webfact Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Mongkut Wattana’s paramedics summoned for more questioning BANGKOK: -- Mongkut Wattana hospital’s paramedics who performed chest compressions and CPR on former Phuket land official Thawatchai Anukul were summoned by police to Thung Song Hong police station for further questioning. Pol Col Mana Pohchuey, superintendent of Thung Song Hong police declined to elaborate why the paramedics have to be questioned again. But he, however, said that he was informed that the Institute of Forensic Science is now ready to perform another autopsy on the victim and is awaiting a go-head signal from a special panel of the Justice Ministry. The first autopsy showed that Mr Thawatchai suffered ruptured lungs and abdominal bleeding, sparking off suspension that he might be killed. But the Department of Special Investigation earlier suggested that a mishandled CPR by the paramedics from Mongkut Wattana hospital might have caused the lungs to rupture causing internal bleeding. Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/mongkut-wattanas-paramedics-summoned-questioning/ -- © Copyright Thai PBS 2016-09-08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckBee Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) possible if they used one of those nice teak wood clubs for cpr I suppose ! looks like a fixed second autopsy will discredit first & medics getting hassled while dsi sit back & wait for it fade out of press interest ! broken cameras, unlikely hanging method & injuries not relating to statements of events :-/ mmm where I seen that before ... only lieland ... Edited September 8, 2016 by BuckBee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockingrobin Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Noticed the article states ruptured lungs, I thought it was a ruptured liver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clockman Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 It is another, L.O.U.D. Or land of unexplained deaths! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 They are looking at the lower chain of command, for someone to blame the death on.as usual. regards worgeordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesbrock Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Can Burmese be paramedics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Looking for the poorest and least well connected to pin it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maoro2013 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 16 hours ago, rockingrobin said: Noticed the article states ruptured lungs, I thought it was a ruptured liver Yes I thought so too. This is a fairly common cause of death of indigenous Papua New Guineans as, often, the liver has already been weakened by multiple cases of malaria. It can be caused by a blow to the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Strange, normally they just say, mai ru, and leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwct Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Anticipating a"Big Cover-up"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acharn Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Weird. The earlier stories all referred to a ruptured liver. I don't see how it would be possible to rupture the lungs. They're protected by the whole rib cage. The only way you could compress the lungs enough to rupture them would be to break a lot of the ribs, and then the sharp ends would be more likely to puncture the lungs than "rupture" them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseldave1951 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) we all know how this is going to end scapegoats found AGAIN !!!!!!! CHANGING STORIES !!! yawn hung with cord, no hung with socks, no hung with ripped ripped shirt, no ruptured liver, no ruptured lungs, no SCAPEGOATED thats how he died, blame the professionals (the ones i assume went through some sort of medical training for and done CPR countless times before) to become para medics, i assume you can't just buy this qualification even in Thailand. it's like school children in a playground trying to blame someone for breaking a window pathetic ??? Edited September 9, 2016 by dieseldave1951 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saminoz Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Just now, rockingrobin said: Noticed the article states ruptured lungs, I thought it was a ruptured liver I'm not confident that most of these clowns know the difference. Much harder to explain how even fairly aggressive CPR can rupture a liver! Quick change to lung and hey presto, problem solved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xineohp Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 One sincerely hopes the paramedics in question are able to get free legal advice from their Association, if they have one. They would be well advised to have a lawyer present when being further interviewed by the RTP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12DrinkMore Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Broken ribs when delivering CPR is not unusual. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-cpr-often-leads-to-broken-ribs-idUSBRE8721IF20120803 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 22 hours ago, rockingrobin said: Noticed the article states ruptured lungs, I thought it was a ruptured liver Ooops they mistook his liver for his heart when doing CPR. Were these paramedics Burmese perchance? I sense a white wash coming up here. The DSI is looking for scapegoat here boys RUN!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredNL Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) Abbreviations for Thailand: L.O.S. : Land of Scams, smiles, ... L.O.C. : Land of Corruption, criminals, crimes, copies, ... L.O.F. : Land of Fakes, fugitives, ... L.O.U.D. : Land of unexplained Deaths. Edited September 9, 2016 by FredNL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlyai Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Weird. The earlier stories all referred to a ruptured liver. I don't see how it would be possible to rupture the lungs. They're protected by the whole rib cage. The only way you could compress the lungs enough to rupture them would be to break a lot of the ribs, and then the sharp ends would be more likely to puncture the lungs than "rupture" them.Maybe ruptured liver was incorrect, misreported?I've done a couple of CPR's and broken ribs on one I know of. Bit embarassing when you sink right in through the person, specially when his wife is watching.The longer you go, the harder you push, even though the eyes would indicate you should give up.I could certainly believe ruptured lungs from CPR. Would expect a broken rib or ribs as part of the package.Sent from my SM-J700F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Triangle Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 And so the carousel continues to spin, I see whats gonna happen, after further investigation and questioning of the Paramedics it will be decided that unfortunately the aforementioned Paramedics were over enthusiastic in their administration of CPR to the patient, this resulted in the poor mans death. No blame attached to the Paramedics, it was an ACCIDENT, unfortunate but true, so the DSI remain squeaky clean, and everyone can go home satisfied of a good job done by all. Sad really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Triangle Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 2 hours ago, carlyai said: Maybe ruptured liver was incorrect, misreported? I've done a couple of CPR's and broken ribs on one I know of. Bit embarassing when you sink right in through the person, specially when his wife is watching. The longer you go, the harder you push, even though the eyes would indicate you should give up. I could certainly believe ruptured lungs from CPR. Would expect a broken rib or ribs as part of the package. Sent from my SM-J700F using Tapatalk Yep, seen & heard it with my own eyes/ears, a mate of mine, ex Royal Marine Commando - now a fully qualified St John's Ambulance trainer delivered CPR to the landlord of my local pub back in the UK, the first thing to go were his ribs, when the ambulance arrived they took over and with a shot of Adrenalin and the old electric shock thingy they got him back. He lasted about 18 months after that then had a massive heart attack which he never made it back from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatertot Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Another exciting round of pin the tale on the donkey. Action packed, suspence filled, twists and turns, fun for the whole fam damnly. Who will be the lucky winner?!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 9 hours ago, Acharn said: Weird. The earlier stories all referred to a ruptured liver. I don't see how it would be possible to rupture the lungs. They're protected by the whole rib cage. The only way you could compress the lungs enough to rupture them would be to break a lot of the ribs, and then the sharp ends would be more likely to puncture the lungs than "rupture" them. Ribs are very often broken when applying CPR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acharn Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Artisi said: Ribs are very often broken when applying CPR. Yes, I probably should have mentioned that, but are lungs often pierced, resulting in death of the patient? I've never gone through the training, it wasn't part of the Army's first aid training when I was still on active duty, but I've read descriptions of the procedure, and even recall one trainer's comment, "If you aren't breaking ribs you're not doing it right." Still, I didn't think ruptured or pierced lungs were a common outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 I just don't know why all of the above are talking about broken ribs and pierced lungs as a normal part of cpr. Who cares. The original cause of death was ruptured liver caused by a hard blunt object, massive abdominal bleeding , followed by asphyxiation. We might even say the first doctor mistakenly said liver, when he actually meant to say lungs. So detectives please explain abdominal bleeding as a result of a punctured lung. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 56 minutes ago, greenchair said: I just don't know why all of the above are talking about broken ribs and pierced lungs as a normal part of cpr. Who cares. The original cause of death was ruptured liver caused by a hard blunt object, massive abdominal bleeding , followed by asphyxiation. We might even say the first doctor mistakenly said liver, when he actually meant to say lungs. So detectives please explain abdominal bleeding as a result of a punctured lung. But this is Thailand, and you must be fully aware of the dismal reporting and ever the worse translation of initial half-cocked stories and outright arse covering lies released to the news media - especially by the BIB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBsinter Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Well we all know now, the out come,can"t find the words to discribe my feeling on this obvious, blatant cover up,its a tragedy,Para"s will be disgraced,probably dismissed enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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