Dependant non-Thai wife _ Language marriage certificate

[khrai]

My non-Thai wife and I both have a Non-Immigrant OA visa. We will be asking for an "extension of stay" in a few months.

I will go for a 'retirement visa' based on rental income (>65.000 THB). My wife will ask for a 'dependant visa'. In order to do this we will have to proof we are married.

My home city made us a certificate  in 10 languages (based on the convention of Vienna), but the Thai language is not one of them.

Do we need to have this certificate translated in Thai? And how do we make this translation 'legal'?

 

 

[Lite Beer]

You need to register your Marriage in Thailand.

Get your Marriage Certificate verified at your Embassy and then stamped at MFA in Bangkok.

You can then register at any amphur and get the Kor Ror 22 certificate you need.

 

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/938137-american-needs-help-with-marriage-visa/#comment-11057798

 

[ubonjoe]

If English is one of the languages it will be accepted.

But you likely will have to have it certified by your embassy or an authority in your home country.

[ubonjoe]

3 minutes ago, Lite Beer said:

You need to register your Marriage in Thailand.

Get your Marriage Certificate verified at your Embassy and then stamped at MFA in Bangkok.

You can then register at any amphur and get the Kor Ror 22 certificate you need.

 

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/938137-american-needs-help-with-marriage-visa/#comment-11057798

 

I think you need to read the OP again. His wife is not Thai.

[khrai]

I have some more info on this question.

 

After getting the "European" certificate  (10 languages based on the convention of Vienna), our Department of Foreign Affairs told me that, in order for Thai authorities to recognise the certificate,  we have to go through a "legalisation procedure".

First, the certificate has to be legalized by our  Department of Foreign Affairs.

After that, it has to be legalized by the Thai embassy or consulate.

Normally this should do it, but I was warned that sometimes yet another legalisation is necessary, this time in Thailand (depending on the document and/or the officer in charge).

 

Of course, it might be possible that a English language certificate (like the "European" that I got)  does the trick without all the legalisation BS...

 

Just to let you know.

[brewsterbudgen]

On 9/9/2016 at 7:09 PM, khrai said:

I have some more info on this question.

 

After getting the "European" certificate  (10 languages based on the convention of Vienna), our Department of Foreign Affairs told me that, in order for Thai authorities to recognise the certificate,  we have to go through a "legalisation procedure".

First, the certificate has to be legalized by our  Department of Foreign Affairs.

After that, it has to be legalized by the Thai embassy or consulate.

Normally this should do it, but I was warned that sometimes yet another legalisation is necessary, this time in Thailand (depending on the document and/or the officer in charge).

 

Of course, it might be possible that a English language certificate (like the "European" that I got)  does the trick without all the legalisation BS...

 

Just to let you know.

 

This thread might be helpful.  I'm in a similar position, married in the UK to a non-Thai, and have just gone through the legalisation procedure.

 

 

[khrai]

Some more details on the legalization procedure.

 

So after after getting the document legalized by the ministry of foreign affairs in my home country, and by the Thai embassy/consulate in my home country, we had the final legalization done in Thailand. This is done by the Thai ministry of foreign affairs, consular division, at Chaeng Wattana Road in Bangkok.

http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/16265-Naturalization-Legalization.html

You'll need a copy of your passport (main and visa pages) and the passport itself. The cost is 200 baht for the document and another 40 baht (or was it 60?) to get it send to you by EMS. We went on friday morning and got it in the mail on saterday evening!

 

Next week we'll go for the extension of stay based on an income statement for me and a 'dependant' status for my non-Thai wife (so no further requirements needed).

Any experiences on this?

[dentonian]

1 hour ago, khrai said:

So after after getting the document legalized by the ministry of foreign affairs in my home country, and by the Thai embassy/consulate in my home country, we had the final legalization done in Thailand. This is done by the Thai ministry of foreign affairs, consular division, at Chaeng Wattana Road in Bangkok.

http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/16265-Naturalization-Legalization.html

You'll need a copy of your passport (main and visa pages) and the passport itself. The cost is 200 baht for the document and another 40 baht (or was it 60?) to get it send to you by EMS. We went on friday morning and got it in the mail on saterday evening!

 

Any experiences on this?

 

That is indeed the correct procedure.

Certification by your Ministry of Foreign Affairs, then legalised by the Thai Embassy who attach their Vignette.

Your marriage certificate should then be accepted as a legal document for use in Thailand.

 

However Immigration either don't recognise their own Embassies vignette, or the English marriage certificate, so it needs to be translated by an authorised and registered translator accepted by the MFA in Thailand who should then legalise the translation.

Copies of both the certified translation and your certified English marriage certificate should then be accepted by Immigration.

[khrai]

This is new information for me.

Actually, I was asked by the person behind the counter (consular service, MFA Bangkok) if I needed a translation of the document that I handed over for legalization. When I explained the document would be used for immigration purposes, she didn't persue the translation matter any further.

Maybe a Thai translation is not necessary if the document is for Bangkok Immigration (as opposed to a local village administration)?

[brewsterbudgen]

My wife is non-Thai and all I needed was our legalised UK marriage certificate, legalised by the UK (in Milton Keynes) and the Thai Embassy in London.  There was no requirement for it to be translated or legalised in Thailand.  My wife was added to my Extension of Stay.

[dentonian]

 

 

2 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

My wife is non-Thai and all I needed was our legalised UK marriage certificate, legalised by the UK (in Milton Keynes) and the Thai Embassy in London.  There was no requirement for it to be translated or legalised in Thailand.  My wife was added to my Extension of Stay.

 

Agreed that should be the only legal procedure you are required to follow.

 

However in Thailand many officials don't even know their own procedures, rules or laws, so to avoid any problems it is always advisable to get a Thai translation certified by the MFA in Thailand.

[khrai]

We got our "retirement visa" yesterday.

The immigration officer in Bangkok only glanced at the marriage certificate, so no Thai translation was needed.

[thedemon]

On 1/22/2017 at 11:50 AM, dentonian said:

 

 

 

Agreed that should be the only legal procedure you are required to follow.

 

However in Thailand many officials don't even know their own procedures, rules or laws, so to avoid any problems it is always advisable to get a Thai translation certified by the MFA in Thailand.

 

Some advice can actually be worse than useless.

[dentonian]

10 hours ago, thedemon said:

 

Some advice can actually be worse than useless.

And if the OP is ever asked for proof of still being married in the future, how do you suggest he obtains a Kor Ror 22.

Your entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine.

I'd register the marriage in Thailand.

[thuisinthailand]

What I would like to know: do you need a new certified and legalised marriage certificate with every yearly extension? We are both Dutch and are on retirement extension since 2015. We used the procedure as described above, so we had our marriage certificate legalized by the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and then had it "stamped" by the Thai Embassy in The Netherlands. It was accepted by Immigration just like that. Last year, with the second extension, I arranged for an updated version of the marriage certificate, so went throught the whole legalization process again, which was a bit of a hassle, as we were in Thailand and everything had to be arranged by our accountant. Now, for this year's extension, I was planning to just use the legalized marriage certificate of last year. But, can I just do that? Any concerns here?

[brewsterbudgen]

What I would like to know: do you need a new certified and legalised marriage certificate with every yearly extension? We are both Dutch and are on retirement extension since 2015. We used the procedure as described above, so we had our marriage certificate legalized by the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and then had it "stamped" by the Thai Embassy in The Netherlands. It was accepted by Immigration just like that. Last year, with the second extension, I arranged for an updated version of the marriage certificate, so went throught the whole legalization process again, which was a bit of a hassle, as we were in Thailand and everything had to be arranged by our accountant. Now, for this year's extension, I was planning to just use the legalized marriage certificate of last year. But, can I just do that? Any concerns here?

I'll let someone more qualified than me answer, but I hope the answer is yes you can use the same legalised certificate! The rigmarole of getting mine done last year in the UK is not something I want to have to repeat every year.

[ubonjoe]

The legalization of a marriage certificate is a one time requirement. A legalization does not expire it is for ever.

[thuisinthailand]

Thanks for your clarification!


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