jayboy Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Reconciliation has it's limits I suppose. I agree with him on this one. Reconciliation? What reconciliation?? that is a Thaksin buz word, let me interpret it for you "amnesty" Ultimately all sides will have to agree points they feel profoundly uncomfortable with.In other words there will have to be a serious negotiation before reconciliation is possible.This may certainly involve 'putting on one side' some serious crimes committed by several highly placed people including members of the present government.Only a fool or a bigot in my view would claim Thaksin was the main or only protagonist - but I agree that's a subjective opinion. In any case most Thais have moved beyond the boogeyman though as we have seen those in power (devoid of any legitimacy, morality or competence) need to keep the boogeyman alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuanku Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 some of them escaped for ridiculous reasons. Here are some of the reasons: some of them escaped with the tacit knowledge of the government, some of them escaped with the explicit help from the government, some of them escaped because government agencies are inept/lazy/sleeping/distracted/drunk and mostly not motivated enough. I agree, these are ridiculous reasons. And at least one of them escaped because his investigations into human trafficking went too far up the security forces ladder and he was receiving credible death threats. There is also someone who keeps leaving the country to give speeches at organisations like the UN which do little credit to the organisation he works for and harms the country's image in the eyes of the world - but unfortunately he keeps coming back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZurf Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Reconciliation has it's limits I suppose. I agree with him on this one. Reconciliation? What reconciliation?? that is a Thaksin buz word, let me interpret it for you "amnesty" Ultimately all sides will have to agree points they feel profoundly uncomfortable with.In other words there will have to be a serious negotiation before reconciliation is possible.This may certainly involve 'putting on one side' some serious crimes committed by several highly placed people including members of the present government.Only a fool or a bigot in my view would claim Thaksin was the main or only protagonist - but I agree that's a subjective opinion. In any case most Thais have moved beyond the boogeyman though as we have seen those in power (devoid of any legitimacy, morality or competence) need to keep the boogeyman alive. Indeed. The junta needs the bogeyman in Dubai as an excuse to legitimize their rule. I believe most Thais have long since realized that this "excuse" is pure BS. Apparently, a few confused TV posters haven't. Sad, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Reconciliation has it's limits I suppose. I agree with him on this one. Reconciliation? What reconciliation?? that is a Thaksin buz word, let me interpret it for you "amnesty" Ultimately all sides will have to agree points they feel profoundly uncomfortable with.In other words there will have to be a serious negotiation before reconciliation is possible.This may certainly involve 'putting on one side' some serious crimes committed by several highly placed people including members of the present government.Only a fool or a bigot in my view would claim Thaksin was the main or only protagonist - but I agree that's a subjective opinion. In any case most Thais have moved beyond the boogeyman though as we have seen those in power (devoid of any legitimacy, morality or competence) need to keep the boogeyman alive. good post, remember though that Thaksin wants sides, he wants division, he wants reds yellows bowls flags shirts fingers monks etc, because when you have sides then you have the potential for conflict that he can manipulate using his money. Thaksin's primary goal is to create and maintain sides, ironic that currently (and a point I keep mentioning) there are no clear sides, there are Thaksins redshirt funded thugs and then the rest of the Thai people who don't want sides - they just want peace and to move on - no guns grenades assault rifles blackshirts bowls flags fingers signs posters - no more conflict, Thaksin is trying very hard to create them sides but so far is failing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 I agree 99.6% of the Thai people would never allow them to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 So...Thaksin and ...ahm...Thaksin...and everyone, ever accused of LM! How exciting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Reconciliation has it's limits I suppose. I agree with him on this one. Reconciliation? What reconciliation?? Dem der fighting words. Seize their passports bring them back in chains and try them and put them in a jail cell. There would be no one left to vilify. Politicians always need verbal whipping boys for distraction from the real problems. Thaksin in jail here would definitely not sit well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khon Kaen Dave Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Not another load of puerile announcements that are going to be broadcast,and will cut into a good movie i am watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 "... in order to find a solution to the country’s problems but with one condition that they must not “help a wrongdoer who defied the law”. Agreed. Be sure to apply that philosophy to the Un-elected P.M. and junta leader of an illegal coup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobmac10 Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Making a coup against the state is a crime. So Dear general, you are the very first wrong doer .I don't see any crime bigger than that one. and how many people have died ? correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it is a very big fat "0" Well one thing is for sure Smedley, you won't ever know. The reason for that is because extra judicial killings are never publicised, so if you are hoping to see a tally of murders carried out extra judiciously on the news at 6pm, forget it! you'll have to did a bit deeper but... ah why bother, you don't want to know do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Not another load of puerile announcements that are going to be broadcast,and will cut into a good movie i am watching.Time to switch to an Android box and avoid the interruptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceruhe Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 said that he believed these fugitives would never return to Thailand Anybody care to explain him that if that is really the case, calling them out and shaming them will have negative 0 effect on them? Besides, he's just warning, not like he'll actually do something about it because the most obvious one he won't be able to name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Making a coup against the state is a crime. So Dear general, you are the very first wrong doer .I don't see any crime bigger than that one.and how many people have died ? correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it is a very big fat "0" Well one thing is for sure Smedley, you won't ever know.The reason for that is because extra judicial killings are never publicised, so if you are hoping to see a tally of murders carried out extra judiciously on the news at 6pm, forget it! you'll have to did a bit deeper but... ah why bother, you don't want to know do you? There has been also people hanging themselves or dying from infection in military prison.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 "Every one except me". There, I saved you the trouble, do I ge a cookie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winniedapu Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Making a coup against the state is a crime. So Dear general, you are the very first wrong doer .I don't see any crime bigger than that one. and how many people have died ? correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it is a very big fat "0" Treason is a crime whether or not it results in the death of someone. It's probably the worst non-killing crime there is. Arbitrary conditions put on it because one happens to like the perpetrator. don't count for very much in an intelligent conversation. Prayuth bears the responsibility for the deaths of numerous unarmed Thais in 2010. That debt has yet to be paid, such is the corruption of judicial process in Thailand. But it will be. Winnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETERTHEEATER Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 May publish Will publish Which one is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eligius Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Thaksin is here being presented as a kind of Professor Moriarty figure (in the Sherlock Holmes stories) - the Napoleon of crime, the malevolent devil behind every significant malfeasance perpetrated in the world. Just one thing to remember: the Sherlock Holmes stories and the boundless evil of diabolical Professor Moriarty himself are - pure fiction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Paul Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 j tell everyone, when they come back , go to court and found NOT GUILTY then they will sue the Thai Government.. pretty silly really talk the talk but fils to see beyond naming . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Record Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 If only Prayut listened to himself: "I am sick of seeing my face on television." Serach TV for article titled Prayut Threatens to Stay at Helm. I would imagine he is sick of being on TV himself, I very much doubt this was his dream retirement from his extremely lucrative previous post. But he has no choice, he was told to stage a coup, he staged a coup, he's told to become PM, he becomes PM, he's no Politician that blatantly obvious, but he has to do what he's told or he'll be open to investigation into his own massive wealth and how he came by it, everybody knows how he came by it, same as all the Generals amass unusual wealth, the people who really run the country have got him over a barrel, he's just doing what he's told to do, he has no alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilsonandson Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 If only Prayut listened to himself: "I am sick of seeing my face on television." Serach TV for article titled Prayut Threatens to Stay at Helm. I would imagine he is sick of being on TV himself, I very much doubt this was his dream retirement from his extremely lucrative previous post.But he has no choice, he was told to stage a coup, he staged a coup, he's told to become PM, he becomes PM, he's no Politician that blatantly obvious, but he has to do what he's told or he'll be open to investigation into his own massive wealth and how he came by it, everybody knows how he came by it, same as all the Generals amass unusual wealth, the people who really run the country have got him over a barrel, he's just doing what he's told to do, he has no alternative. Aww, poor Prayuth, forced to drink the best wine and eat the very best food. Forced to travel the world, stay at 5 star hotels, forced to be waited on hand and foot. He is an ogre. A bully. The sooner he is replaced by anyone else the better. Is he all there? I wonder if he suffers from a psychotic illness? No man can be this serious and strict. One day his ego bubble will pop and he'll realise he is a nasty old man that needs to lighten up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winniedapu Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 (edited) So remember out there... mend your evil ways or the PM (no less). will tell everyone your name. And that'll learn ya. Don't say you weren't warned! Winniie Edited July 2, 2016 by Winniedapu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoon Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 (edited) Thaksin is here being presented as a kind of Professor Moriarty figure (in the Sherlock Holmes stories) - the Napoleon of crime, the malevolent devil behind every significant malfeasance perpetrated in the world. Just one thing to remember: the Sherlock Holmes stories and the boundless evil of diabolical Professor Moriarty himself are - pure fiction! Emmanuel Goldstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "The reader may surmise that a political opposition to Big Brother — namely, Goldstein — was psychologically necessary in order to distract, unite and focus the anger of the people of Oceania. Ostensibly, Goldstein serves as a convenient scapegoat for the totalitarian regime in Nineteen Eighty-Four, and justifies its surveillance and elimination of civil liberties." "Goldstein is always the subject of the "Two Minutes Hate", a daily program beginning at 11:00 a.m. at which an image of Goldstein is shown on the telescreen and subjected to extreme contempt." Strange that The Great Defender has banned the book, when he seems to be using it as an Operations Manual. Edited July 2, 2016 by Enoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgoon Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Careful now... I may give your name out. Unless of course you have vast resources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 Strange that The Great Defender has banned the book, when he seems to be using it as an Operations Manual. Had to check this one, not banned per se, but de facto: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/756162-1984-novel-by-george-orwell;-banned-in-thailand/ . Ridicilous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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