‘Scotland’s voice will be heard’ – Sturgeon vows to fight to maintain EU ties

[nontabury]

I think we can all have a laugh at this one, regarding England's result against mighty Iceland.

[Franky Bear]

I think we can all have a laugh at this one, regarding England's result against mighty Iceland.

You're days old with this one.

[KarenBravo]

Talks between Sturgeon and EU officials ended yesterday with the EU officials telling Sturgeon that she should seek out a taxidermist.

[SgtRock]

Talks between Sturgeon and EU officials ended yesterday with the EU officials telling Sturgeon that she should seek out a taxidermist.

Nice to see PC is alive and well even amongst EU officials

[RuamRudy]

You been reading SNP news letters or something similar then? Sturgeon, as usual, tries to make this an anti English thing more than anyone. Not once have I heard her talk about the very large number of people in England (or Wales for that matter) who voted to remain. Or the closeness of the result. Or the actual real legal situations in the context of a Brexit or another Sottish Independence referendum. She has one agenda, one direction and is one of the biggest racists in Britain.

Boris is a jerk, an opportunist and out right liar. He's being found out more and more along with Gove and Farage, Makes the obnoxious May look intelligent for keeping out of things.

Scotland is part of the UK and subject to UK laws. Period. Despite all her egotistical posturing, beaming and trying to hog center stage. Scotland contains a fraction of the UK population, I'd give her more respect if she was arguing and fighting to keep the UK in the EU rather than using it as a lever for her one agenda and selfishness.

She cannot decide on another referendum. That is a decision of the UK government of which she is not part. She cannot make a deal with anyone in Europe as she has no position to do so. She cannot block a potential UK exit as she threatened because she has no power to do so. She can huff and puff and stamp her foot all she wants, demanding this that and the other. The reality is all the decisions she rants on about are in the power of others.

If the UK had voted to remain she would have been looking for any other excuse to push for another referendum and another and so on. She's driven by self ambition and has little interest in what's best for Scotland and even less for the UK.

I doubt Spain for one would change it's position and allow Scotland a quick back door EU entry and I doubt the SNP could connive to meet the financial criteria as the EU are not so tolerant as they once were.

Many politicians across Europe are mouthing off, demanding this and that, threatening and stamping. All hot air. The legal processes need to be followed. Period.

Where, in any SNP literature or postings, do you find anything that is even remotely anti-english? The SNP is a party of civic nationalism, hence we have Muslims for Independence, English for Independence, Poles for Independence - we are an open and welcoming society. We would even welcome you if you came to see for yourself, rather than relying on oft quoted but never backed up fallacies such as the SNP is anti English.

[RuamRudy]

A number of Scott's who happen to live in Scotland have sent me this.

Please show us the racist English grudge. I see lots of anti Scottish posts here, but I have yet to see anything like the hatred that flows from our Better Together brethren from south of the border.

[RuamRudy]

Well as I predicted the EU have given Sturgeon the cold shoulder, all the way from the Spanish PM to Hollande from France. Sturgeon is potentially starting to marginalise her power and position. I would be interested to know of the 1.4 million people who didn't vote in the referendum, how they would vote whether to stay with the EU and take the euro. Either way the EU don't want Scotland, so Sturgeon needs to change her aggressive tactics and policy or she may find herself becoming less and less popular.

She says she wants autonomy but is happy to have rules and regulations from the EU. What a joke.

She knows exactly what she is doing. The SNP have failed Scotland as a council (they are not a government) So by making all this noise distracts her cult from the real issue....FIX SCOTLAND

If they have failed Scotland, why are they achieving support that Labour and the Nasty Party coudn't even dare to wish for? Either we are too stupid to recognise your statement as fact, or you have stated something that has no basis on reality.

[nontabury]

A number of Scott's who happen to live in Scotland have sent me this.

Please show us the racist English grudge. I see lots of anti Scottish posts here, but I have yet to see anything like the hatred that flows from our Better Together brethren from south of the border.

From my own personal experiance,starting from when I was in the RAF,we have gone from taking the piss out of each other, to about 20yrs ago,about the time the SNP came to prominence, when I started to hear a number of very strong anti-English remarks coming from some Scots, to the position over the last couple of years, when I started to hear and read many anti-Scot comments from English people,something I previously thought I would never hear. I will leave it up to you to decide how this started and who is responsible.

[nontabury]

Well, I can tell you here in Canada the Scottish and the French got along very well.... they had a common foe... the English:cheesy:

Depends where you are in Canada.....

When would be more appropriate.... since it has been a long time since we have had a lot of Scottish and French mixing.... it was when literally entire villages were moved from Scotland to south shore of the St. Lawrence in Quebec.

What year was that...?

1800s... when we actually had lots of Scots... now we just have mostly Canadians....

What do they call the people from Quebec?

[Chicog]

Sturgeon's voice will be heard, saying "We want to join the EU".

And so will the answer, which will be an emphatic "No".

Sort out independence first, if you think you can afford it.

[nontabury]

Every time they show a TV interview of a jock in my country, they have to use subtitles as not many people can understand the pigeon English they speak.

Agreed. I have a Scottish friend originally from Inverness. I cannot understand a word he is saying on the phone but when I speak with him personally I can put the lip movements to the sounds and I can get most of it right.

Years ago, i read somewhere that the best pronounced English comes from Inverness and the Highlands of Scotland.

So, you must have something wrong with your hearing!! They have a lovely soft accent, which is much different from Newcastle - which i can't understand!! I'm from Edinburgh, hen!!

And i find it extremely rude to say that Scottish people speak pidgeon English, where are you from? Rocceao. If it's Australia i rest my case!!

And there's me thinking the clearest and purist English is spoken in Glasgow.

[RuamRudy]

A number of Scott's who happen to live in Scotland have sent me this.

Please show us the racist English grudge. I see lots of anti Scottish posts here, but I have yet to see anything like the hatred that flows from our Better Together brethren from south of the border.

From my own personal experiance,starting from when I was in the RAF,we have gone from taking the piss out of each other, to about 20yrs ago,about the time the SNP came to prominence, when I started to hear a number of very strong anti-English remarks coming from some Scots, to the position over the last couple of years, when I started to hear and read many anti-Scot comments from English people,something I previously thought I would never hear. I will leave it up to you to decide how this started and who is responsible.

I honestly have no idea what the origin of these things are. But much like the recent news report of the young lads abusing and throwing beer at the American guy living in England and the bystanders telling those lads that they were a disgrace to England, if the same were to occur in Scotland the response from the majority of people would be the same. There is no place in general Scottish society for racism, and while I make no claims that we are perfect, most people recognise that.

[Franky Bear]

If they have failed Scotland, why are they achieving support that Labour and the Nasty Party coudn't even dare to wish for? Either we are too stupid to recognise your statement as fact, or you have stated something that has no basis on reality.

Yip...you're too stupid

[RuamRudy]

If they have failed Scotland, why are they achieving support that Labour and the Nasty Party coudn't even dare to wish for? Either we are too stupid to recognise your statement as fact, or you have stated something that has no basis on reality.

Yip...you're too stupid

Well, there was a majority vote to remain in the union in 2014, so maybe you have a point...

[Kwasaki]

What do they call the people from Quebec?

Either Frogs or here in Thailand Farangsayit.

[Chicog]

Salmond and Sturgeon are Scotland's answer to Hugo Chavez.

[RuamRudy]

Salmond and Sturgeon are Scotland's answer to Hugo Chavez.

I think you need to look at Scottish politics a bit more closely. She is (and he was) a government leader, elected with a large majority, but that is where the similarity with Chavez ends. It is not for nothing that the SNP is often called the Tartan Tories.

[nontabury]

Salmond and Sturgeon are Scotland's answer to Hugo Chavez.

I think you need to look at Scottish politics a bit more closely. She is (and he was) a government leader, elected with a large majority, but that is where the similarity with Chavez ends. It is not for nothing that the SNP is often called the Tartan Tories.

The SNP are always whining that they are ruled by the English. Let's look at a few facts facts.

1/ The Scots make up around 1/10 to 1/11th of the population.

2/ Check out how many Scots have been the British Prime Minister over the last 100yrs. And how long they governed for.

3/ Do not forget those two Scottish Prime ministers, who many say caused the present day problems in the UK. Tony WMD Blair and Gordon Bigot Brown.

4/ Check out the composition of all Cabints during this period. At one stage there were 17 out of 19 who were Scots.

5/ Today there are 5 contenders for the new leader of the Conservative party,who will then become Prime Minister. 3 of whom are Scottish.

So I'm now wondering who has been ruling who.

[RuamRudy]

The SNP are always whining that they are ruled by the English. Let's look at a few facts facts.

1/ The Scots make up around 1/10 to 1/11th of the population.

2/ Check out how many Scots have been the British Prime Minister over the last 100yrs. And how long they governed for.

3/ Do not forget those two Scottish Prime ministers, who many say caused the present day problems in the UK. Tony WMD Blair and Gordon Bigot Brown.

4/ Check out the composition of all Cabints during this period. At one stage there were 17 out of 19 who were Scots.

5/ Today there are 5 contenders for the new leader of the Conservative party,who will then become Prime Minister. 3 of whom are Scottish.

So I'm now wondering who has been ruling who.

I am not sure why you think point number 1 is relevant. Even if we were 1/100th of the population, we would still want our independence.

I never said that 100% of my countrymen were people to be admired. As for those Scottish-stuffed cabinets, I assume that they would have been Tory grandees with double barreled names, as representative of your average Scot as your average Englishman.

[rott]

A vote in Scotland for remain was not a vote for Sturgeon, any more than a vote in NI for remain was a vote for McGuinness.

The Scottish referendum was a decisive desire to remain in the UK, this referendum was a much smaller majority for the UK to leave the EU. I do not like it but that is democracy.

It will be many years before we know

if this is good, bad or indifferent.

[RuamRudy]

A vote in Scotland for remain was not a vote for Sturgeon, any more than a vote in NI for remain was a vote for McGuinness.

The Scottish referendum was a decisive desire to remain in the UK, this referendum was a much smaller majority for the UK to leave the EU. I do not like it but that is democracy.

It will be many years before we know

if this is good, bad or indifferent.

It was anything but decisive. I think it would have needed to be 60% either way before you could even come close to calling it decisive.

[bkkcanuck8]

^ Not to mention a "democratic decision" based on a deception .... is not democracy....

[Franky Bear]

A vote in Scotland for remain was not a vote for Sturgeon, any more than a vote in NI for remain was a vote for McGuinness.

The Scottish referendum was a decisive desire to remain in the UK, this referendum was a much smaller majority for the UK to leave the EU. I do not like it but that is democracy.

It will be many years before we know

if this is good, bad or indifferent.

It was anything but decisive. I think it would have needed to be 60% either way before you could even come close to calling it decisive.

Around 64% were happy with the Status quo though.

The "Out" side were so filled with passion/hate/vigour that every one of them wil have voted. Those that didn't vote were obviously happy to remain in the UK.

the YES side hate this statistic and will try very hard to rubbish it......nice of them to try though.

Enjoy your friday

[vogie]

The Scots voted to stay within the UK.

The UK has voted to leave the EU.

Another vote will have to decide whether to stay in the UK and leave the EU, or, leave the UK and return to the EU.

Frankly, I think the Scots would vote to stay in the UK over rejoining the EU.

PS. Why are all Scots leaders named after fish?

Never noticed that before, did you know her minister of racism to the English is Mick McMackerel.

[RuamRudy]

A vote in Scotland for remain was not a vote for Sturgeon, any more than a vote in NI for remain was a vote for McGuinness.

The Scottish referendum was a decisive desire to remain in the UK, this referendum was a much smaller majority for the UK to leave the EU. I do not like it but that is democracy.

It will be many years before we know

if this is good, bad or indifferent.

It was anything but decisive. I think it would have needed to be 60% either way before you could even come close to calling it decisive.

Around 64% were happy with the Status quo though.

The "Out" side were so filled with passion/hate/vigour that every one of them wil have voted. Those that didn't vote were obviously happy to remain in the UK.

the YES side hate this statistic and will try very hard to rubbish it......nice of them to try though.

Enjoy your friday

Similar to the statistic that confirms that 74.5% of Scots want to remain in the EU? I guess, therefore, they have the overriding say on the matter.

[bkkcanuck8]

Well, I can tell you here in Canada the Scottish and the French got along very well.... they had a common foe... the English:cheesy:

Depends where you are in Canada.....

When would be more appropriate.... since it has been a long time since we have had a lot of Scottish and French mixing.... it was when literally entire villages were moved from Scotland to south shore of the St. Lawrence in Quebec.

What year was that...?

1800s... when we actually had lots of Scots... now we just have mostly Canadians....

What do they call the people from Quebec?

Quebecois. Sometimes gets confused by those from the west, not all french speaking citizens are Quebecois.

And yes, I have some sympathies for those in that independence movement just because it irritates me when they are asking for certain devolution powers that they feel would be better administered at that level, while the other provinces say we don't want that and since the provinces are all equal that they should not have it either. Sound familiar? I was born a Canadian, I will die a Canadian and unfortunately my French language abilities are not that great.... so it is not cultural for me... I just understand how sometimes the majority can really be dense and ill-informed.... Borders change, people change over time - so nothing is ever set in stone. I am fundamentally a free-trading, free movement of labour supporter - and if it ever came about... I would want the governments to work on an agreement that guarantees that, I support the same whether it is NAFTA, CETA or any other trade agreement we have.

[dick dasterdly]

I gather Sturgeon will only call for another vote if she is sure that it would win.

Perhaps the UK leaving the EU will be the impetus that gives her the confidence for another vote to leave the UK?

I've no idea, but suspect that she'll wait until article 50 has been invoked and then check the 'mood' of the Scot electorate.

[i claudius]

Sturgeon is a legend in her own lunchtime ,apart from that ,she is a nothing and a nobody

[RuamRudy]

I gather Sturgeon will only call for another vote if she is sure that it would win.

Perhaps the UK leaving the EU will be the impetus that gives her the confidence for another vote to leave the UK?

I've no idea, but suspect that she'll wait until article 50 has been invoked and then check the 'mood' of the Scot electorate.

There have been 4 polls in the past week that have all given Scottish Independence a majority. Of course, this is influenced by Brexit and nobody can deny that there is strong support for the EU in Scotland.

Other than that, I can only fall back on annecdotal evidence. In the past week my Facebook feed has been filled with previously Yes voters who are flush with renewed passion, a few previously No voters who are now questioning whether they did the right thing in 2014, and a few No voters who continue to resolutely oppose any suggestion of independence. So Yes could be gaining ground; it will take a skillful Westminster government (and possibly a miracle) not to further feed the fire.

[nontabury]

I gather Sturgeon will only call for another vote if she is sure that it would win.

Perhaps the UK leaving the EU will be the impetus that gives her the confidence for another vote to leave the UK?

I've no idea, but suspect that she'll wait until article 50 has been invoked and then check the 'mood' of the Scot electorate.

There have been 4 polls in the past week that have all given Scottish Independence a majority. Of course, this is influenced by Brexit and nobody can deny that there is strong support for the EU in Scotland.

Other than that, I can only fall back on annecdotal evidence. In the past week my Facebook feed has been filled with previously Yes voters who are flush with renewed passion, a few previously No voters who are now questioning whether they did the right thing in 2014, and a few No voters who continue to resolutely oppose any suggestion of independence. So Yes could be gaining ground; it will take a skillful Westminster government (and possibly a miracle) not to further feed the fire.

Do those Scots who would vote for separation,realise that Scotland exports to the rest of the U.K. More than 4times the amount that they export to the E.U. Are they also aware that the economic cornerstone of a seperate Scotland according to A Salmonds is oil. At that time oil was at 110us$ now it is where?

Economically there is no chance of Scotland being financially seperate for the nect 6yrs,and even that would be optimistic, only IF the price of oil goes up, very unlikely as this would lead to the shale oil producers rapping up production,therefore curtailing any increase in value.

In the meantime here is another poster I have received from Scotland.