Keep Fit at Home

[robblok]

1 minute ago, mcfish said:

I had to chukle about the clothes rack a few posts back. My ex wife blew out after being pregnant and bought a rowing machine from some infomercial.. We'll let's just say there are far cheaper ways to hang wet towels lol

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If you got a concept 2 rower you can easily sell it they are really wanted. Mainly because its hard to wear and tear them. They are commercial gym quality. 

 

Other rowers.. hmmm less so .

[NoshowJones]

12 minutes ago, kenk24 said:

for the 30 baht daily fee

??????? It should be free.

[Laza 45]

3 hours ago, williet98248 said:

Depends on your commitment.  I have an entire gym in my sala. I bought all the equipment second hand for satang on the baht.  My machine is an elliptical trainer that I paid less than half of new for.  I was also able to pick up a universal gym machine for 1500 baht and 500 baht to be delivered.  Probably cost 40-50 K when purchased new.  When it rains I use the trainer. and do weight training using my second hand weights and universal machjine. When good weather I am out on my bicycle for 25-40 kms.  A really big thing is changing your diet cutting wayyyyy back on sugar, salt, alcohol and calories.  My meals average 500-800 cals for about 2000 cals a day.  If you need to lose weight keep a food diary and limit yourself to less than 1800 cals a day plus the cals lost through your exercise program.  You will drop weight like crazy and put on muscle.  You can find 'weight training programs for old guys' on the internet.  I highly recommend the Life Plan by Dr Jeffery Life which is a fitness/diet book specifically aimed at older men.  Amazon or eBay.  Or I will sell you my copy.  Dr Life has the body of a 30 year old man and the face of a 74 year old man.  Five years ago I weighed 204 pounds.  This morning I weighed in at 182.  Waist from 39 inches to 36.  Motivation will be your problem.  Changing your unhealthy, smoking, drinking friends for health conscious people will help a lot.  I have a bike buddy and we push each other.  Try to get out on the bikes at least three times a week.  If you have to go to the bar to visit your friends have one  drink and then change to soda water.  That drink adds at least 140 cals to your food diary.  The packet of sugar in your coffee is 25 cals, etc.  Go home early and get a good night's sleep.  A good motivator is to get a 25 year old non drinking hot girlfriend and try to keep up with her.  Good luck.

All good advice.. any tips on where to buy second-hand equipment?  I'd like to get a cross trainer (elliptical).. 

[ChrisKC]

Like business start-ups, more than 80% fail because they either didn't know and understand what they were doing or made no plan. The number of people who have good incentive (reason for doing something) lose motivation (what makes them do it) because they didn't think it through or get good advice. This resulted in them paying for a six month membership at a gym, going to aerobic classes and so on, doing too much; it was uncomfortable and painful so their motivation for continuing was naturally undermined.

These days, on the Internet, not necessarily always this visa forum, there are Specialists in just about any subject you can think of and there many websites from which research will provide a consensus of the best way forward for the OP

When I was 24, I was healthy but not fit. I wanted to play football for a local team. I was invited to train with them one evening. I ran round the pitch for an hour and was totally knackered and I could hardly walk home. I never went again - I had muscle damage due to doing too much first time out.

[1FinickyOne]

9 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

??????? It should be free.

 30 baht is the fee for the storefront fitness center or gym as we might call it... that pays their rent and a/c and for the lovely little hand towel they give me... 

 

Yes, outdoors is definitely free... 

[csabo]

You don't need to buy anything or go anywhere to be fit.  There a ton of free "bodyweight workout" apps available that have levels from beginner to insane.  That and cutting calories will do the trick.  

[iancnx]

Many thanks for most of the responses.  Just to reiterate my question was regarding the quality of the brands of the home fitness equipment listed in Lazada.

 

Nevertheless an interesting debate so I will answer the questions as best I can.

 

I served in the British Army for 23 years so I know my way around gymnasiums and strenuous fitness regimes - I was once a very lean, mean, fighting machine.  I left 15 years ago aged 40 - weight around 76 kg - waist 34 inches.

 

Between the ages 40 - 50 I led a very active life globally with frequent travel, more parties than I can recall, but kept reasonably fit and exercised whenever able.

 

At age 50 my chronic gout condition turned dilapidating and has been an increasing problem for the past five years with more and more acute attacks putting me on my back.  I stubbornly thought rural doctors and meds could help me.  A big mistake.  This has led to less ability to exercise, though I do walk the dog regularly when I can for an hour in the morning and 30 mins in the evening in the woods (on his lead).

 

I live out in the sticks with the nearest town 15 km away - no gym.  The nearest city is 90 mins drive away (Phrae).  I recently attended RAM Phrae to address the gout, and the full medical reveals sky high bad cholesterol, slightly raised BP and hyperruricemia (=gout).

 

I am now 84 kg, some 8 kg heavier than when I left the army 15 years ago and now have a 36 inch waist.  I feel fit when not in pain with my gout/joints and reckon I could easily get back to 5 miles jogging with ease at 9 min miles. I do feel heavy though.

 

The gout is now being addressed having seen a real specialist kidney consultant as opposed to some rural quack who pretends. The med results concludes  a new fitness regime is needed to suit my personal circumstances.  Now here is the rub.  Where I live in the North, the thick smog from the burning season last year ran from late November to May.  I am talking SMOKE both from the locals burning the rice harvest straw, and the blown-in smog from Myanmar and Laos; polluted enough to make walking the dog for longer than 5 mins positively unhealthy.  You can forget bike and running.

 

So this leads me back to the OP if anyone can please help.  A gym is not available so I need to buy.  Just to reiterate my question was regarding the quality of the brands of the home fitness equipment listed in Lazada - does anyone have any recommendations which are good and which are to be avoided?.  Many thanks in anticipation.

[robblok]

9 minutes ago, iancnx said:

Many thanks for most of the responses.  Just to reiterate my question was regarding the quality of the brands of the home fitness equipment listed in Lazada.

 

Nevertheless an interesting debate so I will answer the questions as best I can.

 

I served in the British Army for 23 years so I know my way around gymnasiums and strenuous fitness regimes - I was once a very lean, mean, fighting machine.  I left 15 years ago aged 40 - weight around 76 kg - waist 34 inches.

 

Between the ages 40 - 50 I led a very active life globally with frequent travel, more parties than I can recall, but kept reasonably fit and exercised whenever able.

 

At age 50 my chronic gout condition turned dilapidating and has been an increasing problem for the past five years with more and more acute attacks putting me on my back.  I stubbornly thought rural doctors and meds could help me.  A big mistake.  This has led to less ability to exercise, though I do walk the dog regularly when I can for an hour in the morning and 30 mins in the evening in the woods (on his lead).

 

I live out in the sticks with the nearest town 15 km away - no gym.  The nearest city is 90 mins drive away (Phrae).  I recently attended RAM Phrae to address the gout, and the full medical reveals sky high bad cholesterol, slightly raised BP and hyperruricemia (=gout).

 

I am now 84 kg, some 8 kg heavier than when I left the army 15 years ago and now have a 36 inch waist.  I feel fit when not in pain with my gout/joints and reckon I could easily get back to 5 miles jogging with ease at 9 min miles. I do feel heavy though.

 

The gout is now being addressed having seen a real specialist kidney consultant as opposed to some rural quack who pretends. The med results concludes  a new fitness regime is needed to suit my personal circumstances.  Now here is the rub.  Where I live in the North, the thick smog from the burning season last year ran from late November to May.  I am talking SMOKE both from the locals burning the rice harvest straw, and the blown-in smog from Myanmar and Laos; polluted enough to make walking the dog for longer than 5 mins positively unhealthy.  You can forget bike and running.

 

So this leads me back to the OP if anyone can please help.  A gym is not available so I need to buy.  Just to reiterate my question was regarding the quality of the brands of the home fitness equipment listed in Lazada - does anyone have any recommendations which are good and which are to be avoided?.  Many thanks in anticipation.

 

In general these treadmills are far cheaper than those used in gyms. There is a reason for that. Its hard to produce a good quality treadmill for this price. Don't expect too much for 25.000 bt 

 

That was why i mentioned the rower from concept. I have used a few kinds of treadmills at home and they never were that great unlike those in the gym. 

 

 

[iancnx]

Thanks Robblok.  Do you have a link to the rower you mention?

[dddave]

5 hours ago, BKKdreaming said:

so maybe take the bus a few stops and walk back home

That's actually not a bad idea.....Thanks.

[robblok]

11 minutes ago, iancnx said:

Thanks Robblok.  Do you have a link to the rower you mention?

 

Not a Thai link at this moment. I imported my own from the US. Gym equipment attracts a 10% duty and 7% vat

 

http://www.concept2.com/

 

I do know that they are available in Thailand, believe more expensive as getting yourself. But it could be useful to check. I got mine more then 5 years now. In a rower like that there are not many moving parts so no maintenance needed (no motor) just a flywheel (not sure if its a good translation.

 

An other advantage is that you can store it easily because its 2 parts easy to move with you if you decide to move.

 

 

[iancnx]

1 hour ago, JSixpack said:

 

Walking is  indeed beneficial. 17 Health Benefits of Walking. OP can run or do intervals on his treadmill.

 

OP, get a good used (or new) treadmill as you plan. Just 'cause others here are using theirs as a clothes hanger doesn't mean that you will. In fact lots of people do use their home exercise equipment, including treadmills. You can do bodyweight exercises, and even better with a suspension trainer. A doorframe pull up bar would be nice. I say that for the average person (average), bodyweight is all he needs and is the least likely to cause injury. So convenient and saves time & money.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=body+weight+workout

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=trx+workout

 

Jsixpack. Many thanks, and I suspect you are right.  

 

The treadmill I am looking at is designed for a very heavy man (up to 150kg), has a auto incline, 12 programs with a max run speed at 18kmh (3hp motor).  The fastest I ever ran in my life was 15 kmh, and now my target would be closer to 10kmh, less with the incline.

 

My point is the treadmill I am looking at  would be running at a little over 50% capacity so this might add to the longevity and reliability of the equipment.  Add to this the cushioning effect of the shock absorbing features will be kinder on my knees and ankles than pounding the road.

 

Do you or any of your friends have knowledge of the local brands?

[1FinickyOne]

20 minutes ago, iancnx said:

Many thanks for most of the responses.  Just to reiterate my question was regarding the quality of the brands of the home fitness equipment listed in Lazada.

 

Nevertheless an interesting debate so I will answer the questions as best I can.

 

I served in the British Army for 23 years so I know my way around gymnasiums and strenuous fitness regimes - I was once a very lean, mean, fighting machine.  I left 15 years ago aged 40 - weight around 76 kg - waist 34 inches.

 

Between the ages 40 - 50 I led a very active life globally with frequent travel, more parties than I can recall, but kept reasonably fit and exercised whenever able.

 

At age 50 my chronic gout condition turned dilapidating and has been an increasing problem for the past five years with more and more acute attacks putting me on my back.  I stubbornly thought rural doctors and meds could help me.  A big mistake.  This has led to less ability to exercise, though I do walk the dog regularly when I can for an hour in the morning and 30 mins in the evening in the woods (on his lead).

 

I live out in the sticks with the nearest town 15 km away - no gym.  The nearest city is 90 mins drive away (Phrae).  I recently attended RAM Phrae to address the gout, and the full medical reveals sky high bad cholesterol, slightly raised BP and hyperruricemia (=gout).

 

I am now 84 kg, some 8 kg heavier than when I left the army 15 years ago and now have a 36 inch waist.  I feel fit when not in pain with my gout/joints and reckon I could easily get back to 5 miles jogging with ease at 9 min miles. I do feel heavy though.

 

The gout is now being addressed having seen a real specialist kidney consultant as opposed to some rural quack who pretends. The med results concludes  a new fitness regime is needed to suit my personal circumstances.  Now here is the rub.  Where I live in the North, the thick smog from the burning season last year ran from late November to May.  I am talking SMOKE both from the locals burning the rice harvest straw, and the blown-in smog from Myanmar and Laos; polluted enough to make walking the dog for longer than 5 mins positively unhealthy.  You can forget bike and running.

 

So this leads me back to the OP if anyone can please help.  A gym is not available so I need to buy.  Just to reiterate my question was regarding the quality of the brands of the home fitness equipment listed in Lazada - does anyone have any recommendations which are good and which are to be avoided?.  Many thanks in anticipation.

 

Ha ha... oh, you again - just kidding... these threads do get hijacked... have had it happen to me too... 

 

You are going to have to do research on each brand available. Probably plenty of decent lightly used equipt available. The treadmills in the places I go are, I think Pacifica and Life Force - or something like that... they seem to be quality machines. Or make a trip to your nearest large mall, probably Chiang Rai and see what is available... 

 

Sorry about your gout. I had a first bout some months ago. I had been mostly on and off a high protein diet which I could lose weight with but surely brought on the gout. And I mention this because so many people share advice and tips but as one friend of mine says, 'we are chemistry sets' and seem to be changing and individual ones at that. When things go well it seems easy. 

 

Between heat and yes, the northern smog, it could be certainly less healthy to be outside... burning can come inside the house too... wish I had better answers for both of us.. good luck.

[louse1953]

5 hours ago, ezzra said:

Don't buy anything expensive as soon, this treadmill will be turned in to a clothes hanger

and an item in the way and soon after it will be advertised for sale in some local website,

trust me, happened to me and happened to many of the people I know, take the advice

of BKKderaming and join a gym, where you get to meet people and have many choices

of activities and equipment to use.....

Have you got a permanent booking on #3 reply,sometimes you miss out but not very often.Just asking.

[iancnx]

12 minutes ago, kenk24 said:

 

Ha ha... oh, you again - just kidding... these threads do get hijacked... have had it happen to me too... 

 

You are going to have to do research on each brand available. Probably plenty of decent lightly used equipt available. The treadmills in the places I go are, I think Pacifica and Life Force - or something like that... they seem to be quality machines. Or make a trip to your nearest large mall, probably Chiang Rai and see what is available... 

 

Sorry about your gout. I had a first bout some months ago. I had been mostly on and off a high protein diet which I could lose weight with but surely brought on the gout. And I mention this because so many people share advice and tips but as one friend of mine says, 'we are chemistry sets' and seem to be changing and individual ones at that. When things go well it seems easy. 

 

Between heat and yes, the northern smog, it could be certainly less healthy to be outside... burning can come inside the house too... wish I had better answers for both of us.. good luck.

 

I have plenty of room and the equipment will be in an AC room.  I have searched the Thai web and a number of brand options appear, all of which are included in Lazada.  Some have been rated, but only minimally, so you never really know if it is the merchant giving himself 5*.  I sense the home gym market is very much in its infancy here.

 

Take a look at this one....

 

http://www.lazada.co.th/360-ongsa-fitness-x3-motorized-treadmill-25-hpmotor-3400958.html

[robblok]

6 minutes ago, iancnx said:

 

I have plenty of room and the equipment will be in an AC room.  I have searched the Thai web and a number of brand options appear, all of which are included in Lazada.  Some have been rated, but only minimally, so you never really know if it is the merchant giving himself 5*.  I sense the home gym market is very much in its infancy here.

 

Take a look at this one....

 

http://www.lazada.co.th/360-ongsa-fitness-x3-motorized-treadmill-25-hpmotor-3400958.html

 

The thing is gym quality treadmills at least 150.000 + so how do you think a 20.000 bt machine would rate.  Same goes for epileptical trainers (i have bought cheap ones and worked on the more expensive ones at gyms) You just feel the difference. In the malls in BKK they almost all have some treadmills to test and the FBT building has quite a large selection of treadmills to tryout. 

 

To bad your not near BKK. 

[louse1953]

1 hour ago, possum1931 said:

I never see any mention of exercise parks on these Thaivisa  keep fit or lose weight topics. I live up in the sticks, no gyms nearby, but

there is an exercise park I use about five days a week.

Do the small towns and villages in Thailand not have exercise parks like my village does?

Most of them do.My local hospital has a pretty good gym.Got it to myself until 5pm,when the nurses arrive and up goes my motivation.Even get my music on 1st and nobody changes it.

[louse1953]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

If you got a concept 2 rower you can easily sell it they are really wanted. Mainly because its hard to wear and tear them. They are commercial gym quality. 

 

Other rowers.. hmmm less so .

I have never tried a rower but have heard they are a complete exercise.Where can i get one?

[robblok]

28 minutes ago, louse1953 said:

I have never tried a rower but have heard they are a complete exercise.Where can i get one?

 

Rowing is indeed a complete exercise because you exercise all parts of your body.  I have given a link about the concept rower in this topic. They do ship over to Thailand. But there are some places you can buy them too. But often its cheaper to buy them straight from the US. I paid around 55.000 all taxes included and its as strong and good as the first day i bought (and well used)

 

Member Tropo also bought one straight from the US and has his shorter but used more. Still good. Concept rowers are the gold standard for rowers, they have no engines just a flywheel. I have bought a program Row Pro that allows me to row against other people in other countries (live) over the internet and that shows you on a screen (an avatar) while your rowing. You can save old rows and compete against an avatar of yourself or add other rowers with times.

 

It can be quite motivational 

 

http://www.concept2.com/

http://www.sport.co.th/cardio/concept-2-indoor-rower-model-d.html  (this is in thailand but see no price)

Edited August 26, 2016 by robblok

[ChrisKC]

4 hours ago, robblok said:

 

Yes as you see it.. never occured to you that fitness and health are the same thing. Walking just does not cut it. My dad a heart patient does around 10.000 - 15.000 km per year on his bike. Walking is just not enough according to his cardiologist. But I am sure you know better. 

 

BUT i am making the assumption here that this is about the heart, and for that you need more than walking alone. 

 

But you are right about one thing.. easing yourself into a training program should always go gradual .

http://howshealth.com/difference-between-health-and-fitness/

Sorry, but they are not the same.

 

I don't know better than a cardiologist about the heart but I probably do know more about exercise regimes. In my previous posts I have not suggested that walking is the only means but that it is a starting point, particularly in the context of the OP

Edited August 26, 2016 by ChrisKC
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[iancnx]

10 minutes ago, ChrisKC said:

http://howshealth.com/difference-between-health-and-fitness/

Sorry, but they are not the same.

 

I don't know better than a cardiologist about the heart but I probably do know more about exercise regimes. In my previous posts I have not suggested that walking is the only means but that it is a starting point, particularly in the context of the OP

 

 

and now you know a lot more about the OP.........

[robblok]

41 minutes ago, ChrisKC said:

http://howshealth.com/difference-between-health-and-fitness/

Sorry, but they are not the same.

 

I don't know better than a cardiologist about the heart but I probably do know more about exercise regimes. In my previous posts I have not suggested that walking is the only means but that it is a starting point, particularly in the context of the OP

I stand corrected ChrisKC, I am a non native speaker and assumed (big mistake that the translation back to my language would be a good one). 

 

 

[Balance]

Exercising has to become a habit, like brushing your teeth.  But creating a habit requires repetition until you feel bad if you do not do it.   START SLOW AND DO NOT HURT YOURSELF

 

If you are 30% or more overweight you really need to loose 50-60% of it before pushing from cardio/losing weight to building muscle.  Losing weight starts with your diet and calorie intake.  The good part of losing weight is it is just adding and subtracting.  Read some reviews of books dealing the the issues that you face.  Buy 2-3 of the best and read them carefully.  Understand why they are telling you to do x,y,z as well what you are doing.

 

  

[connda]

Cardio is one leg of a workout regime.  Resistance training is the other.  Resistance builds muscle with in turn heightens your metabolism and maintains your strength as you age.

What to do at home?  Check out Convict Conditioning (Don't let the title scare you away.  You can accomplish the program in a 6 x 9 cell, or at home)  https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004XIZN5M/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

[JSixpack]

3 hours ago, iancnx said:

 

Jsixpack. Many thanks, and I suspect you are right.  

 

The treadmill I am looking at is designed for a very heavy man (up to 150kg), has a auto incline, 12 programs with a max run speed at 18kmh (3hp motor).  The fastest I ever ran in my life was 15 kmh, and now my target would be closer to 10kmh, less with the incline.

 

My point is the treadmill I am looking at  would be running at a little over 50% capacity so this might add to the longevity and reliability of the equipment.  Add to this the cushioning effect of the shock absorbing features will be kinder on my knees and ankles than pounding the road.

 

Do you or any of your friends have knowledge of the local brands?

 

Certainly you don't need a professional gym quality treadmill. I would think that for home purposes something in the range of 30-50K baht would do well enough. Pattaya had, maybe still has, a shop selling Marathon treadmills and their quality seemed pretty good to me. Lazada has a few: http://www.lazada.co.th/catalog/?q=marathon+treadmill.

 

I suggest intervals offer the best aerobic bang per kilometer. Obviously you can do fast walking on your treadmill, and on an incline, if your knees start to complain about running.

[GinBoy2]

Exercise is as much psychological as it is physical.

I'm a gym guy, I like the gym, I like exercise, I do 4 hours a day, 4 days a week.

 

That being said, I've also over the years told myself i could save that gym membership fee, and exercise at home, Expensive gym equipment ended up gathering dust in my spare room. Same phenomenon seems to happen when I travel, I promise myself I'll go to the hotel gym, never seems to happen.

 

I've always cautioned folks to figure out what kind of exercise 'head' they have before they start shelling out big bucks on home equipment.

 

 

[robblok]

43 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said:

Exercise is as much psychological as it is physical.

I'm a gym guy, I like the gym, I like exercise, I do 4 hours a day, 4 days a week.

 

That being said, I've also over the years told myself i could save that gym membership fee, and exercise at home, Expensive gym equipment ended up gathering dust in my spare room. Same phenomenon seems to happen when I travel, I promise myself I'll go to the hotel gym, never seems to happen.

 

I've always cautioned folks to figure out what kind of exercise 'head' they have before they start shelling out big bucks on home equipment.

 

 

Wow 4 hours.. that is quite a lot. Don't think that I know anybody who does that much.

 

For some people a home gym works for others it does not. For me it works perfect. But i got a great home gym invested a lot in it over the years. Now I recently joined a commercial gym a really good one and even though its only 15 minutes away maybe 20 door to door it still is not as convenient for me as training at home. 

 

I went there for a while.. i liked it.. but fell back to the home gym. There were very few exercises that I could do there that I could not do at home. Maybe if I had found a training buddy. But now I can just train when I want depending on my work. 

 

Aircon is always set how I like it, same goes for the music and I never have to wait. 

 

But I agree with you that in general most people who start working at home fail. Though I know now of 3 people who started and never failed. But they did more as just buy one machine.. they bought more and were committed before just like me. 

[robblok]

2 hours ago, JSixpack said:

 

Certainly you don't need a professional gym quality treadmill. I would think that for home purposes something in the range of 30-50K baht would do well enough. Pattaya had, maybe still has, a shop selling Marathon treadmills and their quality seemed pretty good to me. Lazada has a few: http://www.lazada.co.th/catalog/?q=marathon+treadmill.

 

I suggest intervals offer the best aerobic bang per kilometer. Obviously you can do fast walking on your treadmill, and on an incline, if your knees start to complain about running.

 

Yes intervals and are great so is HIIT it would give more bang for your kilometer. I am now doing normal cardio.. but soon might add some intervals and HIIT when i need to do more. 

[GOLDBUGGY]

13 hours ago, BKKdreaming said:

Join a gym.........that will get you out of the house.....

 

Buy used dusty exercise bike and treadmill on Craigslist etc ? ,

then you can sell it again when it gets dusty again

 

Are you doing this for weight ?????   IF so then look at your diet ,

and then search Google and see how long you need to walk or pedal to burn 1 kilo , you will be amazed !

 

I have an expensive Schwinn exercise bike in my front yard , someone paid $400 , I paid $50 delivered , 

I try and use it for 5 - 10 minutes a few times a day when I walk past it  ,

if it was in the house it would soon get buried in clothes I was too lazy to put away.......

 

Really joining a gym is the best if one is close , second best is walking a mile or 2 a day

 

one thing my German friend did after he was told to exercise was to have one of his workers drive him 1-2-3km from work and then he would walk back to the shop.....so maybe take the bus a few stops and walk back home

 

Good Luck

Yeah! I hear you on owning a Weight Set. 

 

The only time I lifted mine was from room to room and house to house. 

[JSixpack]

3 hours ago, robblok said:

Aircon is always set how I like it, same goes for the music and I never have to wait. 

 

Amen! Same goes for vids.