Memorial for late Vietnamese leader Ho Chi Minh opened in Nakorn Panom

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Memorial for late Vietnamese leader Ho Chi Minh opened in Nakorn Panom

NAKORN PANOM, 20 May 2016 (NNT) – Representatives of Thai and Vietnamese government officials jointly opened a memorial for the late Vietnamese leader Ho Chi Minh in Nakorn Panom, marking his 126th birthday anniversary.

The memorial for the revered founder of modern Vietnam commemorates the 40th anniversary of its diplomatic relations with Thailand.

Nguyen Van Nen, chief of Vietnam's Central Committee's Office, led a Vietnamese delegation from Hanoi to co-preside over the ceremony.

Uncle Ho used to spend his life here in the late 1920s while struggling for Vietnam's independence. He had a safe house in Nakorn Panom's Ban Na Chok village and lived there from 1928-1929.

The Vietnamese community in Thailand preserved the house as his memorial and built a friendship village there as a tourist attraction years ago.

Vietnamese Communist Party chief Nguyen Phu Trong offered a 45 million baht grant to the Thailand-Vietnam Association while the Thai government donated five rai of land for the complex.

The Nakorn Panom provincial authorities planned to use the memorial as a symbol of long relations between Thailand and Vietnam and as the tourist spot.


-- NNT 2016-05-20

[deckape]

I think Ho Chi Minh spent some time in Korat back in the day...

[happy Joe]

Uncle Ho was the perfect symbol of valiant who prevail over the strong.

Today Vietnam is the small free and independent for having resist to his invaders:

- Japanese

- Chinese

- French

- US like always...

Well done Thailand in order to sublimate this model.

[sharecropper]

Uncle Ho was the perfect symbol of valiant who prevail over the strong.

Today Vietnam is the small free and independent for having resist to his invaders:

- Japanese

- Chinese

- French

- US like always...

Well done Thailand in order to sublimate this model.

And they also deposed Pol Pot and the evil Khmer Rouge, a(nother) bunch of fascist, inward-looking, dangerous nutters.

[Stray]

Uncle Ho was the perfect symbol of valiant who prevail over the strong.

Today Vietnam is the small free and independent for having resist to his invaders:

- Japanese

- Chinese

- French

- US like always...

Well done Thailand in order to sublimate this model.

Not wanting to divert from the original topic but are you suggesting that none of the above countries, you mention, ruled over Vietnam/North Vietnam/South Vietnam/Indochina?

[Prbkk]

Uncle Ho's struggle may have been valiant and his cause legitimate. That legitimacy did not justify the mass executions, the victimisation of the innocent, the reign of terror perpetrated by his successors an undertaken in his name.

[Stray]

By the way, the name of the country, Viet Nam, is a clue as to where the people originally came from.

The southern Viet people, from China.

[JingerBen]

Uncle Ho's struggle may have been valiant and his cause legitimate. That legitimacy did not justify the mass executions, the victimisation of the innocent, the reign of terror perpetrated by his successors an undertaken in his name.

The reign of terror that came down on Vietnam in the 1960s and '70s was inflicted by the USA - not Ho Chi Minh.

[Assurancetourix]

Not exactly Khun Stray;

" nam " means also the number " five "

and viet = people viet, like people french or english or german;

nam means the south of China , and not from China .

I'm not a vietnamese people but was living there during many years; forgot a little bit the language ( more than a little bit ) but can speak sometimes with thai people who are living in my province, Sakon Nakhon .

In Nakon Phanom there is a big clock , a gift from vietnamese people living abroad ( Viet Kieu )

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Largest Ho Chi Minh memorial site overseas inaugurated in Thailand
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The commemorative site for President Ho Chi Minh in Nachok village, Muang district (Photo: VNA)

Bangkok (VNA) – The largest commemorative site for President Ho Chi Minh outside Vietnam was inaugurated in Nachok village, Muang district, in Thailand’s northeastern province of Nakhon Phanom on May 19, the date of the late President’s birthday.

The event was attended by more than 3,000 people from high-ranking delegations of the Vietnamese Party, the Government, the Vietnam Union of Friendship Associations, the Vietnamese Embassy in Thailand, representatives from the Thai Foreign Ministry, Thai people and Vietnamese expats in Thailand.

Construction on the 12,000 square metre site began on March 28, 2014.

At total cost of 50 million Thai baht (1.4 million USD), 45 million Thai baht of which was donated by Party General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong during his visit to the Thai-Vietnamese Friendship Village in 2013.

Full story: http://en.vietnamplus.vn/largest-ho-chi-minh-memorial-site-overseas-inaugurated-in-thailand/93484.vnp

-- Vietnam Plus 2016-05-20

[Prbkk]

Uncle Ho's struggle may have been valiant and his cause legitimate. That legitimacy did not justify the mass executions, the victimisation of the innocent, the reign of terror perpetrated by his successors an undertaken in his name.

The reign of terror that came down on Vietnam in the 1960s and '70s was inflicted by the USA - not Ho Chi Minh.

Well, in fact it was both. Not a black and white situation.

[terryw]

Most young Vietnamese have great respect for Ho Chi Minh. However, anyone on this forum who thinks that he would be happy to see how Vietnam has developed, should consider why are thousands of young Vietnamese doing their best to get out of the country to work and study abroad.

[macksview]

real bandit country during the ctp days.

many people, of the father in laws generation on the border, detest ho.

he lost good friends fighting the ctp.

[Kiwiken]

Most young Vietnamese have great respect for Ho Chi Minh. However, anyone on this forum who thinks that he would be happy to see how Vietnam has developed, should consider why are thousands of young Vietnamese doing their best to get out of the country to work and study abroad.

There are thousands of Young Chinese, Indians, Nepalese, Vietnamese and other Asian peoples studying every year in New Zealand and other Western Universities. I think you will find a lot of it is their Countries desire to look outward. And to send their youth abroad so the get the Western view of life. I know this from a Chinese friend who to me his Father wanted him to look at the World laterally as we in the west do and not being stuck on focussing on a single point as is the Asian way. Focus on one point has its advantages but being able to take the broader view widen you horizon. Sadly Thailand is looking inwards when there is so much their children could learn to boost their Nation. Vietnam has come a long way. And given time will be a shining light in Asia and the World

[macksview]

Most young Vietnamese have great respect for Ho Chi Minh. However, anyone on this forum who thinks that he would be happy to see how Vietnam has developed, should consider why are thousands of young Vietnamese doing their best to get out of the country to work and study abroad.

ho, is not very popular with the majority of the vietnamese community of australia.

no portraits of ho in vietnamese businesses in melbournes little saigon area.

[macksview]

I think Ho Chi Minh spent some time in Korat back in the day...

he lived in several places in the north east.

he garnered support in quite a few areas.

there was amongst some a desire for 6 provinces of the far north east too become a breakaway state.

can't remember exactly, but read, some time in the late 1940s some of his major disciples, were jailed.

[dddave]

Uncle Ho got around. At one point, he was a cook at The Parker House, a venerable hotel in downtown Boston.

[manfredtillmann]

it is a real pity to have this commercial monster overshadow the quaintness of his exile home next doors.

the place has been looked after by some elderly ladies for years now and reflects the humble nature of uncle ho.

his dwelling is frugal - to put it mildly. quiet in contrast to the 'monuments' erected beside it.

as an added bonus: the wooden home and out buildings are surrounded by perhaps one of the most prolific and diverse orchid garden of the north - east.

while most plants are dormant now, a few drops of rain will transform this garden into an abundance of floral shapes, colours and fragrances.

if you do come up here to check it out - wait a few more weeks perhaps - you will not regret it.

[losername]

I think Ho Chi Minh spent some time in Korat back in the day...

he lived in several places in the north east.

he garnered support in quite a few areas.

there was amongst some a desire for 6 provinces of the far north east too become a breakaway state.

can't remember exactly, but read, some time in the late 1940s some of his major disciples, were jailed.

Agreed. It seems lots of places are falling over themselves to be associated with Ho Chi Minh. Udon Thani is certainly one: http://www.udonthaniattractions.com/ho-chi-minh-historical-park.html

[Stray]

Not exactly Khun Stray;

" nam " means also the number " five "

and viet = people viet, like people french or english or german;

nam means the south of China , and not from China .

I'm not a vietnamese people but was living there during many years; forgot a little bit the language ( more than a little bit ) but can speak sometimes with thai people who are living in my province, Sakon Nakhon .

In Nakon Phanom there is a big clock , a gift from vietnamese people living abroad ( Viet Kieu )

The 'modern' Vietnamese language has 6 tones.

The word 'Việt' refers to the Vietnamese people alone and NOT to people originating from other countries. When referring to someone from another country the word 'người' precedes the name of the country. 'Nhân dân' can also be used. To use the examples you gave me, French people - nhân dân Pháp, English people - người Anh, German people - người Đức.

The word 'nam', with NO tone markers means 'south' or 'male', depending on the context. In the case of the name of the country, the word means 'south' and refers to the Việt people, from the south of China who moved into this area and claimed it as their own.

The number 5 is written 'năm'. Hence, the name of the country is Việt Nam. Not Việt Năm.

edit: to remove images in reply.

Edited May 20, 2016 by Stray

[chilli42]

Uncle Ho's struggle may have been valiant and his cause legitimate. That legitimacy did not justify the mass executions, the victimisation of the innocent, the reign of terror perpetrated by his successors an undertaken in his name.

The reign of terror that came down on Vietnam in the 1960s and '70s was inflicted by the USA - not Ho Chi Minh.

Well, in fact it was both. Not a black and white situation.

There are a long list of countries that found their way forward through violence: France, Ireland, China, America, Russia etc etc.

[elgordo38]

By the way, the name of the country, Viet Nam, is a clue as to where the people originally came from.

The southern Viet people, from China.

Came from China really? Wow China in its new expansionary mentality should lay claim to Viet Nam as well.

[Briggsy]

Most Thais have zero idea of their own history. History is rewritten regularly here. History in the schools is presented in such a way to support the current power structure and its raison d'etre, facts are thrown out of the window.

But most importantly, any building contract in Thailand is about the kickbacks and the skim. That's what the Thais care about!

[Kiwiken]

By the way, the name of the country, Viet Nam, is a clue as to where the people originally came from.

The southern Viet people, from China.

Came from China really? Wow China in its new expansionary mentality should lay claim to Viet Nam as well.

I believe a lot of peoples came out of China. Thailand ,Lao from North China, Vietnam , Cambodia from South China. Chinese Navigators are believed to have successfully navigated to Australia and New Zealand. The Melanesian and Polynesian Peoples have genetic characteristics of the People of Formosa but interestingly enough Formosa(Taiwan) was not inhabited or even wanted by the Chinese until the Portugese set up Trading Ports there in the 16 or 17th Centuries. China can claim what she wants . It would be a little like the Scandanavians demanding America because they discovered it first for Europeans. Is never going to happen. We are all extracts of something. Is it not supposed to be 6 distinct females in Africa?

[Scotwight]

Considering the Thai's had three wars against the Vietnamese in recent history - Franco Thai war 1940, 1960's 40,000 Thai troops in Vietnam fighting and killing Vietnamese loyal to Ho chi Minh and the 1972 Thai Vietnamese war. It's a bit odd. Then there was the Pak Mai and the communist insurgency in Thailand backed by China and Vietnam in the 1980's. Maybe they forgot?

[jesimps]

A commie megalomaniac responsible for countless deaths of his own people. Like a lot of ex so-called freedom fighters around the world he now tends to be regarded as some sort of deity.

Personally, I hope he's burning in hell.

[sanukjim]

Uncle Ho was the perfect symbol of valiant who prevail over the strong.

Today Vietnam is the small free and independent for having resist to his invaders:

- Japanese

- Chinese

- French

- US like always...

Well done Thailand in order to sublimate this model.

# 1 The Japanese used Vietnam during WW11 as needed then left.#2 The Chinese have prevailed in every encounter with the Vietnamese army.#3 Yes they did succeed in driving the French out of the country,#4 The US was there to assist the South Vietnamese in repelling the North from taking over the country.The US were there in force from 1965 until February 1973 leaving only after securing a peace treaty in Paris with the North and The South. The South Vietnamese lost to the North Vietnamese during a 59 day invasion (March 1st - April 29th) with no intervention from The US.

[macksview]

Considering the Thai's had three wars against the Vietnamese in recent history - Franco Thai war 1940, 1960's 40,000 Thai troops in Vietnam fighting and killing Vietnamese loyal to Ho chi Minh and the 1972 Thai Vietnamese war. It's a bit odd. Then there was the Pak Mai and the communist insurgency in Thailand backed by China and Vietnam in the 1980's. Maybe they forgot?

not forgotten, just filed away in the not fashionable shelf in the thai deparment of flexible and fluid history.

some around who were in those times, wish my lao was better so i could glean more information from them.

two blokes were in dien ben phu, both have past on, just country boys, no earth shattering stuff, just where to get some food and when are we going home, accordind to the wife's father.

[sanukjim]

Uncle Ho's struggle may have been valiant and his cause legitimate. That legitimacy did not justify the mass executions, the victimisation of the innocent, the reign of terror perpetrated by his successors an undertaken in his name.

At the end of WW 2 if the U S had listened to Ho and not let the French army back in Vietnam ,the country would have been very successful in Asia and the wars that caused the lives on hundreds of thousands (proberly) would not have happened.Why the League of Nations were kissing the French ass then knowing their terrible reputation of dictatorship in Indochina I would not know..

[Kiwiken]

Uncle Ho's struggle may have been valiant and his cause legitimate. That legitimacy did not justify the mass executions, the victimisation of the innocent, the reign of terror perpetrated by his successors an undertaken in his name.

At the end of WW 2 if the U S had listened to Ho and not let the French army back in Vietnam ,the country would have been very successful in Asia and the wars that caused the lives on hundreds of thousands (proberly) would not have happened.Why the League of Nations were kissing the French ass then knowing their terrible reputation of dictatorship in Indochina I would not know..

Presactly had the US and British stopped French recolonisation of SE Asia perhaps there would be a very different and more stable region today. And relations very warm and not just thawing.