"what Thaksin Had Done Wrong"

[keda]

Mr. PhD in criminology , PM, Pol, Lt., Col. CHEERED, TOLERATED and SUPPORTED this barbaric "concerted effort" before, during and after the killings.

Guilty.

Don't you daily 'CHEER, TOLERATE and SUPPORT the barbaric concerted effort of Allah's Finest, or the response of the civilised world? Does that make you responsible for the killings, according to your perception of which side has right on their side?

[keda]

For the latest updates on all the various aspects of "What Thaksin Had Done Wrong"... the convenient

Corruption Probe Watch provides it in one location:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/specials/corrubtion/

I find it interesting that none of the cases presented involve taxes owing on the 2006 SHIN sale to Temasek, which at one time was the main issue.

I think that is because it’s the kids debt. Don’t forget the are his version of the human shield.

Agreed, but still no tax fraud case. One would have thought that the very case that started this whole thing would be at the forefront of the accusations. Perhaps this isn't as easy to prove as they first thought.

The military is always waiting for their chance to strike, from the day after the last coup. This seems to be in line with the Thai version of democracy, which has the people elect leaders, and when it's clear they're not the leaders they thought they were electing, the military move in to make the adjustment.

What must they do before seemingly intelligent adults learn not to trust a military regime?

Edited March 5, 2007 by keda

[keda]

Thaksin impolite to King: Sonthi

Council for National Security chief General Sonthi Boonyaratglin has told Time magazine the ousted Thaksin Shinawatra regime was "disrespectful" of His Majesty the King and the Royal Family.

In an interview published in the latest Asia issue of Time, Sonthi says: "There are many cases in which the previous government was impolite to the Royal Family and to the King himself.

"The Thai people cannot and will not tolerate anybody who shows even slight disrespect to the King or his family."

Sonthi led the September 2006 coup that ousted Thaksin and his government.

He defended his action on the grounds that the Thaksin regime failed to deliver true democracy. The military had to step in, he said.

"There was interference with many organisations, especially the independent organisations established to oversee and scrutinise the government's actions. The previous government wanted to control the whole system.

"That [led to] large-scale corruption [and] vote-buying during local and general elections. The people knew about these things, and they could not accept it. As far as the army staging a coup, we could not just do it on our own. We needed the consent of the people to help us preserve democracy," he said.

Meanwhile, Thaksin on Friday delivered a speech to the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London. He called the address "Democracy at a Crossroads".

The former prime minister also told reporters that he wants to help in the political reconciliation process in Thailand and hopes the Council for National Security, which ousted his previous adminsitration, would be successful in returning the country to normalcy.

In his speech, Thaksin ironically talked about the values of democracy in national development.

Thaksin said effective participation, voting equality and free, fair and frequent elections were requirements inherent in the democratic process.

He added that freedom of expression, access to different and alternative sources of information and freedom of association were essential too.

The Nation

Sure, it's taken more than 5 months for a committee obsessed with attacking the ousted leader, to come up with this one. Oh well, I guess it works if the unthinking fall for it.

One thing for sure, it won't be me that asks how disrespectful it is for a group of toy soldiers to hold HM to ransom after a coup, thus obtaining his nod of approval.

And don't get me wrong because I'm no lover of Toxin, but I do think many have blindly leapt onto the bandwagon simply because it is there.

[jumnien]

Keda,

I fear you are about to be skewered by anti-Thaksin right-wing coup loving apologists. Run for your life!

[keda]

No plobrem at all, never did like the sob anyway, but thickos putting him in power does not mitigate taking over the country by military means.

That he's gone is final, because if he returns to within a bullet's range of Thailand he will prolly learn that that was his last mistake; but what I am trying to say, which is difficult when the sheep are baaing louder, is that we should not blindly follow one flag simply because we are told the other one was no good.

As I said before, whilst Chulanont seems to be sincere, and a fool may be as sincere as the wisest man that ever breathed, if those around him are liars, thieves and incompetents, then that will be his legacy.

[slimdog]

AEC to rule on cases against Thaksin administration

The Assets Examination Committee (AEC) is Tuesday set to rule on the cases of alleged graft scandals involving the deposed administration of Thaksin Shinawatra, its chairman Nam Yimyaem said Monday.

The scandals include the Krung Thai Bank loan, the purchase of fire vehicles by Bangkok Metropolitan Administration, and the two and three-digit lottery, he said.

If the AEC ruled that any of the cases were corrupt, it would establish an adhoc panel to investigate it [before passing the evidence to the Attorney General], he said.

The AEC would also consider other cases involving the rubber scam and the telecom excise tax, he added.

source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingne...newsid=30028537

[keda]

Let's hope they find him guilty of something, otherwise it defeats the entire object of a coup, eh?

[John K]

Thaksin's lawyers acknowledge CTX graft indictment

The defence team of ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra has acknowledged his graft indictments stemming from the purchase and installation of CTX 9000 explosives detection system at Suvarnabhumi Airport.

It plans to present a rebuttal by March 29.

The indictments centre on two contracts - one on the design and installation of baggage conveyor belt at the airport and another on the purchase of the CTX system from the supplier GE Invision, Thaksin's lawyer Somporn Pongsuwan said Friday.

"The defence team will inform Thaksin of his charges and he will then decide whether to rebut them in person or with a written statement," Somporn said.

He spoke after emerging from a closed-door session to learn about the alleged irregularities spelled out by the Assets Examination Committee (AEC).

The Nation

[Tony Clifton]

Let's see now what the then omnipresent, self - appointed chairman of the airport committee has to say about these irregularities. Plenty more to answer to later on on other contracts attributed to companies with no previous experience in installing other systems around the airport.

[John K]

Thaksin's lawyers acknowledge charges

Defence being mounted over purchase of bomb-detectors for Suvarnabhbumi

The defence team of ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra has acknowledged his graft indictments over the purchase and installation of CTX 9000 bomb-detection system at Suvarnabhumi Airport.

It plans to present a rebuttal by March 29.

The indictments centre on two contracts - one over the design and installation of the baggage conveyor belt at the airport and another over the purchase of the CTX system from the supplier - GE Invision - Thaksin's lawyer Somporn Pongsuwan said yesterday.

"The defence team will inform Thaksin the charges and he will then decide whether to rebut them in person or with a written statement," Somporn said.

He spoke after emerging from a closed-door session to learn about the alleged irregularities spelled out by the Assets Examination Committee (AEC).

The AEC named Thaksin, former transport minister Suriya Jungrungruangkit and the executive board members of Airports of Thailand (AOT) as suspects involved in the CTX deal.

Accused AOT board members include Thaksin's brother-in-law Somchai Wongsawat, senior public prosecutor Chaikasem Nitisiri and former board chairman Srisook Chandrangsu.

All of the accused, except Somchai, assigned their defence lawyers to acknowledge the charges on their behalf.

Somchai, a former permanent secretary for Justice, decided to represent himself at the indictment session.

Following the session, he said the AOT board had approved the CTX deal in good faith.

"I am not sure whether the indictments against me and other board members are a political game because we did everything in accordance with the laws and established procedures," he said.

He said he intended to prepare and present his rebuttal by himself. He is scheduled to present his defence on March 28.

Meanwhile, Noppadon Pattama, the Shinawatra family's legal adviser, yesterday accused the AEC of unfair practices against Thaksin, his family, and members of his Cabinet.

In regard to another graft investigation, Wanchai Honghern, husband of Kanchanapa, the private secretary of Thaksin's wife Pojaman, gave his statement to an AEC hearing on the controversial loan granted by state-controlled Krung Thai Bank.

Wanchai testified for the defence.

The loan in question was granted under alleged pressure from business figures linked to the Shinawatra family.

In another defence testimony to the AEC, Surin Upapatkun, the major shareholder of Kularb Kaew Co, outlined his involvement in the company. Many suspect his company acted as a nominee set up by Singapore's Temasek Holdings to execute the Shin Corp deal in 2006.

Surin returned after seven hours of questioning with AEC members, but he declined to comment.

Sak Korsaengruang, the AEC spokesman, said that the questioning was unrelated to the Department of Special Investigation's ongoing probe on Kularb Kaew. He added that Surin had "provided useful information".

[John K]

Noppadon Pattama, the Shinawatra family's legal adviser, yesterday accused the AEC of unfair practices against Thaksin, his family, and members of his Cabinet.

For some reason I keep visualizing a young boy of about 5 years old jumping up and down crying and screaming “It’s not fair... it’s not fair...it’s not fair!”

[Jai Dee]

Thaksin to face seven cases of lese majeste : Pol Gen Seripisut

Police are investigating on six cases of lese majeste against deposed prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, Police Chief Pol Gen Seripisut Temiyavej said Tuesday.

Three of the cases were already put forward for consideration to the public prosecutors who ordered police to provide more evidence.

Police still investigated three other cases, one of which was Thaksin's interview with CNN in Singapore early this year.

The Nation - 20 March 2007

[ThaiGoon]

Noppadon Pattama, the Shinawatra family's legal adviser, yesterday accused the AEC of unfair practices against Thaksin, his family, and members of his Cabinet.

For some reason I keep visualizing a young boy of about 5 years old jumping up and down crying and screaming “It’s not fair... it’s not fair...it’s not fair!”

[blaze]

Noppadon Pattama, the Shinawatra family's legal adviser, yesterday accused the AEC of unfair practices against Thaksin, his family, and members of his Cabinet.

For some reason I keep visualizing a young boy of about 5 years old jumping up and down crying and screaming “It’s not fair... it’s not fair...it’s not fair!”

Is it not a legal advisor's job to demand fair treatment for his client? I personally would hope so- should I ever face the Thai justice (or any other for that matter) system.

[Tony Clifton]

Why should Thaksin or his lawyer complain now, he got more than his share of fair treatment before he got the boot. Payback time.

The first 4 headlines on Today's Nation, all revolving around Thaksin.

Police probe six cases of lese majeste against ousted premier

Surin of Kularb Kew alleged to be nominee for Temasek

Human rights group urges action on Thailand's disappeared

Ex-minister Watana faces bribe charges

Edited March 20, 2007 by Tony Clifton

[John K]

Why should Thaksin or his lawyer complain now, he got more than his share of fair treatment before he got the boot. Payback time.

The first 4 headlines on Today's Nation, all revolving around Thaksin.

Police probe six cases of lese majeste against ousted premier

Surin of Kularb Kew alleged to be nominee for Temasek

Human rights group urges action on Thailand's disappeared

Ex-minister Watana faces bribe charges

Tony as much as you and I would like to see Thaksin take a fall, I think this is a dead end. All six counts of lese majeste (assuming) were outside of Thailand. Unless the laws of Thailand extend globally I can’t see much coming of this. I know some US laws mostly pertaining to sex crimes cover outside of the USA but they are negotiated with each country the same as extradition.

Can anyone contribute the letter of the law on this one?

[Naam]

Can anyone contribute the letter of the law on this one?

can somebody please explain to me WHY and WHO the EFF one should care what Thaksin has done wrong or right?

[sriracha john]

Why should Thaksin or his lawyer complain now, he got more than his share of fair treatment before he got the boot. Payback time.

The first 4 headlines on Today's Nation, all revolving around Thaksin.

Police probe six cases of lese majeste against ousted premier

Surin of Kularb Kew alleged to be nominee for Temasek

Human rights group urges action on Thailand's disappeared

Ex-minister Watana faces bribe charges

Tony as much as you and I would like to see Thaksin take a fall, I think this is a dead end. All six counts of lese majeste (assuming) were outside of Thailand. Unless the laws of Thailand extend globally I can’t see much coming of this. I know some US laws mostly pertaining to sex crimes cover outside of the USA but they are negotiated with each country the same as extradition.

Can anyone contribute the letter of the law on this one?

Not all of the alledged crimes were committed outside Thailand:

Police probe six cases of lese majeste against ousted premier

Police are investigating on six cases of lese majeste against deposed prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, one of which was his interview with CNN in Singapore early this year, Police Chief Pol Gen Seripisut Temiyavej said Tuesday.

Three of the cases were already put forward for consideration to the public prosecutors.

First was when Thaksin talked to a group of taxi drivers on December 5, 2005, second was when he said in his weekly radio talk and when flags with "Long Live the King" were used to receive his visit.

Public prosecutors have asked police to collect and provide more evidences on the cases.

Police still investigated other cases, one of which was Thaksin's interview with CNN in Singapore early this year, Seripisut said.

The police chief was speaking in a press conference to report police's works during six months after the military junta seized the power from Thaksin.

The Nation

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in regards to the above:

His Majesty the King's special flags handed out by Thaksin's staff for Thaksin's meeting with his people.

[sriracha john]

Ex-PM may be charged with offending king

THAI police have recommended ousted Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra be charged with three counts of lese majeste which could put him him in jail for 45 years, police chief Sereepisut Taemeeyaves said today.

The recommendation to public prosecutors was under consideration, he told a news conference marking six months since Mr Thaksin was ousted in a bloodless coup.

"The prosecutors want us to provide them more evidence on some of the cases before they decide whether to charge Thaksin in court," Mr Sereepisut said.

The three potential charges of offending revered King Bhumibol Adulyadej stemmed from remarks to a group of taxi drivers, his weekly national radio address, and his supporters waving Thai flags saying "Long Live His Majesty".

Mr Sereepisut and Attorney-General Patchara Utithamdamrong declined to give more details, citing the sensitivity of cases involving the world's longest reigning monarch who has exalted status in Thailand.

"The National Police Bureau and the Attorney-General's Office agree that any political activities or any political conflicts must not drag down the monarchy," Mr Patchara said without saying how long it would take the prosecutors to decide.

A charge of lese majeste carries a penalty of three to 15 years in jail in Thailand, one of the few countries that prosecutes strictly anything deemed to demean the royal family.

Few other countries have lese majeste on the books and prosecutions are infrequent.

Law experts say a major problem is that the law is vague and almost anyone can level an accusation of lese majeste, thereby triggering a police investigation, allowing political opponents to accuse each other of offending the monarch.

Last year, Mr Thaksin and his enemies hurled scores of lese majeste accusations at each other. Mr Thaksin's alleged disrespect for the monarchy was one of the reasons for the coup.

- news.com.au

[John K]

I stand corrected, so then there is some substance to this. Without looking very deeply it seems a bit vague and perhaps unintentional. No were near as serous as spay painting over photos of the King, but non the less, knowing Thaksin’s arrogance there could very well be some basis for this.

[Tony Clifton]

Probably busy working on a few speeches that will be read by his mouthpieces and minions on Friday's PTV rally at Sanam Luang.

[Tony Clifton]

previous post is in wrong topic.

[Siripon]

There's no point in continuing this discussion because the very young husband informed this forum sometime ago it was impossible that Thaksin would ever be prosecuted for lese majeste as it would drag in people beyond reproach and become very messy. He was adamant on this.

[blaze]

There's no point in continuing this discussion because the very young husband informed this forum sometime ago it was impossible that Thaksin would ever be prosecuted for lese majeste as it would drag in people beyond reproach and become very messy. He was adamant on this.

What do you think Siripon? How would the junta expect this to play in the international arena- or would they care? And just where IS Younghusband? Disappeared?

[hammered]

Ex-PM may be charged with offending king

THAI police have recommended ousted Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra be charged with three counts of lese majeste which could put him him in jail for 45 years, police chief Sereepisut Taemeeyaves said today.

The recommendation to public prosecutors was under consideration, he told a news conference marking six months since Mr Thaksin was ousted in a bloodless coup.

"The prosecutors want us to provide them more evidence on some of the cases before they decide whether to charge Thaksin in court," Mr Sereepisut said.

The three potential charges of offending revered King Bhumibol Adulyadej stemmed from remarks to a group of taxi drivers, his weekly national radio address, and his supporters waving Thai flags saying "Long Live His Majesty".

Mr Sereepisut and Attorney-General Patchara Utithamdamrong declined to give more details, citing the sensitivity of cases involving the world's longest reigning monarch who has exalted status in Thailand.

"The National Police Bureau and the Attorney-General's Office agree that any political activities or any political conflicts must not drag down the monarchy," Mr Patchara said without saying how long it would take the prosecutors to decide.

A charge of lese majeste carries a penalty of three to 15 years in jail in Thailand, one of the few countries that prosecutes strictly anything deemed to demean the royal family.

Few other countries have lese majeste on the books and prosecutions are infrequent.

Law experts say a major problem is that the law is vague and almost anyone can level an accusation of lese majeste, thereby triggering a police investigation, allowing political opponents to accuse each other of offending the monarch.

Last year, Mr Thaksin and his enemies hurled scores of lese majeste accusations at each other. Mr Thaksin's alleged disrespect for the monarchy was one of the reasons for the coup.

- news.com.au

If he goes down on one of these charges his upcountry popularity will be sorely tested to say the least. The stakes are clearly being raised. If he goes down on one of these charges it wont go down so well abroad however. It willbeinteresting to se if the TRT (oh sorry i mean PTV) Sanam Luang gathering will get itself into a mess by commenting on the remarks. There are some hot headed individuals involved in the PTV TRT front.

[blaze]

Ex-PM may be charged with offending king

THAI police have recommended ousted Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra be charged with three counts of lese majeste which could put him him in jail for 45 years, police chief Sereepisut Taemeeyaves said today.

The recommendation to public prosecutors was under consideration, he told a news conference marking six months since Mr Thaksin was ousted in a bloodless coup.

"The prosecutors want us to provide them more evidence on some of the cases before they decide whether to charge Thaksin in court," Mr Sereepisut said.

The three potential charges of offending revered King Bhumibol Adulyadej stemmed from remarks to a group of taxi drivers, his weekly national radio address, and his supporters waving Thai flags saying "Long Live His Majesty".

Mr Sereepisut and Attorney-General Patchara Utithamdamrong declined to give more details, citing the sensitivity of cases involving the world's longest reigning monarch who has exalted status in Thailand.

"The National Police Bureau and the Attorney-General's Office agree that any political activities or any political conflicts must not drag down the monarchy," Mr Patchara said without saying how long it would take the prosecutors to decide.

A charge of lese majeste carries a penalty of three to 15 years in jail in Thailand, one of the few countries that prosecutes strictly anything deemed to demean the royal family.

Few other countries have lese majeste on the books and prosecutions are infrequent.

Law experts say a major problem is that the law is vague and almost anyone can level an accusation of lese majeste, thereby triggering a police investigation, allowing political opponents to accuse each other of offending the monarch.

Last year, Mr Thaksin and his enemies hurled scores of lese majeste accusations at each other. Mr Thaksin's alleged disrespect for the monarchy was one of the reasons for the coup.

- news.com.au

If he goes down on one of these charges his upcountry popularity will be sorely tested to say the least. The stakes are clearly being raised. If he goes down on one of these charges it wont go down so well abroad however. It willbeinteresting to se if the TRT (oh sorry i mean PTV) Sanam Luang gathering will get itself into a mess by commenting on the remarks. There are some hot headed individuals involved in the PTV TRT front.

I think - I hope- that when push comes to shove the prosecutors- will realize just how high those stakes are and in the interests of preserving what peace remains, step lightly. The stakes are high. Very very high indeed. A real risky plan- and never mind the international aspects.

[sriracha john]

Former Thai PM named on corruption list

Former Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has been named on a list aimed at punishing political corruption, the Assets Scrutiny Committee said.

Along with the deposed prime minister, the Bangkok Post said that the list features names of 149 others, including several senior government officials and Cabinet ministers behind 2003's digit lottery.

The list for those facing possible future prosecution represents part of an ongoing effort by the Council for National Security to root out any corruption or malfeasance in Thailand.

Just as an ASC spokesman confirmed the group would conclude all of its corruption cases by year's end, Attorney General Pachara Yutidhammadamrong said those implicated would be punished.

"As the attorney general, I promise to look into facts from both agencies (the ASC and the National Counter Corruption Commission), and take prompt and proper actions... Please be assured that the cheats will be brought to justice," he said.

The paper said that among the charges against Thaksin are five counts of crimes committed against the state or reigning sovereign.

- Washington Times

[Siripon]

There's no point in continuing this discussion because the very young husband informed this forum sometime ago it was impossible that Thaksin would ever be prosecuted for lese majeste as it would drag in people beyond reproach and become very messy. He was adamant on this.

What do you think Siripon? How would the junta expect this to play in the international arena- or would they care? And just where IS Younghusband? Disappeared?

This is a domestic issue, there has to be clear evidence of disrespect otherwise it's a non-starter.

Personally I think there was a lot of insolence, totally unsuitable for a PM, on those grounds alone Thaksin knows he should hang his head in shame.

Regarding the disappearance of the young husband- he was seen to be bundled into a car on Phetburi Dtad Mai road by 4 burly farangs who claimed to be upset by his patronising and condescending tone. The car sped in the Sri Racha direction heading for the home of the notorious godfather Kamnan John.

A Por Tek Teung ambulance driven by the noted socialist Colonel Pyattaya tried to intervene but was stopped by traffic police for being politically incorrect in the present political climate.

He was fined 5,000 baht for persistent abuse of the English language, (spelling mistakes was his main offence).

[Tony Clifton]

[sriracha john]