Thai sex industry under fire from tourism minister, police

[micmichd]

I'd probably have visited by now if it was a regular resort.

Soi Biker,

excuse me if I'm curious. Is your name your name or a hobby?

[SoiBiker]

I'd probably have visited by now if it was a regular resort.

Soi Biker,

excuse me if I'm curious. Is your name your name or a hobby?

I ride a bike down a soi sometimes. It's more a mode of transport than a hobby though.

It's just a random name I chose when I signed up really - Don't read too much into it.

[spidermike007]

Let not forget that prostitution is not widely available here because of foreigners. Thais are using that all the time. Any Karaoke bar in most remote area of the country the Thai customer can take out the waitress or waiter. It is part of their culture. Husband play on the side is Thai typical. Foreigner using bars or prostitution services are a very small percentage compare to Thai people.

Let's not forget that we're discussing the tourist minister here, so foreigners are most likely her main concern.

You are completely incorrect. What you said could not possibly be further from the truth. She has no concern for foreigners. Her only concerns are for politics, appearances, keeping the tourist trade moving forward (a very convoluted affair, in her own mind, without the required experience in the tourism industry) promoting Thailand overseas, etc. No concern for tourists that are already here. If she had any concern there are dozens of ways she could express that concern, with policies that benefitted tourists. Such as:

1. Public safety improvements.

2. Traffic safety improvements.

3. Setting up tourist information kiosks, that were not manned by someone selling a product, but rather an employee of the government, like you see in so many other countries that care, ready, willing, and able to provide useful information for tourists.

4. Abolishing the two tier pricing system at the National Parks, which many of us will not visit, due to the extortioner practices on admission fees.

5. Working on abolishing the scams that affect the industry.

I could go on and on and on. There is so much that could be done, if she cared one iota.

[slippery snake]

I know of four falangs that caught HIV from Thai prostitutes, so the total must be hundreds at least. Did not 'naughty Nigel' from that disgusting Asia street meat site die from it in his 30's?

I disagree. If "hundreds" of British men were contracting HIV in Thailand, the nanny state would be advertising about it and warning everyone on all planes to Bkk to avoid Thai prostitutes. That they do NOT, means the number contracting it is insignificant.

I can only assume that you know people that refuse to wear condoms when engaging in risky sex. I don't, and I don't know anyone that has HIV.

Four out of millions does not a plague make.

John Holmes died of it too, but they didn't ban the porn industry.

How would a nice girl like you know about "street meat" anyway .

I did not say hundreds of Brits had caught HIV here. The last time I visited an STD clinic in the uk there was a poster on the wall stating that 40% of cases were caught abroad on holiday. I am not a girl and knew the Idiot Nigel when he worked at Tesco here.

40% of cases are caught abroad on Holiday,, so that means 60% of cases are caught at home in Britten ?? must be ...

Well I know where I'd go for sex,, much safer here !!

[slippery snake]

I know of four falangs that caught HIV from Thai prostitutes, so the total must be hundreds at least. Did not 'naughty Nigel' from that disgusting Asia street meat site die from it in his 30's?

I disagree. If "hundreds" of British men were contracting HIV in Thailand, the nanny state would be advertising about it and warning everyone on all planes to Bkk to avoid Thai prostitutes. That they do NOT, means the number contracting it is insignificant.

I can only assume that you know people that refuse to wear condoms when engaging in risky sex. I don't, and I don't know anyone that has HIV.

Four out of millions does not a plague make.

John Holmes died of it too, but they didn't ban the porn industry.

How would a nice girl like you know about "street meat" anyway .

I did not say hundreds of Brits had caught HIV here. The last time I visited an STD clinic in the uk there was a poster on the wall stating that 40% of cases were caught abroad on holiday. I am not a girl and knew the Idiot Nigel when he worked at Tesco here.

40% of cases are caught abroad on Holiday,, so that means 60% of cases are caught at home in Britten ?? must be ...

Well I know where I'd go for sex,, much safer here !!

Just to add to that, of the 40% ,, what percentage is caught in Thailand, I guess very low. more likely to catch it in Phillipines, India or Africa...

[spidermike007]

I think a cleaned-up Pattaya would prove popular with tourists. I often hear people complain about the need for a long journey or a flight to go between Bangkok and the beach, and I know it puts people off Thailand if they only have limited time - if you're here for a week you don't want to lose two days traveling to the islands and back.

Part of Pattaya appeals to the trade, and a very large part has nothing to do with it. Pattaya is huge. There are country clubs, very exclusive estates, far from town, there is a winery up in the hills, and much more. I suppose it may have started with the trade, but it is much more than that now. And the new groups of tourists are the Chinese. They are the zero baht tourists. They take up a tremendous amount of space on Walking Street. I would imagine back home, where they sign up for the budget tours, they have a poster that says: "Including a tour of the world famous forbidden zone of Pattaya", or "See what the depraved sex workers of Thailand look like, and where they work", or something like that. They eat in restaurants, for huge discounts arranged by the tour operators, they stay in hotels that are probably offering their rooms at 40% of the rack rate, and then they will buy a soda or juice at 7/11. Maybe an ice cream. That will be the extent of their spending.

And this brilliant tourism minister thinks that by building this segment of the industry, Thailand will prosper. I have a message for her. You are making a mistake of historic proportions. You will be listed in the history books, when they talk about the people who were responsible for the destruction of an entire lucrative industry. You may be responsible for raising the number of tourist arrivals. But, does that mean anything, if most of that money is being repatriated back to China? You are a fool.

[anotheruser]

I think a cleaned-up Pattaya would prove popular with tourists. I often hear people complain about the need for a long journey or a flight to go between Bangkok and the beach, and I know it puts people off Thailand if they only have limited time - if you're here for a week you don't want to lose two days traveling to the islands and back.

Part of Pattaya appeals to the trade, and a very large part has nothing to do with it. Pattaya is huge. There are country clubs, very exclusive estates, far from town, there is a winery up in the hills, and much more. I suppose it may have started with the trade, but it is much more than that now. And the new groups of tourists are the Chinese. They are the zero baht tourists. They take up a tremendous amount of space on Walking Street. I would imagine back home, where they sign up for the budget tours, they have a poster that says: "Including a tour of the world famous forbidden zone of Pattaya", or "See what the depraved sex workers of Thailand look like, and where they work", or something like that. They eat in restaurants, for huge discounts arranged by the tour operators, they stay in hotels that are probably offering their rooms at 40% of the rack rate, and then they will buy a soda or juice at 7/11. Maybe an ice cream. That will be the extent of their spending.

And this brilliant tourism minister thinks that by building this segment of the industry, Thailand will prosper. I have a message for her. You are making a mistake of historic proportions. You will be listed in the history books, when they talk about the people who were responsible for the destruction of an entire lucrative industry. You may be responsible for raising the number of tourist arrivals. But, does that mean anything, if most of that money is being repatriated back to China? You are a fool.

People are saying that the sex industry is a big reason for some families not going to Pattaya. Soon the masses of Chinese will replace it as the deterrent to regular families wanting to go there. Nothing makes me want to vacate an area more than a group of Chinese showing up. God forbid you are at a buffet if this happens.

Edited July 19, 2016 by anotheruser

[spidermike007]

I think a cleaned-up Pattaya would prove popular with tourists. I often hear people complain about the need for a long journey or a flight to go between Bangkok and the beach, and I know it puts people off Thailand if they only have limited time - if you're here for a week you don't want to lose two days traveling to the islands and back.

Part of Pattaya appeals to the trade, and a very large part has nothing to do with it. Pattaya is huge. There are country clubs, very exclusive estates, far from town, there is a winery up in the hills, and much more. I suppose it may have started with the trade, but it is much more than that now. And the new groups of tourists are the Chinese. They are the zero baht tourists. They take up a tremendous amount of space on Walking Street. I would imagine back home, where they sign up for the budget tours, they have a poster that says: "Including a tour of the world famous forbidden zone of Pattaya", or "See what the depraved sex workers of Thailand look like, and where they work", or something like that. They eat in restaurants, for huge discounts arranged by the tour operators, they stay in hotels that are probably offering their rooms at 40% of the rack rate, and then they will buy a soda or juice at 7/11. Maybe an ice cream. That will be the extent of their spending.

And this brilliant tourism minister thinks that by building this segment of the industry, Thailand will prosper. I have a message for her. You are making a mistake of historic proportions. You will be listed in the history books, when they talk about the people who were responsible for the destruction of an entire lucrative industry. You may be responsible for raising the number of tourist arrivals. But, does that mean anything, if most of that money is being repatriated back to China? You are a fool.

People are saying that the sex industry is a big reason for some families not going to Pattaya. Soon the masses of Chinese will replace it as the deterrent to regular families wanting to go there. Nothing makes me want to vacate an are more than a group of Chinese showing up. God forbid you are at a buffet if this happens.

My guess is there is some truth to that. But, the tour groups with young kids in tow, cruising down Walking Street at 10pm, is quite a thing to witness. Follow the person with the flag!

A lot of people seem to feel that way about the Chinese tourists. Personally, I mind them so much less than the Russian tourists. At least the Chinese are somewhat jovial. I do not find them to be all that unpleasant. The Russians used to be very, very hard to tolerate. Their behavior might work on the streets of Moscow, but it is really out of place on the streets of Thailand. Such dour people. I am extremely thankful their numbers have dropped so dramatically. And I come from a Russian family. At least 100 years ago. When I asked my great grandmother to teach us about Russia, the only thing she would say is that the only thing we needed to know, was how eternally grateful they were to be able to leave. They used to say we are not Russian. We are American. We do not want to remember that place. Ever.

[DM07]

I was asked (repeatedly) on the other thread on this subject what I meant when I said that sex tourism attracted some unpleasant individuals.

I think some of the posts on this thread make it pretty clear.

Yeah...all those holier-than-thou'- guys on their high horses are pretty disgusting!

[Winniedapu]

Let not forget that prostitution is not widely available here because of foreigners. Thais are using that all the time. Any Karaoke bar in most remote area of the country the Thai customer can take out the waitress or waiter. It is part of their culture. Husband play on the side is Thai typical. Foreigner using bars or prostitution services are a very small percentage compare to Thai people.

Let's not forget that we're discussing the tourist minister here, so foreigners are most likely her main concern.

You are completely incorrect. What you said could not possibly be further from the truth. She has no concern for foreigners. Her only concerns are for politics, appearances, keeping the tourist trade moving forward (a very convoluted affair, in her own mind, without the required experience in the tourism industry) promoting Thailand overseas, etc. No concern for tourists that are already here. If she had any concern there are dozens of ways she could express that concern, with policies that benefitted tourists. Such as:

1. Public safety improvements.

2. Traffic safety improvements.

3. Setting up tourist information kiosks, that were not manned by someone selling a product, but rather an employee of the government, like you see in so many other countries that care, ready, willing, and able to provide useful information for tourists.

4. Abolishing the two tier pricing system at the National Parks, which many of us will not visit, due to the extortioner practices on admission fees.

5. Working on abolishing the scams that affect the industry.

I could go on and on and on. There is so much that could be done, if she cared one iota.

That seems to sum it up pretty well.

Winnie

[DM07]

Looking at post histories it's not surprising to find many of the pro-prostitute sexpats also share other views in 'common', ie: pro-Trump or pro-Brexit and/or pro-Thaksin, pro-gun even. Also many bang on about Thai xenophobes, yet back home are xenophobes themselves. It's somewhat ironic many are anti-immigrant back home, yet apparently it's ok for them to come to this country primarily to take advantage of economically disadvantaged young girls, usually young enough to be their own daughters (or younger).

Yes, the likes of Nana and other dens of desperation are on the wane as are the #s of equally desperate sexpats themselves. Might add, it's also nice it's becoming rarer to see a sweaty fat old sexpat groping his child-like 'rent a date' on the BTS as was prevalent a few years ago. All good.

Meanwhile, the 5 star hotels along the Choapraya etc are doing brisk trade with families and older couples, and young couples are enjoying holidays at guesthouses & mid range places at the beaches and up-country as well. Thailand's tourism and economy will manage just fine without desperate pathetic foreign sexpests thanks. However, if one's 'world' consists of Nana, or Cowboy etc, yes your world is fading fast and things will continue to become much bleaker for you. No wonder you lot are so angry all the time lol!

Yeah right...because there can never be a middle ground: either "one's world consists of Nana or Cowboy" or one is a bloody hypocrite!

What about having Nana be a part of THE world, you can either go to or stay away?

Oh no...not for a family man like you, who leaves in the morning for work, comes home in the evening and in free- time travels the beautiful temples and natural wonders of this country!

Boy, oh boy...

[DM07]

I hope they erase NANA from the map . Also Soi 6 and WS. Tourism will not suffer trust me. If you want sex use a dating app.

Will the dating- app also serve me a beer?

[thai3]

wishbeer deliver

[slippery snake]

I think a cleaned-up Pattaya would prove popular with tourists. I often hear people complain about the need for a long journey or a flight to go between Bangkok and the beach, and I know it puts people off Thailand if they only have limited time - if you're here for a week you don't want to lose two days traveling to the islands and back.

Part of Pattaya appeals to the trade, and a very large part has nothing to do with it. Pattaya is huge. There are country clubs, very exclusive estates, far from town, there is a winery up in the hills, and much more. I suppose it may have started with the trade, but it is much more than that now. And the new groups of tourists are the Chinese. They are the zero baht tourists. They take up a tremendous amount of space on Walking Street. I would imagine back home, where they sign up for the budget tours, they have a poster that says: "Including a tour of the world famous forbidden zone of Pattaya", or "See what the depraved sex workers of Thailand look like, and where they work", or something like that. They eat in restaurants, for huge discounts arranged by the tour operators, they stay in hotels that are probably offering their rooms at 40% of the rack rate, and then they will buy a soda or juice at 7/11. Maybe an ice cream. That will be the extent of their spending.

And this brilliant tourism minister thinks that by building this segment of the industry, Thailand will prosper. I have a message for her. You are making a mistake of historic proportions. You will be listed in the history books, when they talk about the people who were responsible for the destruction of an entire lucrative industry. You may be responsible for raising the number of tourist arrivals. But, does that mean anything, if most of that money is being repatriated back to China? You are a fool.

SoiBiker, The beach in Pattaya sucks, I was there last week. Here at Patong beach I often walk the length of the beach in the morning, but there one morning I was going to do the same, walked about 50 meters and gave up, water was dirty, and sand is very course. I would rather travel an hour by plane from BKK to come here, than 2 hours by taxi to get there any day, if I was looking to stay at a beach.... From BKK, a flight here is cheaper than the Taxi I took to get to Pattaya. Pattaya has cheaper condos, food and drinks than Patong , but I like a nice beach so I came to live here..

[bazza40]

Obviously my post was a tad bit idealistic and not likely to ever happen. It still isn't a bad idea though. As one poster said Pattaya used to be the place out in the sticks and then grew into what it is now. So in theory if you took some rice fields a short drive out of Pattaya and made the red light zone there you would produce some high value real estate out of pretty much thin air.

LOL At the guy comparing decent zoning laws to the racism that is apartheid. How delusional do you have to be to come up with such a comment?

Dress it up as "decent zoning laws" if you want. It's discrimination, just as apartheid was.

How would you like it if ghettos were created for all the wowsers? Oh I forgot - the USA has gated communities.

[lvr181]

I'd probably have visited by now if it was a regular resort.

[anotheruser]

Obviously my post was a tad bit idealistic and not likely to ever happen. It still isn't a bad idea though. As one poster said Pattaya used to be the place out in the sticks and then grew into what it is now. So in theory if you took some rice fields a short drive out of Pattaya and made the red light zone there you would produce some high value real estate out of pretty much thin air.

LOL At the guy comparing decent zoning laws to the racism that is apartheid. How delusional do you have to be to come up with such a comment?

Dress it up as "decent zoning laws" if you want. It's discrimination, just as apartheid was.

How would you like it if ghettos were created for all the wowsers? Oh I forgot - the USA has gated communities.

It isn't like that at all. It is no different than creating zoning and putting factories in one location. But sure if you think it is that discriminatory then just shut them all down and be done with it. Your assertions are verging upon lunacy. You will find this already exists at the current locations. I am only suggesting they move them further out as the locations they are at were zoned long ago and could perhaps be updated and everybody could live with it and be happy.

You really compare this to the ghettoes created in Warsaw?

Edited July 19, 2016 by anotheruser

[slippery snake]

I'd probably have visited by now if it was a regular resort.

yeah, you stay away then,, it is a resort town and millions visit there each year and most not for sex, besides just about every resort town anywhere you go, you can find girls selling their bodies, just may have to look a bit harder for them...

[SoiBiker]

Obviously my post was a tad bit idealistic and not likely to ever happen. It still isn't a bad idea though. As one poster said Pattaya used to be the place out in the sticks and then grew into what it is now. So in theory if you took some rice fields a short drive out of Pattaya and made the red light zone there you would produce some high value real estate out of pretty much thin air.

LOL At the guy comparing decent zoning laws to the racism that is apartheid. How delusional do you have to be to come up with such a comment?

Dress it up as "decent zoning laws" if you want. It's discrimination, just as apartheid was.

How would you like it if ghettos were created for all the wowsers? Oh I forgot - the USA has gated communities.

It isn't like that at all. It is no different than creating zoning and putting factories in one location. But sure if you think it is that discriminatory then just shut them all down and be done with it. Your assertions are verging upon lunacy. You will find this already exists at the current locations. I am only suggesting they move them further out as the locations they are at were zoned long ago and could perhaps be updated and everybody could live with it and be happy.

You really compare this to the ghettoes created in Warsaw?

It's a hilarious example of just how touchy some of these guys are about any perceived criticism of their chosen lifestyle.

All I've ever really said is that I don't use prostitutes myself, that many other men also choose not to do so, and that such a visible sex industry is perhaps not in Thailand's best interests. And in return I've been accused of being a religious puritan, a homosexual, a troll, a hen-pecked husband, a jealous repressed prude, and now attacked via the use of a straw man of such ridiculous proportions one expects to find Edward Woodward imprisoned within it.

Quite remarkable behaviour from grown men, really.

[sezze]

I think relocation is an interesting idea. It seems like most sex tourists are only interested in girls and beer, so there's no need for them to be at a beach resort or on prime downtown Bangkok real estate. Set up a bar zone for them out in the sticks somewhere where nobody else need go, and let them get on with it.

Interesting idea but it would not work .

I explain why.

You move the bars etc to the new area and create a hotel and something else zone in that place . So the people going there are staying in their hotels , with let's say a waterpark and a cinema and maybe a few restaurants , and probably a zoo and a temple or 2 . For going out fur they have to drive a few miles to the sticks whereever you did put your entertainment area . How long will it take before all the hotels are moved and the other place can also excist but will have a lot less people .

As you mention Pattaya , but why not make it a bit more like the real situation , so we include Patong Beach also . That is the entertainment area . At a entertainment-free area we have Huahin and Krabi ( both have entertainment but on a low level ) . Now check how many visitors the places got right now . Hmmm , it seems that Pattaya and Patong have a littlebit more tourists .

There are plenty of places in Thailand where you have to look for entertainment and all of them are not more then 2 or 3 hours more remote then Pattaya and Patong at the moment . If you move Pattaya and Patong , then there is where the majority goes .

Both Pattaya and Patong are not known to be the best spots for beach , temples or beautifull sceneries ( other then the obvious ...).Let's face it , They are there because of the entertainment industry nothing more nothing less . If you do not want that , plenty of other places in Thailand where you can go for whatever you want .

[turk56]

seen this many a time, fly thousands of miles to sit on their own. Then play the HIV lottery and spend the next few weeks worrying themselves sick, looks like loads of fun.

* Honestly, I don't think the punters give a SHYT if they contract HIV.

[anotheruser]

I think relocation is an interesting idea. It seems like most sex tourists are only interested in girls and beer, so there's no need for them to be at a beach resort or on prime downtown Bangkok real estate. Set up a bar zone for them out in the sticks somewhere where nobody else need go, and let them get on with it.

Interesting idea but it would not work .

I explain why.

You move the bars etc to the new area and create a hotel and something else zone in that place . So the people going there are staying in their hotels , with let's say a waterpark and a cinema and maybe a few restaurants , and probably a zoo and a temple or 2 . For going out fur they have to drive a few miles to the sticks whereever you did put your entertainment area . How long will it take before all the hotels are moved and the other place can also excist but will have a lot less people .

As you mention Pattaya , but why not make it a bit more like the real situation , so we include Patong Beach also . That is the entertainment area . At a entertainment-free area we have Huahin and Krabi ( both have entertainment but on a low level ) . Now check how many visitors the places got right now . Hmmm , it seems that Pattaya and Patong have a littlebit more tourists .

There are plenty of places in Thailand where you have to look for entertainment and all of them are not more then 2 or 3 hours more remote then Pattaya and Patong at the moment . If you move Pattaya and Patong , then there is where the majority goes .

Both Pattaya and Patong are not known to be the best spots for beach , temples or beautifull sceneries ( other then the obvious ...).Let's face it , They are there because of the entertainment industry nothing more nothing less . If you do not want that , plenty of other places in Thailand where you can go for whatever you want .

What came first the chicken or the egg? Patong had a great beach many years ago.You disconnect the sewer pipes running into the bay and it would be great again in 6 months of less. Oddly enough this thread has become more civil than many others on this site.

So I appreciate all of the comments from every view point. I think a good point being made is some the commercial scene isn't a great use of beach front property. Let it be moved back a little. Put Bangla closer to Nanai and let some nature come back a bit. Now you have a place where the beaches can be a bit nicer and there is room for the playboys with out the need for one confronting the other. Make Bangla into a tree lined pedestrian zone. You can get your girl of the night or guy and walk hand in hand down a tree lined lane. How about that for the girlfriend/boyfriend experience?

Live and let live.

[bazza40]

It's a hilarious example of just how touchy some of these guys are about any perceived criticism of their chosen lifestyle.

All I've ever really said is that I don't use prostitutes myself, that many other men also choose not to do so, and that such a visible sex industry is perhaps not in Thailand's best interests. And in return I've been accused of being a religious puritan, a homosexual, a troll, a hen-pecked husband, a jealous repressed prude, and now attacked via the use of a straw man of such ridiculous proportions one expects to find Edward Woodward imprisoned within it.

Quite remarkable behaviour from grown men, really.

You do convey the impression of holier-than-thou. That's what people like me find objectionable.

Perhaps if you were able to admit someone else's opinion had the same value as yours, you might not attract the criticism you currently get.

[SoiBiker]

It's a hilarious example of just how touchy some of these guys are about any perceived criticism of their chosen lifestyle.

All I've ever really said is that I don't use prostitutes myself, that many other men also choose not to do so, and that such a visible sex industry is perhaps not in Thailand's best interests. And in return I've been accused of being a religious puritan, a homosexual, a troll, a hen-pecked husband, a jealous repressed prude, and now attacked via the use of a straw man of such ridiculous proportions one expects to find Edward Woodward imprisoned within it.

Quite remarkable behaviour from grown men, really.

You do convey the impression of holier-than-thou. That's what people like me find objectionable.

Perhaps if you were able to admit someone else's opinion had the same value as yours, you might not attract the criticism you currently get.

I have no problem with the opinion of others, and do not seek to pass judgement on how others spend their time. You seem to be projecting this idea of holiness on to me because for some reason you read the fact that I choose to live my life differently as a criticism of how you live yours, but this is not the case.

Try actually reading my posts with an open mind, rather than just assuming a moral condemnation that really isn't present in them, and you might just get a more accurate impression of what I'm saying. We don't have to agree, but I'd prefer you disagreed with what I'm actually saying, rather than what you assume I stand for.

[SoiBiker]

Just to add, I think perhaps you (and some others here) are mistakenly assuming that my reason for not using prostitutes is down to some moral objection. This is not the case at all - the idea simply holds no appeal for me whatsoever.

[Winniedapu]

It's a hilarious example of just how touchy some of these guys are about any perceived criticism of their chosen lifestyle.

All I've ever really said is that I don't use prostitutes myself, that many other men also choose not to do so, and that such a visible sex industry is perhaps not in Thailand's best interests. And in return I've been accused of being a religious puritan, a homosexual, a troll, a hen-pecked husband, a jealous repressed prude, and now attacked via the use of a straw man of such ridiculous proportions one expects to find Edward Woodward imprisoned within it.

Quite remarkable behaviour from grown men, really.

You do convey the impression of holier-than-thou. That's what people like me find objectionable.

Perhaps if you were able to admit someone else's opinion had the same value as yours, you might not attract the criticism you currently get.

Perhaps he *is* holier than thou - in a non-religious sense. That would make sense of a lot of things perhaps.

Everyone has an opinion - opinions are like bottoms - everyone's got one and everyone's entitled to keep theirs. But not all opinions are equal, and on the subject of sexual habits, many opinions are more self-justifying than others. Best way of avoiding critical analysis of them is to keep them to yourself.

In a forum like this you are trying to sell your opinions to others, and others are trying to sell to you. If you were convinced that your opinion is the best for you, then you wouldn't feel the need to discuss it with anyone.

Human nature and social psychology, there just isn't any getting away from it.

Winnie

Edited July 19, 2016 by Winniedapu

[212Roger]

Just to add, I think perhaps you (and some others here) are mistakenly assuming that my reason for not using prostitutes is down to some moral objection. This is not the case at all - the idea simply holds no appeal for me whatsoever.

Or, perhaps, you have a small one. It's O.K. Go to PI, all the filipinos say; "but it's hard." 555

[anotheruser]

Just to add, I think perhaps you (and some others here) are mistakenly assuming that my reason for not using prostitutes is down to some moral objection. This is not the case at all - the idea simply holds no appeal for me whatsoever.

Or, perhaps, you have a small one. It's O.K. Go to PI, all the filipinos say; "but it's hard." 555

We will have to take your word for it, you must hear this personally.

[212Roger]

Just to add, I think perhaps you (and some others here) are mistakenly assuming that my reason for not using prostitutes is down to some moral objection. This is not the case at all - the idea simply holds no appeal for me whatsoever.

Or, perhaps, you have a small one. It's O.K. Go to PI, all the filipinos say; "but it's hard." 555

We will have to take your word for it, you must hear this personally.

All the girls hear this; they even tell me! Remember, my ex-wife is a filipina and having worked with them some thirty years in California, it's an ongoing joke/phrase. Anyone that has traveled much throughout PI will surely have come across this famous phrase. Just sharing a joke...

[balo]

People think that the HIV virus is no longer a problem in Thailand. Young girls from poor villages have unprotected sex with the village boys from 14 year and up and they will catch diseases and bring with them to Pattaya . And then you have the stupid farangs that ask for sex without using condoms every day of the week . Sure you can catch HIV today and live a good life on expensive drugs for the rest of your life but it will not help your immune system .

Stay healthy and use protection, you are responsible for many lifes if you do not play safe.

Edited July 19, 2016 by balo