Who told her opening a coffee shop was a good idea?

[MissAndry]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

Except your kids............

 

One parent cares about them, that's good enough for most children these days.

You're a bit of an old dinosaur there Tranny, loads of kids with one or no parents seem to do OK.

Loving mum and dad and the Waltons are a Hollywood myth. It just doesn't happen all that much in real life. Why should I pretend to be something I'm not? And if you believe 10% of the 'evil western wife' or the 'Thai wife snatched my kid and wants money' posts on this forum, then I don't appear to be that unusual.

Edited September 5, 2016 by MissAndry

[stupidfarang]

33 minutes ago, MissAndry said:

 

Gold credit card was husband's idea, the rest was via the divorce magistrate, I was given 100% custody, but I gave them over to him for more cash and moved abroad. This probably makes me a bad person, but I don't really care about the kids, they were just a divorce negotiating ploy to get the house, I'd rather have cash.

wow... at least you are honest about it and sounds like they are better off with their father 

[Deepinthailand]

2 hours ago, bazza40 said:

yet another site problem posting

[Deepinthailand]

47 minutes ago, MissAndry said:

 

Gold credit card was husband's idea, the rest was via the divorce magistrate, I was given 100% custody, but I gave them over to him for more cash and moved abroad. This probably makes me a bad person, but I don't really care about the kids, they were just a divorce negotiating ploy to get the house, I'd rather have cash.

Well played and great honesty.

[MissAndry]

Just now, transam said:

Female dinosaurs took care of their offspring, most animals still do the same until they are sent on their way....But for you, a mum, cash was your way.......BUT, you sound OK with your stuff.....Your kids will think differently for sure....

 Cash is a lot of women's way, probably better than hate anyway.

 

Let's face it,

1. if you love your children you wouldn't divorce your husband until they were grown up.

2. if you love your children you wouldn't fight over custody or limit his access in any way.

 

It's all about cash or hate.

 

[JJGreen]

Female dinosaurs took care of their offspring, most animals still do the same until they are sent on their way....But for you, a mum, cash was your way.......BUT, you sound OK with your stuff.....Your kids will think differently for sure....

 

One parent cares about them, that's good enough for most children these days.

You're a bit of an old dinosaur there Tranny, loads of kids with one or no parents seem to do OK.

Loving mum and dad and the Waltons are a Hollywood myth. It just doesn't happen all that much in real life. Why should I pretend to be something I'm not? And if you believe 10% of the 'evil western wife' or the 'Thai wife snatched my kid and wants money' posts on this forum, then I don't appear to be that unusual.

Again...
Another topic one of you can start up. Dont be shy about starting a topic.

Back to the topic of coffee shops...

[bazza40]

43 minutes ago, MissAndry said:

 

I'm a very selfish person, and have never really had much in the way of feelings for anyone else ever. Some people are like that. On the other hand, I've never really harmed anyone either.

 

I think I've had my dose of brutal honesty for the day.

[bazza40]

2 hours ago, JJGreen said:

 

Can we try and stay close to topic?

This thread is about coffee shops not monthly stipends.

Why not start a thread on the subject and continue the debate there?

Now now JJ, if a thread starts to unravel a little you should take it as a compliment to the broad church you have created with the OP. No need to go all nanny on us, just enjoy the ride.

[BuckBee]

So much comes down to business location & attitude of those involved .

Those businesses who paid for by sugar daddy are bound to fail or at least run negative or minimal profit at those left running them have no interest besides lounging around being lazy & know they can pretty please when till is empty .

Location pretty much controls what business you run, renting is expensive & if you do well you likely have increased rent on contract renewal . carts or stalls on shop front space can do well and can compliment each others trade.

I know several people who run small stalls from phone accessories, umbrellas to subject in question coffee .

The ones that do well don't rent shops, they rent space outside & when location good & effort good business is good .

Coffee stall is run by thai couple, nice friendly people and not lazy, open before 6am and closes prompt 9pm 6 days a week, they have nice tables so can sit & also some space for bikes park up, plenty other coffee stalls on same road but this pair take trade by putting in the work & keeping quality good for average costs they charge.

Also they proactive in getting business, rather than hoping local small factory staff & office staff come to the stall they went to businesses with menus and offer a call in ordering service with no charge delivery .

Every lunch break & late afternoon break this guy is running about on his bike with a rear box full of orders.

They make good money as make good effort.

Other stalls have grumpy staff playing with phone as first priority & making a coffee second .

Profit & success is proportional to effort & having made good choice on location, business concept & affordable overheads .

Retail is real slow here at moment but with street markets being closed a lot of new potential is available if find right location & right renting costs .

[georgemandm]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Just a question to try and understand your attitude....

 

In the UK chaps give their lady/wife HOUSE KEEPING cash, that's what we call it, and it is an allowance...

 

Are you saying chaps here should not give HOUSE KEEPING, an allowance.....?

I not care what man do in thailand ok up to them .

but I have never ever done that in my life give a woman allowance in Australia or thailand.

I pay the bills and if the partner need money ok no problem, but to pay my parent money here or in your country is not what I do .

the thing is here the thai women will give it to the family , but back home I would think a English woman would not do the same as a thai woman and the same would go to Aussie woman .

westen woman are more about their husband and kids not the other part of their family.

i think if you are in a relationship it should not be about having to pay to be in one like thai woman want here .

[georgemandm]

2 hours ago, JJGreen said:

 

Can we try and stay close to topic?

This thread is about coffee shops not monthly stipends.

Why not start a thread on the subject and continue the debate there?

 

 

1 hour ago, transam said:

You reckon the mum is not no.1 in a kids eyes..........?

 

 

Ok no problems 

[transam]

1 minute ago, georgemandm said:

I not care what man do in thailand ok up to them .

but I have never ever done that in my life give a woman allowance in Australia or thailand.

I pay the bills and if the partner need money ok no problem, but to pay my parent money here or in your country is not what I do .

the thing is here the thai women will give it to the family , but back home I would think a English woman would not do the same as a thai woman and the same would go to Aussie woman .

westen woman are more about their husband and kids not the other part of their family.

i think if you are in a relationship it should not be about having to pay to be in one like thai woman want here .

Are you in LOS with a Thai bird..........?

 

If you are did you do your homework as to how the Thai thing works.....?....

[SOTIRIOS]

...for the general skill level...only one other option....

 

...the romantic notion of owning a business.....

 

....associating it with coffee shops around the world....

 

...and a feather in their cap...on their way to conquering you....

 

...testing the waters.......

[Berkshire]

19 hours ago, georgemandm said:

It has been happening here for years one thai opens something good then you see 10 more of the same , it is just thailand 

 

Well it wouldn't make any sense to copy an idea that wasn't good, would it? 

[georgemandm]

30 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

 

Well it wouldn't make any sense to copy an idea that wasn't good, would it? 

Why would you be so stupid as to copy a idea that will not work and lose all that money .

[MissAndry]

9 minutes ago, georgemandm said:

Why would you be so stupid as to copy a idea that will not work and lose all that money .

 

It costs very little to start up a coffee shop. The only real expense is the coffee machine at 70k, which you can probably find second hand. Shopfront 5k a month, fridge and a counter. That's about it. Not much more than renting a condo. 100k and you're good to go. Running expenses no more than your normal condo.

 

A nice young Thai couple near me have just done it, built their own shop and accommodation on family land themselves. All the fittings made out of recycled scraps of Teak wood. If the shop doesn't work, they still have a nice house to live in. Really nicely fitted out, I'd be more than happy to live there.

 

BanPong Coffee

https://www.facebook.com/banpongcoffee/?fref=ts

Edited September 5, 2016 by MissAndry

[impulse]

3 hours ago, JJGreen said:

Those are good points.

I've found some have a romantic notion of opening the coffee shop.
They have heard that someone else made good money and its sounds like fun to them...work their own hours...work with a friend...chat with customers.
Part of that might be an escape from the drudgery of low.paid work and long travel hours...part of it from not thinking it through

 

Not much different than oh-so-many foreigners' romantic retirement notion of opening a tropical bar and playing host to Sam, Diane, Woodie, Norm, Cliff and the anonymous nympho every night.  

 

Rarely works out that way, though.

 

Edit:  Except the anonymous nympho.  But she ends up with all the cash...

Edited September 5, 2016 by impulse

[georgemandm]

6 minutes ago, MissAndry said:

 

It costs very little to start up a coffee shop. The only real expense is the coffee machine at 70k, which you can probably find second hand. Shopfront 5k a month, fridge and a counter. That's about it. Not much more than renting a condo. 100k and you're good to go. Running expenses no more than your normal condo.

 

A nice young Thai couple near me have just done it, built their own shop and accommodation on family land themselves. All the fittings made out of recycled scraps of Teak wood. If the shop doesn't work, they still have a nice house to live in. Really nicely fitted out, I'd be more than happy to live there.

 

BanPong Coffee

https://www.facebook.com/banpongcoffee/?fref=ts

Yes but it still cost money for something that will not work.

[impulse]

11 minutes ago, georgemandm said:

Yes but it still cost money for something that will not work.

 

Why won't it work?  The ladies in our office take up orders for coffees once or twice a day.  They call the order in and send one or 2 ladies down to pick up 8-10 coffees at 40 baht or so.  Same thing at our warehouse in South Thailand.  There's a couple of shops in the boondocks that our people and others like them keep in business.

 

So the place looks desolate 90% of the time, but all they need to do is get 3-4 offices like ours and they have a going business.

 

I'd never judge a business unless I've seen at least a full business day, and better to see a week.  But who's got the time to sit outside to see how much they put out the door in spurts?  

 

A coffee shop with a small kitchen is also a good base to prep food for other family members who operate carts in high traffic areas.  I suspect that's why some coffee shops don't open until after the morning rush.  They load up a cart, make hay where the sun's shining and caffeine addicted workers are passing by, then retire to their coffee shop to sell some more coffee and get the cart ready for tomorrow's rush.  Throw in some cookies and cakes, and it's a genuine business.

Edited September 5, 2016 by impulse

[JJGreen]

 

Not much different than oh-so-many foreigners' romantic retirement notion of opening a tropical bar and playing host to Sam, Diane, Woodie, Norm, Cliff and the anonymous nympho every night.  

 

Rarely works out that way, though.

 

Edit:  Except the anonymous nympho.  But she ends up with all the cash...

They are quite similar, comparing the two scenarios.
I'd guess they have a similar failure rate

[impulse]

3 minutes ago, JJGreen said:

They are quite similar, comparing the two scenarios.
I'd guess they have a similar failure rate

 

 I'm sure lots of both of them them fail.  Probably the vast majority.  But neither is a fundamentally unworkable idea.  

 

It comes down to the players and the execution of the idea. 

[Deepinthailand]

1 hour ago, georgemandm said:

Yes but it still cost money for something that will not work.

Who says it won't work??? You???? Thank goodness there are people out there who unlike you a keyboard doomsday munger, have the get up and go it's easier to doom and gloom than do something posative

[bazza40]

There's a coffee shop right at the clock tower in Chiang Rai that makes a good coffee, has tasty cakes and excellent WiFi.

Only problem is, their china cups all have spider web cracking which is unsightly and may be unhygienic as well.

Just wondering how I can tactfully point out to the ladies there it is time to change the crockery. I'm fairly sure they are not the owner, who would just collect the takings in the evening.

[MissAndry]

4 minutes ago, bazza40 said:

There's a coffee shop right at the clock tower in Chiang Rai that makes a good coffee, has tasty cakes and excellent WiFi.

Only problem is, their china cups all have spider web cracking which is unsightly and may be unhygienic as well.

Just wondering how I can tactfully point out to the ladies there it is time to change the crockery. I'm fairly sure they are not the owner, who would just collect the takings in the evening.

 

Why not have your own mug behind the bar.

[stupidfarang]

1 hour ago, MissAndry said:

 

It costs very little to start up a coffee shop. The only real expense is the coffee machine at 70k, which you can probably find second hand. Shopfront 5k a month, fridge and a counter. That's about it. Not much more than renting a condo. 100k and you're good to go. Running expenses no more than your normal condo.

 

A nice young Thai couple near me have just done it, built their own shop and accommodation on family land themselves. All the fittings made out of recycled scraps of Teak wood. If the shop doesn't work, they still have a nice house to live in. Really nicely fitted out, I'd be more than happy to live there.

 

BanPong Coffee

https://www.facebook.com/banpongcoffee/?fref=ts

Nice looking coffee shop, MissAndry do you know of any near Phayao???

[MyFrenU]

20 hours ago, Deepinthailand said:

We have a coffee shop and a hairdressers shop and sell food and ice. It runs well and provides us with a good income. It is run soley by my wife. In our village there are numerous shops selling what we sell, no other coffee shops but I expect someone will open one. The trick is diversity. Being a hairdressers the shop gets a good cliental.  Whilst there there they can buy whatever they might need from the shop bit. And if waiting for hair to be done what's better than a nice strong coffee. Especially as we keep the ambient temp of the shop just cool enough for a hot coffee to be appreciated. But the real trick is giving people what they want which is not the expensive cappuccino or latte. Thais like strong short cup coffee. My wife is now In negotiations  with bankok bank to have an ATM placed inside the shop. As this is the bank  most used in the village with the added bonus of free withdraws for agricultural bank. The nearest ATM is 10km away. Again this is Purley to draw in custom plus it's a nice earner from bank. So it's not about keeping anyone quite or why bother it's called being enterprising. Not willing to just plod along. Oh and before you all jump in with ah but who built the shop who's money. Sorry to disappoint it's all the mrs doing and paying. (But we class money as and land and property as ours as most solid couples the world over do)

Why does she need a 2nd ATM in the shop when she has you?

(It's a joke before anyone gets on their high horse about it!)

[bazza40]

10 minutes ago, MissAndry said:

 

Why not have your own mug behind the bar.

I had thought of that; however, it may cause loss of face.

As you can tell, I'm very empathetic.

[bazza40]

13 minutes ago, stupidfarang said:

Nice looking coffee shop, MissAndry do you know of any near Phayao???

Phayao is 150 km from Chiang Mai. Unless MissAndry is more peripatetic than I think, I don't consider she can help you.

Haven't particularly noted coffee shops in the Phayao area. If it's any help, there is an aircon restaurant on the lakefront that does a very good garlic fish.

[Berkshire]

2 hours ago, georgemandm said:

Why would you be so stupid as to copy a idea that will not work and lose all that money .

 

Did you even read what I was responding to?  The poster said Thais would copy good ideas...which obviously makes more sense than copying a bad idea.  Read first, otherwise you come across as an idiot.  Unless you just can't help yourself. 

[MyFrenU]

9 hours ago, MissAndry said:

 

One of the Thai ladies I have met, while trailing around after my NGO friend, was a hairdresser who has a shop in Loi Kroh CM. She specializes in doing bar girls hair, and often the bill is 1,000-2,000bht (extensions, colour, styling).

 

She can take 5-10k in a day and completely legit.

She is like the Lucas to the bargirls British Leyland,supplying parts to the manufacturer so enterprising these Thais!