How are the condos like in view talay 6?

[Howitzer]

I understand they are renting out these condos next to central festival mall as short stay hotels which you can book online. Would like to know how do they compare to conventional hotels like say bayview. What i desire in a hotel location is free wifi (even though i have 4G mobile service), swimming pool and a gym. A room around 30SQM and above would be good too. That's about it since i'm staying short term in pattaya.

[Jiu-Jitsu]

Studios are 48 sq. m. from memory. No gym. Apartments are individually owned, so you'll need to peruse the spec for yourself.

 

Examples website: http://www.viewtalay6.com/condos-for-rent/

 

There are a few different websites offering apartments

 

 

[OMGImInPattaya]

Plenty on Air BnB as well. I've seen some nice units there and good central location. 

[newnative]

The View Talay condos (not to be confused with VT Residences) have good locations but lack the great amenities that newer condos have--such as air-conditioned gyms, sky lounges, sky pools, saunas, steam rooms, libraries, nice lobbies, etc.  

[KittenKong]

1 hour ago, newnative said:

The View Talay condos (not to be confused with VT Residences) have good locations but lack the great amenities that newer condos have--such as air-conditioned gyms, sky lounges, sky pools, saunas, steam rooms, libraries, nice lobbies, etc.  

 

I dont think that the newness has much to do with it. View Talay buildings were deliberately built without any fancy extras. Personally I like this approach as the extras cost a lot to buy and a lot more to maintain and are never used by all co-owners even though all co-owners pay for them. In buildings with many rental tenants (and especially if they are illegal short-term tenants) this basically means that co-owners who own a unit that they only use occasionally are financing the provision of services to those who rent out permanently, and I think that this is unfair. Personally I would like to see all users charged for optional facilities as they are used, including the pool.

[sharecropper]

57 minutes ago, KittenKong said:

 

I dont think that the newness has much to do with it. View Talay buildings were deliberately built without any fancy extras. Personally I like this approach as the extras cost a lot to buy and a lot more to maintain and are never used by all co-owners even though all co-owners pay for them. In buildings with many rental tenants (and especially if they are illegal short-term tenants) this basically means that co-owners who own a unit that they only use occasionally are financing the provision of services to those who rent out permanently, and I think that this is unfair. Personally I would like to see all users charged for optional facilities as they are used, including the pool.

 

I'm seeing this in Bangkok - many people Air B&B-ing their condos and loads of foreigners using the pool and gym all day. People are only slowly wise-ing up to it, although many Thai co-owners are still in the 'mai pen rai' stage. 

 

I recently noticed in Royal Hill Condo in Jomtien, a notice telling people to inform on others renting their condos out on a daily basis.

[KittenKong]

7 minutes ago, sharecropper said:

 

I'm seeing this in Bangkok - many people Air B&B-ing their condos and loads of foreigners using the pool and gym all day. People are only slowly wise-ing up to it, although many Thai co-owners are still in the 'mai pen rai' stage.

 

Pool maintenance is a very large part of most buildings' budgets, and even more so in "basic" buildings like the View Talays. At some point co-owners will realise how much other people's tenants are costing them.

[Henryford]

Renting a condo for under 30 days is illegal.

[johng]

52 minutes ago, Henryford said:

Renting a condo for under 30 days is illegal.

 

I think you mean that the person offering a condo for rent  for under 30 days is doing something illegal...not the person renting it ?

[newnative]

Actually they are both breaking the law.  The owner is offering an illegal product, in this case a short-term condo rental in violation of the Hotel Act, and the renter is breaking the law by buying this illegal  product.  No different than a buyer purchasing illegal drugs from a dealer, for example, or purchasing a prostitute's illegal services.

[OMGImInPattaya]

2 hours ago, sharecropper said:

 

I'm seeing this in Bangkok - many people Air B&B-ing their condos and loads of foreigners using the pool and gym all day. People are only slowly wise-ing up to it, although many Thai co-owners are still in the 'mai pen rai' stage. 

 

I recently noticed in Royal Hill Condo in Jomtien, a notice telling people to inform on others renting their condos out on a daily basis.

Why would this be necessary...wouldn't it be obvious to condo management?

[johng]

11 minutes ago, newnative said:

and the renter is breaking the law by buying this illegal  product.

 

That's rather worrying !  how does a person renting know if the  owner of  the "hotel" or "room" they are renting for the night

has all the necessary paperwork in order so as to avoid prosecution ?

[newnative]

If an owner is renting a condo for less than 1 month in a complex that has been registered as a condominium at the Land Office, he will not have the 'necessary paperwork' because he is doing something illegal. 

[KittenKong]

34 minutes ago, OMGImInPattaya said:

Why would this be necessary...wouldn't it be obvious to condo management?

 

Not really. There's lots of coming and going in many large buildings and it would be impossible to tell who was there for a day or a week or a month or a year.

 

Also in my building the management are a bunch of first-class morons who are only interested in doing as little work as possible and stealing as much money as possible. I suspect that the same applies to many other buildings. I cant see them going to any trouble to work out how long people are staying for.

[KittenKong]

27 minutes ago, johng said:

 

That's rather worrying !  how does a person renting know if the  owner of  the "hotel" or "room" they are renting for the night

has all the necessary paperwork in order so as to avoid prosecution ?

 

If it's a hotel or guest-house then it should all be in order. If it's a condo building then it's probable that the owners are not complying with the law.

[ThaiBob]

Weekly, daily rates are difficult for condo management to control. As a condo committee member we have been successful in asking agents not to advertise daily rates within the building but we know short term rentals do occur. The agents in our building advertise both short term(monthly) and annual lease rates. 

[Seizetheday]

1 hour ago, KittenKong said:

 

If it's a hotel or guest-house then it should all be in order. If it's a condo building then it's probable that the owners are not complying with the law.

What about houses, there are some muppetts in my village who do short term rentals.

[KittenKong]

4 minutes ago, Seizetheday said:

What about houses, there are some muppetts in my village who do short term rentals.

 

I don't own a house here so I have never looked at the legality of this but I suspect that it is equally illegal. Your village may have specific rules about this, as some condos do.

[Howitzer]

5 hours ago, Henryford said:

Renting a condo for under 30 days is illegal.

 

You can find these condos at sites like booking, agoda and tripadvisor. How could they rent our as hotel rooms if they are illegal?

[thaitero]

4 minutes ago, Howitzer said:

 

You can find these condos at sites like booking, agoda and tripadvisor. How could they rent our as hotel rooms if they are illegal?

People can do illegal things also in Thailand.;)

[KittenKong]

5 minutes ago, Howitzer said:

You can find these condos at sites like booking, agoda and tripadvisor. How could they rent our as hotel rooms if they are illegal?

 

LOL. They ignore the law. That happens quite a lot in Thailand.

[theguyfromanotherforum]

8 minutes ago, Howitzer said:

 

You can find these condos at sites like booking, agoda and tripadvisor. How could they rent our as hotel rooms if they are illegal?

 

It's illegal and as I said this before a few times both the owner and the short term renter could end up in a slammer.

[Howitzer]

5 hours ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

 

It's illegal and as I said this before a few times both the owner and the short term renter could end up in a slammer.

 

 

Ok but my point is if it's so open and in your face as in websites like agoda, TA, booking, hotels etc are used by millions the world over this obviously should be known to the authorities and yet they aren't charged. I mean the booking of these places has been around quite a long timne.

[bkk6060]

View Talay's smallest rooms are fairly large compared to other places.  I know several people who are doing the Airbnb rentals for a little as 3 days.  View Talay, Centric and now The Base.  It is big money if you have the time to manage them.  Rent a place for lets say 20,000 b a month and put it on Airbnb for 1500-2000 a night.  One lady I know has 10 properties she rented for one year, then put them on AIrbnb for short term.  Last month she told me she made over 100,000 b. after paying rents on all the properties. She reports nothing to no one.  

 

[Fujionrye]

View Talay 6 has a number of rental offices on the ground level floor. No outside security, you can walk anywhere on the bottom floor. Suggest that you don't book on line, but go there and ask to see some condos. Online there's a risk of bait n switch with the pics. VT6 office has some nice condos. Avoid units close to second road. There's a bar with live rock music across the street on second road that goes until 3 am. Best units are on the south side, away from the mall and its roof top a/c units, close to beach road. nice sunsets on the south side.

[d2g]

A person told me he moved from ViewTalay 6 because of construction on the lot south of VT.

Has that project been finished, stopped or?

[Fujionrye]

Pilings were put in place on the property south of VT6 about a year ago. Must be for future construction. I was there a few months ago and construction hadn't started and all was quiet.

[theguyfromanotherforum]

10 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

View Talay's smallest rooms are fairly large compared to other places.  I know several people who are doing the Airbnb rentals for a little as 3 days.  View Talay, Centric and now The Base.  It is big money if you have the time to manage them.  Rent a place for lets say 20,000 b a month and put it on Airbnb for 1500-2000 a night.  One lady I know has 10 properties she rented for one year, then put them on AIrbnb for short term.  Last month she told me she made over 100,000 b. after paying rents on all the properties. She reports nothing to no one.  

 

 

Great idea to get sued by 10 different landlords.

 

I honestly think that selling crack in Thailand would be a safer bet than this scummy "business".

 

You just don't mess with other people's property.

[KittenKong]

51 minutes ago, Fujionrye said:

Pilings were put in place on the property south of VT6 about a year ago. Must be for future construction. I was there a few months ago and construction hadn't started and all was quiet.

 

That's the new Kantary: two high-rises that will remove the view from most units on the south side of VT6.

 

http://newpattaya.com/pattaya/kantary-pattaya/

 

I'm not aware that it has been put on hold but who knows?

[KittenKong]

53 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

Great idea to get sued by 10 different landlords.

 

When I rented my condo I was surprised that the contract did not exclude sub-letting. As I had no interest in sub-letting it was not something I worried about either way. The contract was incredibly badly written and my only interest was correcting all the errors and omissions that worked against me, which I did before signing.

 

So based on my experience these landlords may not have any cause to sue. In fact many of them will probably never be aware that the sub-letting is happening at all. All they will see will be unusually high wear and tear, if indeed they even see that.