed 2 conditions. One was that protesters (understand Suthep) would stop protesting as a consequence, which Suthep never accepted. The other was that it should be lawful, which excluded an unlawfull solution such as a self-appointed "government by the people for the people" à la Suthep (which explains why Suthep would never have stopped protesting).

[yellowboat]

And the irony is that she said many times 'I can't resign, I have to stay to protect democracy'.

It is not ironic at all. She was an elected official being deposed by the military. And look what happened after she was deposed: attitude adjustments, suspension of freedom of speech, Article 44 and military courts. Farangs who cheer on the junta are the greatest hypocrites.

[rubl]

PHUKET: Caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra said yesterday she is ready to step down if the people want her out, but added that she had not discussed the possibility of quitting politics with her brother, ex-prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, or other members of her family.....

Yingluck was responding to reports in which Thaksin aide Noppadon Pattama quoted the former premier as saying he was ready to "sacrifice his family" by ending its political career so the country can emerge from the political impasse and move forward.[/background]

See more at: http://www.phuketgazette.net/thailand-news/Yingluck-offers-to-quit-Park-chief-probe-over-missing-activist-Four-dead-from-swine-flu/

I checked on the Internet and she effectively said she was ready to resign if....

And the "if" is important. She always stressed 2 conditions. One was that protesters (understand Suthep) would stop protesting as a consequence, which Suthep never accepted. The other was that it should be lawful, which excluded an unlawfull solution such as a self-appointed "government by the people for the people" à la Suthep (which explains why Suthep would never have stopped protesting).

So first you stressed she said it was illegal for her to resign and now you say she was 'ready if"

Now the 'illegal' part has never been pinpointed to a law or to an article in the constitution.

The "if's":

2013-12-03

"And, Yingluck, in a press briefing on Monday, said she is willing to accept any legitimate resolution, but expressed concern that protesters led by Suthep Thaugsuban, a former deputy prime minister, were unwilling to resolve the issue in a manner consistent with the country’s laws.

“If there's anything I can do to bring peace back to the Thai people I am happy to do it,” Yingluck said, according to the Post. “The government is more than willing to have talks, but I myself cannot see a way out of this problem that is within the law and within the constitution."

...

However, she added that if “House dissolution or my resignation can make the demonstrators end their protests, I’m willing to do it.”"

2013-12-09

"Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra said Tuesday she would not resign ahead of national elections set for Feb. 2, despite opposition demands she step down as the caretaker head of government."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/thailand-pm-yingluck-shinawatra-won-t-resign-before-elections-1.2457705

2013-12-10

""I must do my duty as caretaker prime minister according to the constitution," she said, adding: "I have retreated as far as I can - give me some fairness.""

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-25296578

Seems the 'ifs' were quickly forgotten just like the 'legally impossible to resign'

Well, at least Ms. Yingluck has a chance to hear all about her wonderful 'self-financing' RPPS in court. Most may be new to her, assuming she was negligent and ignorant.

[rubl]

And the irony is that she said many times 'I can't resign, I have to stay to protect democracy'.

It is not ironic at all. She was an elected official being deposed by the military. And look what happened after she was deposed: attitude adjustments, suspension of freedom of speech, Article 44 and military courts. Farangs who cheer on the junta are the greatest hypocrites.

Actually she was a caretaker PM who convicted of 'conflict of interests' was forced to resign (legally) by court.

Of course that's something a few posters here like to forget. Just like some like to forget that Ms. Yingluck is having fun in court again being brought up-to-date on how wonderful her RPPS was.

[yellowboat]

And the irony is that she said many times 'I can't resign, I have to stay to protect democracy'.

It is not ironic at all. She was an elected official being deposed by the military. And look what happened after she was deposed: attitude adjustments, suspension of freedom of speech, Article 44 and military courts. Farangs who cheer on the junta are the greatest hypocrites.

Actually she was a caretaker PM who convicted of 'conflict of interests' was forced to resign (legally) by court.

Of course that's something a few posters here like to forget. Just like some like to forget that Ms. Yingluck is having fun in court again being brought up-to-date on how wonderful her RPPS was.

Yes, that has been the semantics used for the past few years, but every news paper all over the world calls it a coup and not a legal removal of a prime minister. Why, because the military took charge. Keep trying to keep explain it away though. We all know the courts in Thailand are not subject to the military and Article 44. ;-)

[rubl]

And the irony is that she said many times 'I can't resign, I have to stay to protect democracy'.

It is not ironic at all. She was an elected official being deposed by the military. And look what happened after she was deposed: attitude adjustments, suspension of freedom of speech, Article 44 and military courts. Farangs who cheer on the junta are the greatest hypocrites.

Actually she was a caretaker PM who convicted of 'conflict of interests' was forced to resign (legally) by court.

Of course that's something a few posters here like to forget. Just like some like to forget that Ms. Yingluck is having fun in court again being brought up-to-date on how wonderful her RPPS was.

Yes, that has been the semantics used for the past few years, but every news paper all over the world calls it a coup and not a legal removal of a prime minister. Why, because the military took charge. Keep trying to keep explain it away though. We all know the courts in Thailand are not subject to the military and Article 44. ;-)

You mean 'politically motivated' I guess? Well, that's what some try to make others believe. After all elite of the right kind have such privileges as being unaccountable.

BTW at the time of Ms. Yinglucks sentencing we didn't have article 44 yet. Mind you, Ms. Yingluck had called for 'State of Emergency' and kept it for months. Her handpicked MoFA even suggested the military declare Martial Law so an election could be held democratically.

Pity really that so much has been stated in public. Can work against you.