‘Scotland’s voice will be heard’ – Sturgeon vows to fight to maintain EU ties

[Franky Bear]

Scotland and France have been allies for centuries.

Both Catholic.

England is Protestant.

Scotland is NOT Catholic by a long shot.

[robhufton]

Scotland has a population of less than 6m. Does anyone really think that will have any bearing on the EU when GB (population 65m) could not change anything. Will tge EU want another bunch of wingers always complaining. And just try to get the money for free education from the EU - like you got from England. Scotland's population did far better then the English. Go if/when you want and then complain to the Brussels mob. They wont listen, just laugh.

So - its safe to assume that England is subsidising Scotland?

Yes - it's called the Barnet formula

[KarenBravo]

Scotland and France have been allies for centuries.

Both Catholic.

England is Protestant.

Scotland is NOT Catholic by a long shot.

Yes, I know that. But it was considered, in times past, as a Catholic country because of the religion of it's kings and queens. Back then, that's what counted.

[bkkcanuck8]

Scotland and France have been allies for centuries.

Both Catholic.

England is Protestant.

Scotland is mostly Catholic? Really? I think your information is a few centuries behind the times.

Hmmm.. yes the big Catholic Church of Scotland.... oh wait... it is protestant.... Yes there are Catholic Scots, but many many of those immigrated away.

[robhufton]

From following these threads, I still have no idea whether or not Scotland can support itself financially as an independent country.

Are there any genuine facts that can provide clarity?

Either way, Scotland has provided a number of innovators out of proportion to its small population - so I would be sorry to see the country separate from the UK.

No

[Franky Bear]

Yes, I know that. But it was considered, in times past, as a Catholic country because of the religion of it's kings and queens. Back then, that's what counted.

So you lied.

Thanks for clearing that up amigo

[ilostmypassword]

Scotland and France have been allies for centuries.

Both Catholic.

England is Protestant.

Scotland is mostly Catholic? Really? I think your information is a few centuries behind the times.

This only changed when Scotland stopped being an independent country in 1705.

It wasn't the religion of the populace that counted, it was the religion of the ruler.......after all, they were the ones that set foreign policy.

So, for the last 300 years plus, Scotland has been a protestant nation and you apply the adjective "only" to that? Let me quote back your statement to you. Scotland and France have been allies for centuries.

Both Catholic.

England is Protestant.

So what you meant to say was Scotland and France have been allies for centuries. Scotland was Catholic and France is Catholic. England is Protestant. ?

If it's the case the Scotland is now largely Protestand and France largely Catholic, why even bring it up? It's not at all relevant to the current situation.

[KarenBravo]

Yes, I know that. But it was considered, in times past, as a Catholic country because of the religion of it's kings and queens. Back then, that's what counted.

So you lied.

Thanks for clearing that up amigo

I bet you do look into other men's eyes as you eat a banana.

[dick dasterdly]

We learn things every day, and I've learned that its unlikely that Scotland will vote for independence from the UK - unless the EU makes it clear beforehand that it will welcome them with open arms and subsidies.

Could be wrong though and perhaps the Scots are fed-up enough to vote for independence regardless.

It won't much affect the rest of the UK, but it would be a shame to 'lose' them.

[Franky Bear]

I bet you do look into other men's eyes as you eat a banana.

Ok

[vogie]

Why don't the English have a referendom to get rid of the Scots? ?

[Patsycat]

Every time they show a TV interview of a jock in my country, they have to use subtitles as not many people can understand the pigeon English they speak.

Agreed. I have a Scottish friend originally from Inverness. I cannot understand a word he is saying on the phone but when I speak with him personally I can put the lip movements to the sounds and I can get most of it right.

Years ago, i read somewhere that the best pronounced English comes from Inverness and the Highlands of Scotland.

So, you must have something wrong with your hearing!! They have a lovely soft accent, which is much different from Newcastle - which i can't understand!! I'm from Edinburgh, hen!!

And i find it extremely rude to say that Scottish people speak pidgeon English, where are you from? Rocceao. If it's Australia i rest my case!!

[Franky Bear]

Years ago, i read somewhere that the best pronounced English comes from Inverness and the Highlands of Scotland.

So, you must have something wrong with your hearing!! They have a lovely soft accent, which is much different from Newcastle - which i can't understand!! I'm from Edinburgh, hen!!

The inverness accent is actually very clear now you mention it. You know it's a Jock talking, but it's not full on "HOOOTS MUN"

[awayego]

Why don't the English have a referendom to get rid of the Scots? ?

I'm all in favour of that (an English referendum even).

Scottish Independence would be guaranteed if that was the case.

[awayego]

Every time they show a TV interview of a jock in my country, they have to use subtitles as not many people can understand the pigeon English they speak.

Agreed. I have a Scottish friend originally from Inverness. I cannot understand a word he is saying on the phone but when I speak with him personally I can put the lip movements to the sounds and I can get most of it right.

Years ago, i read somewhere that the best pronounced English comes from Inverness and the Highlands of Scotland.

So, you must have something wrong with your hearing!! They have a lovely soft accent, which is much different from Newcastle - which i can't understand!! I'm from Edinburgh, hen!!

And i find it extremely rude to say that Scottish people speak pidgeon English, where are you from? Rocceao. If it's Australia i rest my case!!

There was a well-respected writer and broadcaster in Scotland, sadly now deceased, called Finlay J. Macdonald.

He was from the Western Isles and, although his native language was Gaelic, his pronunciation of the English language was absolutely impeccable.

Every word, every syllable could be clearly understood by anyone and his lilting accent was a joy to listen to.

None of your "lore and orders", "sikth" or similar manglings of the English language so common amongst the English themselves.

[vogie]

One of the most respected Scotsman, Sir Trevor McDonald has also fine dictation of the English language. ?

[awayego]

One of the most respected Scotsman, Sir Trevor McDonald has also fine dictation of the English language. ?

Ah yes, indeed.

Although I suspect his was the Trinidad sept of Clan McDonald rather than Scottish.

Nevertheless, he would be welcome as an honorary Scot.

[Baerboxer]

All I've heard since Friday morning is ' England ' and ' Independence ' but how dare the Scots want to look after their own future.

Boris speaks and is ' charismatic ', Nicola speaks and is called everything under the sun.

You been reading SNP news letters or something similar then? Sturgeon, as usual, tries to make this an anti English thing more than anyone. Not once have I heard her talk about the very large number of people in England (or Wales for that matter) who voted to remain. Or the closeness of the result. Or the actual real legal situations in the context of a Brexit or another Sottish Independence referendum. She has one agenda, one direction and is one of the biggest racists in Britain.

Boris is a jerk, an opportunist and out right liar. He's being found out more and more along with Gove and Farage, Makes the obnoxious May look intelligent for keeping out of things.

Scotland is part of the UK and subject to UK laws. Period. Despite all her egotistical posturing, beaming and trying to hog center stage. Scotland contains a fraction of the UK population, I'd give her more respect if she was arguing and fighting to keep the UK in the EU rather than using it as a lever for her one agenda and selfishness.

She cannot decide on another referendum. That is a decision of the UK government of which she is not part. She cannot make a deal with anyone in Europe as she has no position to do so. She cannot block a potential UK exit as she threatened because she has no power to do so. She can huff and puff and stamp her foot all she wants, demanding this that and the other. The reality is all the decisions she rants on about are in the power of others.

If the UK had voted to remain she would have been looking for any other excuse to push for another referendum and another and so on. She's driven by self ambition and has little interest in what's best for Scotland and even less for the UK.

I doubt Spain for one would change it's position and allow Scotland a quick back door EU entry and I doubt the SNP could connive to meet the financial criteria as the EU are not so tolerant as they once were.

Many politicians across Europe are mouthing off, demanding this and that, threatening and stamping. All hot air. The legal processes need to be followed. Period.

[mommysboy]

Scotland has a population of less than 6m. Does anyone really think that will have any bearing on the EU when GB (population 65m) could not change anything. Will tge EU want another bunch of wingers always complaining. And just try to get the money for free education from the EU - like you got from England. Scotland's population did far better then the English. Go if/when you want and then complain to the Brussels mob. They wont listen, just laugh.

So - its safe to assume that England is subsidising Scotland?

Yes - it's called the Barnet formula

Yes it is subsidised, but this is (perhaps was) offset by the higher GDP per head in Scotland, which is (was) mainly due oil I think. They are very hard working people.

[ozyjon]

Get off your horse will you.

The EU and UN are on the verge of collapse and

the elite, the 1%, the new world order are failing

and begging anyone with their scare mongering

to please let us back in, we need to corrupt more,

erode peoples savings with negative interest rates,

if you are poor we will create more laws to tax you

thus making you poorer.

The UK made the right choice, don't listen to the media

they are lying through their front and back teeth,, the

markets bounced back up into the green, did anyone

notice, well done UK, don't back down.

[ozyjon]

Get off your horse will you.

The EU and UN are on the verge of collapse and

the elite, the 1%, the new world order are failing

and begging anyone with their scare mongering

to please let us back in, we need to corrupt more,

erode peoples savings with negative interest rates,

if you are poor we will create more laws to tax you

thus making you poorer.

The UK made the right choice, don't listen to the media

they are lying through their front and back teeth,, the

markets bounced back up into the green, did anyone

notice, well done UK, don't back down.

[ozyjon]

Get off your horse will you.

The EU and UN are on the verge of collapse and

the elite, the 1%, the new world order are failing

and begging anyone with their scare mongering

to please let us back in, we need to corrupt more,

erode peoples savings with negative interest rates,

if you are poor we will create more laws to tax you

thus making you poorer.

The UK made the right choice, don't listen to the media

they are lying through their front and back teeth,, the

markets bounced back up into the green, did anyone

notice, well done UK, don't back down.

[ozyjon]

Get off your horse will you.

The EU and UN are on the verge of collapse and

the elite, the 1%, the new world order are failing

and begging anyone with their scare mongering

to please let us back in, we need to corrupt more,

erode peoples savings with negative interest rates,

if you are poor we will create more laws to tax you

thus making you poorer.

The UK made the right choice, don't listen to the media

they are lying through their front and back teeth,, the

markets bounced back up into the green, did anyone

notice, well done UK, don't back down.

[ozyjon]

After reading the headline i thought of caviar.

[NongKhaiKid]

Every time they show a TV interview of a jock in my country, they have to use subtitles as not many people can understand the pigeon English they speak.

Agreed. I have a Scottish friend originally from Inverness. I cannot understand a word he is saying on the phone but when I speak with him personally I can put the lip movements to the sounds and I can get most of it right.

Years ago, i read somewhere that the best pronounced English comes from Inverness and the Highlands of Scotland.

So, you must have something wrong with your hearing!! They have a lovely soft accent, which is much different from Newcastle - which i can't understand!! I'm from Edinburgh, hen!!

And i find it extremely rude to say that Scottish people speak pidgeon English, where are you from? Rocceao. If it's Australia i rest my case!!

Got to love people with accents themselves who complain about how others speak.

Has Rocceao heard the accents from all over Britain and will he claim he has no problems with them ?

[ozyjon]

Get off your horse will you.

The EU and UN are on the verge of collapse and

the elite, the 1%, the new world order are failing

and begging anyone with their scare mongering

to please let us back in, we need to corrupt more,

erode peoples savings with negative interest rates,

if you are poor we will create more laws to tax you

thus making you poorer.

The UK made the right choice, don't listen to the media

they are lying through their front and back teeth,, the

markets bounced back up into the green, did anyone

notice, well done UK, don't back down.

[Laughing Gravy]

Well as I predicted the EU have given Sturgeon the cold shoulder, all the way from the Spanish PM to Hollande from France. Sturgeon is potentially starting to marginalise her power and position. I would be interested to know of the 1.4 million people who didn't vote in the referendum, how they would vote whether to stay with the EU and take the euro. Either way the EU don't want Scotland, so Sturgeon needs to change her aggressive tactics and policy or she may find herself becoming less and less popular.

She says she wants autonomy but is happy to have rules and regulations from the EU. What a joke.

[bkkcanuck8]

According to Juncker he indicated that Scotland had the right to be heard BUT the EU will not INTERFERE in the British process. The British have already accepted that that a simple referendum win for Scotland's Independence is the process to withdraw from the UK. So if they actually have a vote exiting or Britain is not a continuing member -- then they are no longer interfering in the internal British process. You can read into that what you want - but it is again not unexpected....

Things as far as I can see could change those assumptions.... same to how things changed after the UK voted to leave the EU. Once it is official all bets are off. Scotland would have to make a leap of faith. You can play scare politics all you want but they only work in the short term and in the end dreams are what drive us.... The UK has this dream that they are going to be independent, and they voted for it.... but then they also want to stay with exactly the same benefits -- which will have the same costs and same obligations.... just without a voice where the decisions are made. i.e. the dream however flawed won, and the politics of fear failed.

Just as with the Uk independence vote (in the unlikely event it actually is followed through on) there would of course be some painful restructuring..... but those that dream have faith that in the end the costs are worth it.

[Franky Bear]

Well as I predicted the EU have given Sturgeon the cold shoulder, all the way from the Spanish PM to Hollande from France. Sturgeon is potentially starting to marginalise her power and position. I would be interested to know of the 1.4 million people who didn't vote in the referendum, how they would vote whether to stay with the EU and take the euro. Either way the EU don't want Scotland, so Sturgeon needs to change her aggressive tactics and policy or she may find herself becoming less and less popular.

She says she wants autonomy but is happy to have rules and regulations from the EU. What a joke.

She knows exactly what she is doing. The SNP have failed Scotland as a council (they are not a government) So by making all this noise distracts her cult from the real issue....FIX SCOTLAND

[nontabury]

A number of Scott's who happen to live in Scotland have sent me this.