Brexit roadmap still vague amid endless tussle

[dunroaming]

It has been sad over and over again but brexit will take years.  There was no brexit plan because nobody really believed that the vote would go that way.  Europe will make things as difficult as they can because leaving weakens the EU considerably.  The brexit boys haven't got a clue of how to move it along without damaging trade deals etc etc.

 

We are in a place no-one wants to be in and no-one wants to stick their neck out and make the first move.

[petermik]

36 minutes ago, allane said:

Here is what the rest of the EU should do before the UK triggers the two year period:  Absolutely nothing.

Here is what the rest of the EU should do during the two year period, presuming that Theresa May indeed has the guts to start the two year clock ticking:  Absolutely nothing.

Britain has voted to leave. Now they should do that. Once they are out, and after a period of some years, the EU might consider re-admitting the UK, if the UK asks nicely, and agrees to join on the same terms which all the other members have already accepted.

Negotiating with Britain now is the last thing the EU should do . Doing that would just encourage other countries to hold plebiscites, referendums etc.

Once the two year clock starts ticking, Britain's bargaining power will diminish with every passing day. If the EU has the fortitude to do nothing for only 730 days, Britain will then be leaving with nothing.

David Cameron is one of the biggest idiots in history. He called a referendum which he didn't need to call, lost it, and then quit. If the EU plays its cards right, or to be correct, refuses to play cards at all, the UK will get what it deserves.

Goodbye EU and bloody good riddance

[Skywalker69]

After Brexit Vote, Britain Asks Google: "What Is The EU?"

 

http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/06/24/480949383/britains-google-searches-for-what-is-the-eu-spike-after-brexit-vote

[MJP]

11 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

What economic problems exactly are you referring to ?

 

Yeah, I was just thinking that. Our order books are full.

[Jip99]

2 hours ago, allane said:

Here is what the rest of the EU should do before the UK triggers the two year period:  Absolutely nothing.

Here is what the rest of the EU should do during the two year period, presuming that Theresa May indeed has the guts to start the two year clock ticking:  Absolutely nothing.

Britain has voted to leave. Now they should do that. Once they are out, and after a period of some years, the EU might consider re-admitting the UK, if the UK asks nicely, and agrees to join on the same terms which all the other members have already accepted.

Negotiating with Britain now is the last thing the EU should do . Doing that would just encourage other countries to hold plebiscites, referendums etc.

Once the two year clock starts ticking, Britain's bargaining power will diminish with every passing day. If the EU has the fortitude to do nothing for only 730 days, Britain will then be leaving with nothing.

David Cameron is one of the biggest idiots in history. He called a referendum which he didn't need to call, lost it, and then quit. If the EU plays its cards right, or to be correct, refuses to play cards at all, the UK will get what it deserves.

 

 

 

Fortunately, your scenario is not one that will be played out.

[Skywalker69]

25 minutes ago, MJP said:

 

Yeah, I was just thinking that. Our order books are full.

You haven´t left yet!!

[Linzz]

1 hour ago, Skywalker69 said:

After Brexit Vote, Britain Asks Google: "What Is The EU?"

 

http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/06/24/480949383/britains-google-searches-for-what-is-the-eu-spike-after-brexit-vote

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/17/uk-economy-brexit-failed-economic-policies

[Linzz]

3 hours ago, allane said:

Here is what the rest of the EU should do before the UK triggers the two year period:  Absolutely nothing.

Here is what the rest of the EU should do during the two year period, presuming that Theresa May indeed has the guts to start the two year clock ticking:  Absolutely nothing.

Britain has voted to leave. Now they should do that. Once they are out, and after a period of some years, the EU might consider re-admitting the UK, if the UK asks nicely, and agrees to join on the same terms which all the other members have already accepted.

Negotiating with Britain now is the last thing the EU should do . Doing that would just encourage other countries to hold plebiscites, referendums etc.

Once the two year clock starts ticking, Britain's bargaining power will diminish with every passing day. If the EU has the fortitude to do nothing for only 730 days, Britain will then be leaving with nothing.

David Cameron is one of the biggest idiots in history. He called a referendum which he didn't need to call, lost it, and then quit. If the EU plays its cards right, or to be correct, refuses to play cards at all, the UK will get what it deserves.

 

Presuming the EU hasn't itself collapsed in 2 years

[billd766]

13 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

I thought May had said that there will not be a Commons vote?

 

Not sure how the former shadow work and pensions secretary can block negotiations until his terms are met?

 

He can't unless he can organise a parliamentary vote and get a majority.

 

This is fairly unlikely as at the moment the Labour party is going through another leadership challenge and AFAIK or can even guess nobody knows what the result is likely to be.

[Jip99]

12 hours ago, Skywalker69 said:

You haven´t left yet!!

 

 

"We" haven't left yet.

 

I forecast an even bigger order book for MJP when we do.

[Jip99]

11 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

He can't unless he can organise a parliamentary vote and get a majority.

 

This is fairly unlikely as at the moment the Labour party is going through another leadership challenge and AFAIK or can even guess nobody knows what the result is likely to be.

 

 

Brexit DOES mean Brexit: Theresa May confirms there will be NO vote for MPs on leaving the EU and NO new election

• PM Theresa May confirms there will be no vote for MPs on leaving the EU
• Also ruled out calling an early election to take advantage of Tory poll lead
• And won't hold second referendum on outcome of Article 50 negotiations 
• But Parliament will be given 'a say' on process for UK's departure from EU 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3765649/Brexit-DOES-mean-Brexit-Theresa-confirms-NO-vote-MPs-leaving-EU-NO-new-election.html

[sandyf]

26 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Brexit DOES mean Brexit: Theresa May confirms there will be NO vote for MPs on leaving the EU and NO new election

• PM Theresa May confirms there will be no vote for MPs on leaving the EU
• Also ruled out calling an early election to take advantage of Tory poll lead
• And won't hold second referendum on outcome of Article 50 negotiations 
• But Parliament will be given 'a say' on process for UK's departure from EU 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3765649/Brexit-DOES-mean-Brexit-Theresa-confirms-NO-vote-MPs-leaving-EU-NO-new-election.html

The PM is obviously making that statement on the assumption that the legal challenges will fail. She should know better than anyone how unpredictable court rulings can be.

 

"In the coming months the British courts will have to decide. "

 

May Facing Legal Challenge Over Triggering Brexit

http://news.sky.com/story/may-facing-legal-challenge-over-triggering-brexit-10558905

[billd766]

2 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Brexit DOES mean Brexit: Theresa May confirms there will be NO vote for MPs on leaving the EU and NO new election

• PM Theresa May confirms there will be no vote for MPs on leaving the EU
• Also ruled out calling an early election to take advantage of Tory poll lead
• And won't hold second referendum on outcome of Article 50 negotiations 
• But Parliament will be given 'a say' on process for UK's departure from EU 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3765649/Brexit-DOES-mean-Brexit-Theresa-confirms-NO-vote-MPs-leaving-EU-NO-new-election.html

 

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

The PM is obviously making that statement on the assumption that the legal challenges will fail. She should know better than anyone how unpredictable court rulings can be.

 

"In the coming months the British courts will have to decide. "

 

May Facing Legal Challenge Over Triggering Brexit

http://news.sky.com/story/may-facing-legal-challenge-over-triggering-brexit-10558905

 

One says potato and the other says potato as the old song goes.

[sandyf]

20 hours ago, SteveB2 said:

Brexit will inevitably cause some economic uncertainty.

 

 

 

However, understand that the reasons the UK referendum recorded a majority vote to leave, were NOT based on short term economic or EU 'vote buying' reasons (Using just some of the money that the UK regularly pays into the EU)

 

 

 

Great Britain chose to leave, so as to regain control of its own democratic right to determine what laws should apply in the UK, and to regain control of its own borders.

 

 

 

Secondary issues of the UK being a continuous major contributor to the EU, plus the EU being a non-democratic organization with sham parliament who cannot even propose new laws that are put before them by a 'Polit Bureau' non-democratic selected EU commission... also rear their ugly heads.

 

 

 

Consider: Hundreds of thousands of Brits died in 2 world wars plus other conflicts through the ages, to protect our self-determination and world’s first ever democracy.

 

 

 

It’s kind of insulting to choose to disregard the sacrifices of all our brave countrymen with such glib short-term BS economic statements.

 

Shame on you remainers! 

 

 

You may also wish to consider the number of Polish armed forces that came to the UK to protect the UK coastline in WW2. After the war Churchill sold them out to the Russians and they had no home to go to. This led to the Polish Resettlement Act of 1947, first mass immigration to the UK.

The Poles were there in the UK's hour of need but no one wants to know, short memories are more convenient.

[stander]

Left wing shills in the Rowntree Foundation still weeping over Brexit. Apparently only thick people voted for it.

 

http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/31/brexit-vote-revealed-just-how-divided-the-uk-is-6100830/?ito=twitter

[MJP]

20 hours ago, Skywalker69 said:

You haven´t left yet!!

 

No, it's great here! Love it. 

Edited August 31, 2016 by MJP

[williamgeorgeallen]

lucky there is provision for a 2 year period to sort it out. already 2 months in. better keep working on it. 

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, williamgeorgeallen said:

lucky there is provision for a 2 year period to sort it out. already 2 months in. better keep working on it. 

The 2 year period does not start until Article 50, and that is a long way off.

[MJP]

Pound jumps as UK manufacturing activity rebounds

 

The value of the pound has jumped after a survey indicated the UK's manufacturing sector rebounded sharply in August.
The Markit/CIPS purchasing managers' index (PMI) for the sector rose to 53.3 in August from July's figure of 48.3. A figure above 50 indicates expansion.
The weakening of the pound following the Brexit vote boosted exports, the survey found.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37242804