Australian DJ jailed for life in Thailand

[F4UCorsair]

3 minutes ago, 2008bangkok said:

I know of a lad who got 25 years for dealing in Pattaya, he didn't make it past 5.

Im not against anybody dealing drugs after all if a person wants to buy drugs why not let them its there lives and who has the right to say what is legal or not legal but to do it in a place where if you get caught it will be the end of your life you better make sure you definitely dont get caught!

 

I'm unable to figure out what you mean.

 

The justice system in the country in which the crime is committed has the right to say what is legal or not legal.

 

 

[joeyg]

Just now, epicstuff said:

Do you know anything about drugs??   This as soft as it gets!!! Those that grew up in the late 80's 90's in Uk were popping these pills like sweets everytime we went out.  One of the most harmless drugs out there. the only reason one or two deaths were ever reported was. due to either  people dancing to much and over heating & drinking too much water.  Or contaminated  fake pills with happens when something is made illegal.  Wouldnt  mind if my kids did this from time to time  better than poisoning themselves with something else or becoming an alcoholic. 

Quite a bit actually. "E" is not as soft as it gets. I'm not going to waste time explaining the dangers  with someone that says he wouldn't mind if his kids did a Schedule One Narcotic from time to time. Sounds awfully like you are  condoning the use of legal drugs in an open forum. 

[theguyfromanotherforum]

Australia might just free him. I am not sure why would Thai judgement hold in Australia, especially since he already served 6 years for an offence he would get 1-2 years in Australia....if that.

 

 

Just guessing. Correct me if wrong.

[F4UCorsair]

2 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

Australia might just free him. I am not sure why would Thai judgement hold in Australia, especially since he already served 6 years for an offence he would get 1-2 years in Australia....if that.

 

 

Just guessing. Correct me if wrong.

 

Under the prisoner exchange programme, his own country is obliged to honour the sentence handed down in another country.

 

Check this link

 

https://www.ag.gov.au/Internationalrelations/Internationalcrimecooperationarrangements/TransferOfPrisoners/Pages/default.aspx  

 

I'm using English spelling, incidentally.

[NotMyUsualid]

43 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

 

 

I agree with most of what you say, MDMA etc not addictive or "hard". But its still a false manufactured state of happiness/ euphoria.  If you start to confuse the real and not real happiness. An example, you could fall in love/start a relationship with someone based on false happiness/euphoria you feel . I have been there, you could find Adolf Hitler wonderful when the second one kicks in. 

I saw a lot of friends make stupid decisions in that false happy place.

And the Tuesday comedown (after an MDMA fueled weekend) is pretty damm real. 

MONDAY, come-down.

 

Phuck, Tuesday, really? You must have been HARD-CORE.

 

[joeyg]

5 minutes ago, 2008bangkok said:

I know of a lad who got 25 years for dealing in Pattaya, he didn't make it past 5.

Im not against anybody dealing drugs after all if a person wants to buy drugs why not let them its there lives and who has the right to say what is legal or not legal but to do it in a place where if you get caught it will be the end of your life you better make sure you definitely dont get caught!

"Im not against anybody dealing drugs " Would you be opposed to them dealing them to your children or grand children.  It' always becomes different when you make it personal.  Doesn't it.

 

[theguyfromanotherforum]

5 minutes ago, NotMyUsualid said:

You mean like Warren Fellows, another Aus?

 

He did EIGHTEEN YEARS in Bangkwang.

 

Truly hell on Earth.

 

So I call B.S. to your six years.

 

English is not my first language, but at least I bother to read everything before commenting. How about you? The figure is from the article itself.

[epicstuff]

1 minute ago, joeyg said:

Quite a bit actually. "E" is not as soft as it gets. I'm not going to waste time explaining the dangers  with someone that says he wouldn't mind if his kids did a Schedule One Narcotic from time to time. Sounds awfully like you are  condoning the use of legal drugs in an open forum. 

 I'll trust my experience overt your so called knowledge any day. what schedule a drug is, is not a reflection of its real safety/ dangers associated. In USA  Cannabis is schedule 1,  so is Kratom.  But  hard to convince anyone who only listens to the scare mongering of governments and corporation lobbyist.  sometimes people need to do their own research before believing everything your told dummies!.

 

[Don Mega]

I thought Lance got 100 years ?

 

[OMGImInPattaya]

2 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

Australia might just free him. I am not sure why would Thai judgement hold in Australia, especially since he already served 6 years for an offence he would get 1-2 years in Australia....if that.

 

 

Just guessing. Correct me if wrong.

Because if there is a prisoner-exchange agreement between Thailand and Australia (I don't know if there is or not) and it calls for the full sentence to be served then Australia would be bound by the Thai sentence. If they didn't, do you think any more Ozzies would be allowed to serve their sentences in the relative comfort of an Oz penitentiary.

[tonray]

37 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

I don't approve of anyone peddling drugs in Thailand, or any other country for that matter, but this sentence is far too severe for the crime committed. Would a Thai citizen be handed the same sentence? A few years (3 max) would have been sufficient.

 

Harsh sentences are not designed a punishment for a crime. They are designed as deterrents to future potential criminals. In essence they are IQ tests. If you know the sentences and still break the law...you fail and are punished for your stupidity and bravado.

[joeyg]

2 minutes ago, epicstuff said:

 I'll trust my experience overt your so called knowledge any day. what schedule a drug is, is not a reflection of its real safety/ dangers associated. In USA  Cannabis is schedule 1,  so is Kratom.  But  hard to convince anyone who only listens to the scare mongering of governments and corporation lobbyist.  sometimes people need to do their own research before believing everything your told dummies!.

 

I take it your a user.  http://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/ecstasy/short-long-term-effects.html

 

[epicstuff]

5 minutes ago, NotMyUsualid said:

MONDAY, come-down.

 

Phuck, Tuesday, really? You must have been HARD-CORE.

 

 yes!!! I remember waking my dad up in the middle of the night to tell him I loved him  ... !!!

[Rancid]

Often countries have laws we may disagree with, including our own of course. The reality is though that states enforce their laws, easy money may be nice, but why would anyone risk Thai jail time?

[2008bangkok]

2 minutes ago, joeyg said:

"Im not against anybody dealing drugs " Would you be opposed to them dealing them to your children or grand children.  It' always becomes different when you make it personal.  Doesn't it.

 

Unfortunately its part and parcel of teenagers these days, i would blame myself more for not educating them enough on right and wrong than I would do the dealer. Especially if it was recreational. 

Trying to get somebody hooked on Heroin or similar to make money off them is a different story completely .

[epicstuff]

10 minutes ago, joeyg said:

Quite a bit actually. "E" is not as soft as it gets. I'm not going to waste time explaining the dangers  with someone that says he wouldn't mind if his kids did a Schedule One Narcotic from time to time. Sounds awfully like you are  condoning the use of legal drugs in an open forum. 

Sometimes getting the truth out there is more important that going along with what you've been told is acceptable....

[2008bangkok]

11 minutes ago, F4UCorsair said:

 

I'm unable to figure out what you mean.

 

The justice system in the country in which the crime is committed has the right to say what is legal or not legal.

 

 

The planet is a free place and just not owned by anybody and just because somebody was there before you doesnt give them the right to dictate whats they think is right and wrong.

[joeyg]

As a clinician in Family Practice for many years, part of that time working in an HIV/AIDS, treatment and research center, I saw the consequences of using "E".  In patients and colleagues, it wasn't pretty.

[The Old Bull]

The dope business is fueled by demand not supply.  The American way is to go after the supplier ,if there was any merit in this the drug problem would be gone a long time ago. 

[F4UCorsair]

7 minutes ago, epicstuff said:

 I'll trust my experience overt your so called knowledge any day. what schedule a drug is, is not a reflection of its real safety/ dangers associated. In USA  Cannabis is schedule 1,  so is Kratom.  But  hard to convince anyone who only listens to the scare mongering of governments and corporation lobbyist.  sometimes people need to do their own research before believing everything your told dummies!.

 

 

Personal opinions on what harm a drug can do are irrelevant.  The justice system determines that, and charges are laid, sentences applied accordingly.

 

Do you think it cuts the mustard if you're charged with heroin trafficking, and you stand up before the judge and tell him that you don't believe it's addictive, or harmful???  Seriously.

 

Some acts are offences because of the imposition on the health system.  If somebody is addicted to heroin, he becomes an unnecessary drain on the public health system, and no government that has a public health system wants that.

 

An example is this.  In Australia, in most states, perhaps all, it is an offence to hang an arm out of the window of a car.  It seems pretty harmless, but there have been a lot of arms torn off in sideswipes (a mate from school lost one), and then the cost to the taxpayer can run to tens of thousands of $$.

 

Australia is too civilized to just cast loose drug addicts, for what bizarre reason I'm not sure, because very few are rehabilitated and go on to contribute anything of worth to society.

[joeyg]

Just now, The Old Bull said:

The dope business is fueled by demand not supply.  The American way is to go after the supplier ,if there was any merit in this the drug problem would be gone a long time ago. 

Huh?

[F4UCorsair]

Just now, 2008bangkok said:

The planet is a free place and just not owned by anybody and just because somebody was there before you doesnt give them the right to dictate whats they think is right and wrong.

 

 

In the words of John McEnroe,  "You can't be serious!!!"

 

So you're for anarchy??  No laws?

 

That has to be among the most foolish comments I have ever seen.  You may still be able to edit it, and say it was a mistake??

[2008bangkok]

2 minutes ago, F4UCorsair said:

 

 

In the words of John McEnroe,  "You can't be serious!!!"

 

So you're for anarchy??  No laws?

 

That has to be among the most foolish comments I have ever seen.  You may still be able to edit it, and say it was a mistake??

I belive everybody should be able to do what they want providing its not hurting others. The governments believe you should do hat they want, even if their laws hurt others.

[Chicog]

11 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

Australia might just free him. I am not sure why would Thai judgement hold in Australia, especially since he already served 6 years for an offence he would get 1-2 years in Australia....if that.

 

 

Just guessing. Correct me if wrong.

 

Because that is the primary condition of the prisoner exchange program.

 

If he gets as far as as being in an Aussie prison, his only chance of early release is still a royal pardon.

But it does happen:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Gregory

 

 

[rwdrwdrwd]

21 minutes ago, joeyg said:

I take it your a user.  http://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/ecstasy/short-long-term-effects.html

 

 

"Foundation for a Drug-Free World" certainly seems to be a balanced and researched source....

 

Quote

• It is as if the brain switchboard was torn apart, then rewired backwards

That sounds very technical. Either that or a load of utter scaremongering guff.
 

It doesn't even reference a single study - as a 'clinician' you should be well aware of the need for balanced medical advice supported by evidence and research.

- http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-03/fyi-ecstasy-safer-if-its-purer

- http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/297064.php
- https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/mdma-ecstasy-abuse/what-are-effects-mdma

- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3053129/

[joeyg]

Nice...   

 

[Peterw42]

8 minutes ago, epicstuff said:

 yes!!! I remember waking my dad up in the middle of the night to tell him I loved him  ... !!!

 

I recall having deep feelings for a house brick.

[epicstuff]

7 minutes ago, joeyg said:

I take it your a user.  http://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/ecstasy/short-long-term-effects.html

 

I grew up in the era of raves in the UK,  I was an avid user   probably heavier than pretty much anyone I knew as I was involved in the business of parties.    I abused it more than I am proud but  after 10 years of constant partying and pill popping  when I got bored &  grew up  I left it behind like it never happened. 

 

[scorecard]

3 minutes ago, 2008bangkok said:

I belive everybody should be able to do what they want providing its not hurting others. The governments believe you should do hat they want, even if their laws hurt others.

 

 

You really think it's all that simple?

 

 

[robblok]

5 minutes ago, joeyg said:

As a clinician in Family Practice for many years, part of that time working in an HIV/AIDS, treatment and research center, I saw the consequences of using "E".  In patients and colleagues, it wasn't pretty.

 

I think i seen a lot more then you have growing up in the Netherlands and popping those pills myself. There is always a risk but alcohol has risk far worse. Fact is as a Dr you only see the worse cases. Kinda like a cops bias because they only see the bad things never the normal users. Nothing is risk free in this world. 

 

What about the risks of obesity and people dying because of diabetes as a result.. would you want to put food also on the drug list or accept that people can misuse any substance and that there are plenty who dont misuse a substance but use it responsible.