Government refutes Yingluck’s distorted facts on PM

[webfact]

Government refutes Yingluck’s distorted facts on PM

 

 

BANGKOK: -- The government today refuted a recent claim by former prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra that the prime minister has ordered to bypass justice in assessing damages from her rice pledging scheme.

 

At today’s press conference, government spokesman Maj Gen Sansern Kaewkamnerd said what Ms Yingluck claimed during her testimony in the Supreme Court might be from her wrong interpretation of the document of the rice policy management committee.

 

He said the document was just a conclusive report of the 3/2559 meeting of the committee which did not mention in particular who said this statement.

 

But from the review of the report, it was a statement of a committee member who was in the meeting, and not the words of the prime minister, the spokesman said.

 

He went on saying that the intention of that committee member was in fact to clarify that the committee as tasked only to assess the cost of damages from the rice scheme, while the justice for relevant people concerned, was the matter of the court to consider.

 

The spokesman said he was uncertain of the real intention of Ms Yingluck if her speaking was meant to discredit the prime minister.

 

Only if her team of lawyers had carefully studied the details in the document, or to inquire more  information from responsible persons, this should not have happened, Maj Gen Sansern said.

 

He said the former prime minister did not only give distorted information during her testimony in court, the false information was also posted on the social media to create confusion and misunderstanding of the prime minister  between the people.

 

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/government-refutes-yinglucks-distorted-facts-pm/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2016-08-11

 

 

 

 

[Reigntax]

"..meant to discredit the PM". Impossible that she could do this any better than the PM himself.   Daily!

[chuang]

So 'someone' did made the statement..

[smutcakes]

You would of thought they had learnt their lesson with the single gateway cock up.

[MissAndry]

Presumably if Yingluck is found responsible for the previous rice subsidy losses, then Prayut will accept personal liability for the current rubber and rice subsidy losses.

 

Seems a risky idea to me!

Edited August 11, 2016 by MissAndry

[sweatalot]

9 minutes ago, MissAndry said:

Presumably if Yingluck is found responsible for the previous rice subsidy losses, then Prayut will accept personal liability for the current rubber and rice subsidy losses.

 

Seems a risky idea to me!

 

Could you please enlighten us about "the current rubber and rice subsidy losses."

[MissAndry]

4 minutes ago, sweatalot said:

 

Could you please enlighten us about "the current rubber and rice subsidy losses."

Here you go ......... 3.9Bn is wrong as simple arithmetic already prices the subsidy at around 90Bn. I'll leave you to find the rubber by yourself.

Edited August 11, 2016 by MissAndry

[chainarong]

The position from now on is one of suspicion , with a Junta you can never tell the truth from half truths down to no truth , unless you have more positive information , anything that emanates from the Junta should be taken in context as B/S ...................................................

[yellowboat]

33 minutes ago, MissAndry said:

Presumably if Yingluck is found responsible for the previous rice subsidy losses, then Prayut will accept personal liability for the current rubber and rice subsidy losses.

 

Seems a risky idea to me!

 

The general, in selflessly usurping power from an elected government, wrote himself a get out of jail free clause while he is in charge.  We would all love to see this pompous brat dragged in front if a real court, but it will probably never happen.  The best we can hope for is that history will compare Thailand's downward spiral with what is happening in Burma.   

[williamgeorgeallen]

only good thing about the coming years of army rule is that ying luck will be held accountable for her governments rice scam losses. i predict she will be leaving the country to go visit her brother for an extended visit before the next elections. she sure has had enough time to get some of her money out of the country. 

[SOTIRIOS]

...should be charged with defamation and treason......

[Ricardo]

1 hour ago, MissAndry said:

Here you go ......... 3.9Bn is wrong as simple arithmetic already prices the subsidy at around 90Bn. I'll leave you to find the rubber by yourself.

 

 

But won't the rice need to be sold, under this scheme, before you can calculate whether-or-not there is any loss resulting ?

 

I'd view this scheme as being more like the long-running, under several governments, price-smoothing scheme for petrol & diesel retail-pricing. (called the Oil Levy, IIRC)

Edited August 11, 2016 by Ricardo

[Eric Loh]

So there really is a discussion about bypassing the justice system in assessing the rice scheme damages and was minuted. The confidential meeting minutes were exposed by a someone in the committee. This is almost as close to an admissible evidence and will put the junta on the defensive. Will see how the supreme court view this important piece of evidence though I am not expecting too much. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[phantomfiddler]

If she was smart she would keep her mouth shut, especially since it was "big bruv" who ripped this country off more than anyone ever did. She should be thrown in the nick with bail set at the amount of losses incurred by the family, and let,s see how high a regard bruv has for his little sister

[waldroj]

Oh, this is just classic Sansern! He is fast becoming the Sir Humphrey Appleby of the junta!

 

He said, "...what Ms Yingluck claimed...might be from her wrong interpretation of the document...(which)...was just a conclusive report of the 3/2559 meeting of the committee which did not mention in particular who said this statement. But from the review...it was a statement of a committee member who was in the meeting, and not the words of the prime minister...the intention of that committee member was in fact to clarify that the committee as tasked only to assess the cost of damages from the rice scheme, while the justice for relevant people concerned, was the matter of the court to consider...".

 

No prizes for guessing who takes on the role of the Right Honourable James Hacker MP in this lineup!

 

 

[dominique355]

Why does the government think it needs to answer a statement given by a party in a court procedure?

 

Ever heard of "Separation of Power"? 

 

Probably not, after reading the constitution voted on last Sunday.

 

 

[LannaGuy]

Maj Gen Sansern Kaewkamnerd how do you sleep at night?

[mrmicbkktxl]

50 minutes ago, phantomfiddler said:

If she was smart she would keep her mouth shut, especially since it was "big bruv" who ripped this country off more than anyone ever did. She should be thrown in the nick with bail set at the amount of losses incurred by the family, and let,s see how high a regard bruv has for his little sister

Could you please enlighten me how he or and she ripped of this country,with facts and numbers?

[JAG]

3 hours ago, MissAndry said:

Presumably if Yingluck is found responsible for the previous rice subsidy losses, then Prayut will accept personal liability for the current rubber and rice subsidy losses.

 

Seems a risky idea to me!

Naah, he's got an amnesty remember...

[seajae]

lets be fair about this, we all know yl has the brains of a flea and that she is incapable of any rational thought, all her statements are written for her by others, she just repeats them. To see proof all you have to do is watch her do a live interview, she is completely baffled and just waffles crap unless she is reading it from her notes compiled for her. 

[Baerboxer]

4 hours ago, smutcakes said:

You would of thought they had learnt their lesson with the single gateway cock up.

 

You'd have thought Thaksin would have learnt his lesson with the Amnesty farce. Or Yingluck would be embarrassed being caught lying so often.

 

But, politicians, even pretend ones are thick skinned if nothing else.

[Baerboxer]

31 minutes ago, JAG said:

Naah, he's got an amnesty remember...

 

Nothing to do with that. Yingluck was the self appointed and self confirmed head and in charge of a policy that was supposedly self financing. She chose to never attend the meetings she appointed herself to chair, not to act on any warnings from numerous internal and external sources other than to deny any problems. She also chose to never divulge any financial accounts to explain where all the money has actually gone.

 

Comparing the self financing off budget non accounts released rice scheme with a normal government subsidy is like comparing apples and pears.

 

Or do you think it was all perfectly innocent, well managed and delivered benefits to those claimed?

[Baerboxer]

47 minutes ago, mrmicbkktxl said:

Could you please enlighten me how he or and she ripped of this country,with facts and numbers?

 

Could you persuade PTP,  possibly the self confessed liar and former Finance Minister, to provide detailed financial accounts? Then we'd all know the answer to your question where the billions went.

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, dominique355 said:

Why does the government think it needs to answer a statement given by a party in a court procedure?

 

Ever heard of "Separation of Power"? 

 

Probably not, after reading the constitution voted on last Sunday.

 

 

 

I guess making a statement as she did, YL is pinning her defense on claiming she's been denied justice i.e. found innocent rather than actually trying to defend the charges and explaining how she wasn't negligent - which would be a tad difficult given the circumstances.

 

The fact she or her minions post it on social media in the public domain, which is again indicative that they don't want to fight or discuss the specific charges, solicits reply.

 

It was not that committees job to ensure justice. That is the job of the courts.

 

When oh when is someone going to ask her to explain her management decision to never attend meetings she appointed herself to chair; or why she didn't follow up on all those warnings; or where the accounts are?

[Winniedapu]

Thais sometimes have a very odd understanding of the word 'fact'. 

 

Amongst other things.

 

Winnie

[Winniedapu]

49 minutes ago, JAG said:

Naah, he's got an amnesty remember...

 

His amnesty won't count for very much. come the day.

 

Hopefully.

 

Winnie

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, yellowboat said:

 

The general, in selflessly usurping power from an elected government, wrote himself a get out of jail free clause while he is in charge.  We would all love to see this pompous brat dragged in front if a real court, but it will probably never happen.  The best we can hope for is that history will compare Thailand's downward spiral with what is happening in Burma.   

 

An elected government who'd handed all power to a crooked fugitive, refused to obey the law, persistently lied, dissolved parliament and were in caretaker mode, had their supposed leader removed by a court for an illegal abuse of power,  were under siege from protesters inflamed at the attempt to by-pass parliamentary procedure and ram through a whitewash amnesty for their owner and dictator, and allowing violent attacks and murders of those who opposed them along with innocent bystanders and children.

 

Hopefully history will use the Shin kleptocracy years this century to show what can happen when a Chinese feudal clan tries to dominate a country and introduce a political dynasty to run things for its own benefit.

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

So there really is a discussion about bypassing the justice system in assessing the rice scheme damages and was minuted. The confidential meeting minutes were exposed by a someone in the committee. This is almost as close to an admissible evidence and will put the junta on the defensive. Will see how the supreme court view this important piece of evidence though I am not expecting too much. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, your pro Shin spin, as usual simply ignores reality.

 

The committee assessing the damages were tasked with ............ assessing the damages. It was not for that committee to decide on the legalities or justice of anything. That is a job for the Attorney General and the courts.

 

Nice try at deflection from the banal Shin legal team, but a bit obvious. Let's try and stay on topic because YL and her team daren't as they know how weak their defense is.

[tbthailand]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

He said the former prime minister did not only give distorted information during her testimony in court, the false information was also posted on the social media to create confusion and misunderstanding of the prime minister  between the people.

 

so if she is distorting information that could lead to a misunderstanding which deserves a good ol' AA session... 

 

Then posting it on social media should get her a computer crimes act violation... 

 

Maybe we are seeing a new strategy to put her behind bars?

 

Morons... 

[candide]

38 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

No, your pro Shin spin, as usual simply ignores reality.

 

The committee assessing the damages were tasked with ............ assessing the damages. It was not for that committee to decide on the legalities or justice of anything. That is a job for the Attorney General and the courts.

 

Nice try at deflection from the banal Shin legal team, but a bit obvious. Let's try and stay on topic because YL and her team daren't as they know how weak their defense is.

It has nothing to do with the court. It's about an administrative order from the ministry  of commerce to fine her. 

The Court case is independent from this fine. It will be only an administrative decision by the government.

Let's stay on topic.