Does the labor dept. checks resume?

[Marcel1]

Stupid I know but when I came here almost 6 years ago I was happy to run into a company which wanted to provide me with a job and work permit.

The only problem was that I didn't worked or studied in the exact line of the company and therefore my boss and I changed my resume because he said it would be easier to get a work permit approval if I had experience in the line of work. That time I didn't think anything of it and he wouldn't check my references anyway since he made them up. No problems with the job and working permit and everything was fine.

Never really gave it a thought until recently I am starting to get unmotivated at my current workplace and am looking around for something else. Of course I want to be honest to an potential new employer and I have good experience in other fields which I want to show in my resume.

When I looked up my resume the other day I remembered that we had altered it when I applied for my working permit. This leaves me wondering whether the labor dept. will check on this. Like when I can get a new job and the new company will have to change my working permit and submit all the documents including my resume, is there a change that they will find two different resumes and not issue my working permit??

I am slightly worried by my stupid mistake from some years ago. I was young and never thought about the consequences it might lead to.

(No I am not a teacher of any sorts, it is about an office job)

[ubonjoe]

They will not check the previous work permit application to check that that the resume matches a previous one. Resumes can differ dependent upon the job you are applying for.

[Crossy]

Nope. It's up to your employer to check references and qualifications (teachers are apparently different).

In these days of readily modified documents it's not unusual to "adjust" your CV to fit with the position applied for, I do it all the time. No outright lies of course, just modify to stress the plus points for the position.

[Marcel1]

Sounds good, thanks guys.

[carlyai]

Nope. It's up to your employer to check references and qualifications (teachers are apparently different).

In these days of readily modified documents it's not unusual to "adjust" your CV to fit with the position applied for, I do it all the time. No outright lies of course, just modify to stress the plus points for the position.

Not too sure teachers are different.

When i first started teaching at an international school in bangkok about 25 years ago, it was the assistant principal who checked my degree etc.

Edited May 20, 2016 by ubonjoe
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[Autonuaq]

They will not check the previous work permit application to check that that the resume matches a previous one. Resumes can differ dependent upon the job you are applying for.

as stated by udonjoe is nearly correct.

they will check to the with the information have got from you and about you. In general this is not the case that they check against what they have.

the check the work permit and the employer to check the rest.

Just know they keep everything you provide to them and share it to places and departments you not expect the have your information.

Google and Bing can learn from them.

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Edited May 20, 2016 by Autonuaq

[Shatian]

Does the labor department check resumes? No. That is not a requirement in their documents list so they don't ask. It is the employer who asks for a resume.

[Koosdedooes]

Does the labor department check resumes? No. That is not a requirement in their documents list so they don't ask. It is the employer who asks for a resume.

Actually thats not true either, Labour does have a copy of your resume and its compared to the job descrption submitted by the employer so in some respects they do check it

If an indivdual claims to be a brain surgeon working for one company and then pops up with a new company claiming to be a finacial whizz kid for another company...questions will be asked

[chrisinth]

Does the labor department check resumes? No. That is not a requirement in their documents list so they don't ask. It is the employer who asks for a resume.

Actually thats not true either, Labour does have a copy of your resume and its compared to the job descrption submitted by the employer so in some respects they do check it

If an indivdual claims to be a brain surgeon working for one company and then pops up with a new company claiming to be a finacial whizz kid for another company...questions will be asked

I think it may be your information that is wrong.

I have never submitted either resume or CV for my work permits.

[blackcab]

Does the labor department check resumes? No. That is not a requirement in their documents list so they don't ask. It is the employer who asks for a resume.

Actually thats not true either, Labour does have a copy of your resume and its compared to the job descrption submitted by the employer so in some respects they do check it

If an indivdual claims to be a brain surgeon working for one company and then pops up with a new company claiming to be a finacial whizz kid for another company...questions will be asked

You are wrong. Immigration either has a copy of your education certificates or a completed determination form that they supply and a company director completes and signs.

[Ballbearing]

I recently obtained a WP to work as a Quality Co-ordinator.

This is for heavy mining machinery manufactured in Thailand (and other SE Asian countries) and then transported by ship to Australia.

My role has always fallen under "Engineering" but when my employer tried to classify me as an engineer (as there was no other applicable classification) they stated based on my resume showing I do not have a degree I could not be classified under engineering.

They have put me under "Power Transmission" on my WP despite the fact I have nothing to do with power stations.

The thing I find a bit confusing is I earn 10 x what a degree qualified Thai engineer earns but that apparently was not acceptable,

Cheers,

BB

[Koosdedooes]

I recently obtained a WP to work as a Quality Co-ordinator.

This is for heavy mining machinery manufactured in Thailand (and other SE Asian countries) and then transported by ship to Australia.

My role has always fallen under "Engineering" but when my employer tried to classify me as an engineer (as there was no other applicable classification) they stated based on my resume showing I do not have a degree I could not be classified under engineering.

They have put me under "Power Transmission" on my WP despite the fact I have nothing to do with power stations.

The thing I find a bit confusing is I earn 10 x what a degree qualified Thai engineer earns but that apparently was not acceptable,

Cheers,

BB

And that would be correct, legally and in many countries the term "engineer" requires the person to have an Engineering/Science degree and sometimes a legal registration before they can use that "title" or job descriptor

Thailand has "registered" Engineers, and one has to be "registered" and approved by the Thai Engineering council as there is legal and professional accountability which comes with that registration.

there are western degree'd design engineers working in Thailand, who cannot sign off on things like design calculations as they are not registered with the Thai engineering council, and the final signature from a legal stand point comes from a Thai registered Engineer,

BTW this is not unique to Thailand, therefore in terms of the WP, they would be classed as "designers" not "design engineers" as such, other countries do exactly the same its not unique to Thailand.

Professionally this is no different from the expat lawyers operating in Thailand, they may be qualified lawyer from whence they came, but they cannot practice law in Thailand and act as "consultants" in Thailand and their WP will state "consultant or similar" not "lawyer"

In terms of your work permit the company should have applied for you as a "technical specialist - Inspection/QA/QC" - which can mean anything the company wants it to mean.

the amount of money one gets paid is irrelevant in this discussion

[Ballbearing]

I recently obtained a WP to work as a Quality Co-ordinator.

This is for heavy mining machinery manufactured in Thailand (and other SE Asian countries) and then transported by ship to Australia.

My role has always fallen under "Engineering" but when my employer tried to classify me as an engineer (as there was no other applicable classification) they stated based on my resume showing I do not have a degree I could not be classified under engineering.

They have put me under "Power Transmission" on my WP despite the fact I have nothing to do with power stations.

The thing I find a bit confusing is I earn 10 x what a degree qualified Thai engineer earns but that apparently was not acceptable,

Cheers,

BB

And that would be correct, legally and in many countries the term "engineer" requires the person to have an Engineering/Science degree and sometimes a legal registration before they can use that "title" or job descriptor

Thailand has "registered" Engineers, and one has to be "registered" and approved by the Thai Engineering council as there is legal and professional accountability which comes with that registration.

there are western degree'd design engineers working in Thailand, who cannot sign off on things like design calculations as they are not registered with the Thai engineering council, and the final signature from a legal stand point comes from a Thai registered Engineer,

BTW this is not unique to Thailand, therefore in terms of the WP, they would be classed as "designers" not "design engineers" as such, other countries do exactly the same its not unique to Thailand.

Professionally this is no different from the expat lawyers operating in Thailand, they may be qualified lawyer from whence they came, but they cannot practice law in Thailand and act as "consultants" in Thailand and their WP will state "consultant or similar" not "lawyer"

In terms of your work permit the company should have applied for you as a "technical specialist - Inspection/QA/QC" - which can mean anything the company wants it to mean.

the amount of money one gets paid is irrelevant in this discussion

Koosdedooes,

Thanks for the response.

The whole scenario has been a real eye-opener for me(and as I said in a previous post, not sure if a Thai WP is even required as I work in China for a Thai company).

The Thai agency used by my employer had my job title as Used Furniture Salesman ??? until my wife reviewed the form and told me what was written in Thai.

And my photo in my WP was photoshopped to show me in a suit and tie ???

Cheers,

BB

[Koosdedooes]

I recently obtained a WP to work as a Quality Co-ordinator.

This is for heavy mining machinery manufactured in Thailand (and other SE Asian countries) and then transported by ship to Australia.

My role has always fallen under "Engineering" but when my employer tried to classify me as an engineer (as there was no other applicable classification) they stated based on my resume showing I do not have a degree I could not be classified under engineering.

They have put me under "Power Transmission" on my WP despite the fact I have nothing to do with power stations.

The thing I find a bit confusing is I earn 10 x what a degree qualified Thai engineer earns but that apparently was not acceptable,

Cheers,

BB

And that would be correct, legally and in many countries the term "engineer" requires the person to have an Engineering/Science degree and sometimes a legal registration before they can use that "title" or job descriptor

Thailand has "registered" Engineers, and one has to be "registered" and approved by the Thai Engineering council as there is legal and professional accountability which comes with that registration.

there are western degree'd design engineers working in Thailand, who cannot sign off on things like design calculations as they are not registered with the Thai engineering council, and the final signature from a legal stand point comes from a Thai registered Engineer,

BTW this is not unique to Thailand, therefore in terms of the WP, they would be classed as "designers" not "design engineers" as such, other countries do exactly the same its not unique to Thailand.

Professionally this is no different from the expat lawyers operating in Thailand, they may be qualified lawyer from whence they came, but they cannot practice law in Thailand and act as "consultants" in Thailand and their WP will state "consultant or similar" not "lawyer"

In terms of your work permit the company should have applied for you as a "technical specialist - Inspection/QA/QC" - which can mean anything the company wants it to mean.

the amount of money one gets paid is irrelevant in this discussion

Koosdedooes,

Thanks for the response.

The whole scenario has been a real eye-opener for me(and as I said in a previous post, not sure if a Thai WP is even required as I work in China for a Thai company).

The Thai agency used by my employer had my job title as Used Furniture Salesman ??? until my wife reviewed the form and told me what was written in Thai.

And my photo in my WP was photoshopped to show me in a suit and tie ???

Cheers,

BB

If your in China and never work in Thailand, you don't need a Thai WP...suspect you would need what ever the equivalent is in China these days, the last time I worked in China was many moons ago, there were no work permits or work visa's.

So not sure what the Thai company is playing at...

The photo shop suit and tie for the photo had that done to me as well...its common

Edited May 24, 2016 by Koosdedooes

[Ballbearing]

I am in a strange position and nobody in Thailand has been able to give me (or my employer who is a good friend) a definitive answer.
I am not working in China per se, I am acting as a consultant.
Where we have become lost is the Thai revenue laws state a non - resident must pay tax on income from sources in Thailand.
I reside in Thailand but as per the 180 days I am classed as a non-resident.
My employer is Bangkok based so I presume that "income from sources in Thailand" is applicable to me.
If I have to pay tax I need a WP.
If I was paid to an offshore account there would be no problem but my boss has only just started his company and he is concerned with any irregularities that may attract the attention of the Thai authorities.
Any advice greatly appreciated,
Cheers,
BB

[bubba1]

I am in a strange position and nobody in Thailand has been able to give me (or my employer who is a good friend) a definitive answer.

I am not working in China per se, I am acting as a consultant.

Where we have become lost is the Thai revenue laws state a non - resident must pay tax on income from sources in Thailand.

I reside in Thailand but as per the 180 days I am classed as a non-resident.

My employer is Bangkok based so I presume that "income from sources in Thailand" is applicable to me.

If I have to pay tax I need a WP.

If I was paid to an offshore account there would be no problem but my boss has only just started his company and he is concerned with any irregularities that may attract the attention of the Thai authorities.

Any advice greatly appreciated,

Cheers,

BB

Dont be an employee. Just ask them to give you a purchase order and work as a contractor.

[Koosdedooes]

I am in a strange position and nobody in Thailand has been able to give me (or my employer who is a good friend) a definitive answer.

I am not working in China per se, I am acting as a consultant.

Where we have become lost is the Thai revenue laws state a non - resident must pay tax on income from sources in Thailand.

I reside in Thailand but as per the 180 days I am classed as a non-resident.

My employer is Bangkok based so I presume that "income from sources in Thailand" is applicable to me.

If I have to pay tax I need a WP.

If I was paid to an offshore account there would be no problem but my boss has only just started his company and he is concerned with any irregularities that may attract the attention of the Thai authorities.

Any advice greatly appreciated,

Cheers,

BB

I suppose thing is your employer has taken the cautious route not having the definitive answer and gotten you the WP which is a good thing, but to be honest if your not physically working in Thailand you don't need the WP from an immigration/Labour office point of view, the taxation thing is something else and yes can see where that may get messy as regards the 180 day rule and income tax on Thai sourced revenue in your case.

If your acting as a consultant in China for a Thai company, wouldn't it be easier to set up your own company in say HK or Sing and your company in HK/Sing invoice the Thai company for services rendered in China ? and that will get you round the income tax thing in Thailand as its companies invoicing each other ?

ie "Ballbearing consulting Ltd HK" and invoice through that ?

[Koosdedooes]

I am in a strange position and nobody in Thailand has been able to give me (or my employer who is a good friend) a definitive answer.

I am not working in China per se, I am acting as a consultant.

Where we have become lost is the Thai revenue laws state a non - resident must pay tax on income from sources in Thailand.

I reside in Thailand but as per the 180 days I am classed as a non-resident.

My employer is Bangkok based so I presume that "income from sources in Thailand" is applicable to me.

If I have to pay tax I need a WP.

If I was paid to an offshore account there would be no problem but my boss has only just started his company and he is concerned with any irregularities that may attract the attention of the Thai authorities.

Any advice greatly appreciated,

Cheers,

BB

Dont be an employee. Just ask them to give you a purchase order and work as a contractor.

its not as simple as that, unless one has a legal entity and invoices as a company, even with a PO he would still be paying income tax as an individual, this only works it one is invoicing company to company

[Ballbearing]

Will look into the advice regarding setting up a company in HK.

Thanks for the assistance,

Cheers,

BB

[Koosdedooes]

Will look into the advice regarding setting up a company in HK.

Thanks for the assistance,

Cheers,

BB

Given your working in China and HK is part of China, maybe Singapore a better option or BVI possibly ?..just a thought..

ie your working in China for a Thai company, being paid from Thailand back into "China" might be messy ?...a company structure completely divorced from both Thailand and "China" may be better..

[bubba1]

I am in a strange position and nobody in Thailand has been able to give me (or my employer who is a good friend) a definitive answer.

I am not working in China per se, I am acting as a consultant.

Where we have become lost is the Thai revenue laws state a non - resident must pay tax on income from sources in Thailand.

I reside in Thailand but as per the 180 days I am classed as a non-resident.

My employer is Bangkok based so I presume that "income from sources in Thailand" is applicable to me.

If I have to pay tax I need a WP.

If I was paid to an offshore account there would be no problem but my boss has only just started his company and he is concerned with any irregularities that may attract the attention of the Thai authorities.

Any advice greatly appreciated,

Cheers,

BB

Dont be an employee. Just ask them to give you a purchase order and work as a contractor.

its not as simple as that, unless one has a legal entity and invoices as a company, even with a PO he would still be paying income tax as an individual, this only works it one is invoicing company to company

Paying income tax where? There is not any work performed in Thailand. China is a different issue his concern is about Thailand.

[Koosdedooes]

I am in a strange position and nobody in Thailand has been able to give me (or my employer who is a good friend) a definitive answer.

I am not working in China per se, I am acting as a consultant.

Where we have become lost is the Thai revenue laws state a non - resident must pay tax on income from sources in Thailand.

I reside in Thailand but as per the 180 days I am classed as a non-resident.

My employer is Bangkok based so I presume that "income from sources in Thailand" is applicable to me.

If I have to pay tax I need a WP.

If I was paid to an offshore account there would be no problem but my boss has only just started his company and he is concerned with any irregularities that may attract the attention of the Thai authorities.

Any advice greatly appreciated,

Cheers,

BB

Dont be an employee. Just ask them to give you a purchase order and work as a contractor.

its not as simple as that, unless one has a legal entity and invoices as a company, even with a PO he would still be paying income tax as an individual, this only works it one is invoicing company to company

Paying income tax where? There is not any work performed in Thailand. China is a different issue his concern is about Thailand.

As he stated "My employer is Bangkok based so I presume that "income from sources in Thailand" is applicable to me."

could become the problematic one...

hence the reason one invoices company to company..then he is not employed by a company in Bangkok, he is employed by his company in HK, Singapore or where ever he chooses the company to be, his company is providing services to a Thai company in China, he is not providing the service as an individual or "employee" therefore one can say with certainly there are no possible personal income tax issues as regards Thailand were he resides.

Never heard of the panama papers ?....why do you think people were setting up all these offshore companies ?

[theoldgit]

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