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Need to change O visa to B for work permit

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I'm getting divorced soon,and am trying to apply for a work permit with a non immigrant B, instead of my O. Dominant still have to leave the country( I'm planning on a Laos trip), or can I do this visa change at immigration?  I'm being told I have to go to immigration and cancel my o, wait 7 to 10 days, then go to Laos and apply for the non immigrant B. HELLLLLLP

 

Thanks, B

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Do you have a Non 'O' visa entry (90 days) or a 1 year extension of stay based on marriage?

 

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1 year based on marriage. 

From other thread "But Im getting a work permit soon,before my divorce. So I can't get a permit with a visa that will be cancelled soon,right? Thanks for your answer."

 

Yes you can apply for the work permit with your current extension of stay based on marriage as it remains valid until the day your divorce is finalised.

The application for the Non-immigrant "B" has to be done by your employer. Once you have all the documentation in order,and signed by the employer, you can proceed. I think you will need to leave the country, but have your employer confirm that with Immigration before you do so.

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But once my divorce is final and the O visa is cancelled,won't that cancel my work permit that was obtained by that cancelled visa?

If you have an extension of stay based upon marriage you could change the reason for your extension to working on the date your divorce is finalized.

Work permits are not tied to visas. There is no automatic cancellation of the work permit.

 

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2 minutes ago, allane said:

The application for the Non-immigrant "B" has to be done by your employer. Once you have all the documentation in order,and signed by the employer, you can proceed. I think you will need to leave the country, but have your employer confirm that with Immigration before you do so.

So I don't fill out the application? 

You have to complete a form. But you can only do that if you have a job offer letter, or a contract signed by your employer, if you are already working.  Normally, an employer will prepare all the documentation, and tell you to sign your name where required.

4 minutes ago, Bangkok or bust said:

But once my divorce is final and the O visa is cancelled,won't that cancel my work permit that was obtained by that cancelled visa?

  • Your permission to stay (not a visa) is based on marriage and has no connection to your work permit.
  • When your divorce is finalised your permission to stay becomes invalid and needs cancelling/changing, but it doesn't affect your work permit.
  • On the day your divorce is finalised you should go to immigration to cancel the permission to stay based on marriage and change it to work. You shouldn't need to go outside for a new Non 'B' visa.
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My employer is waiting on an acceptance letter doah toah 3,which is from the ministry of labor. Once we have that, then I have to cancel my non O,after that I have 7 days to obtain a new visa,hence the non b.

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4 minutes ago, elviajero said:
  • Your permission to stay (not a visa) is based on marriage and has no connection to your work permit.
  • When your divorce is finalised your permission to stay becomes invalid and needs cancelling/changing, but it doesn't affect your work permit.
  • On the day your divorce is finalised you should go to immigration to cancel the permission to stay based on marriage and change it to work. You shouldn't need to go outside for a new Non 'B' visa.

 

Now I'm understanding that if I apply for a work permit with an O visa there is much more paperwork required by my employer. I guess it's good I'm getting divorced...555. 

 

Thank you everyone for your help,

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I'm still not sure why  can't just get my reason for extension changed to work here, instead of leaving.........

2 minutes ago, Bangkok or bust said:

 

Now I'm understanding that if I apply for a work permit with an O visa there is much more paperwork required by my employer. I guess it's good I'm getting divorced...555. 

 

Thank you everyone for your help,

The paperwork is exactly the same except that you might need to supply a copy of your marriage certificate.

 

It will be far easier for you to continue applying for the work permit as things stand, and then simply change the reason for your permission to stay from marriage to work when you divorce.

2 minutes ago, Bangkok or bust said:

I'm still not sure why  can't just get my reason for extension changed to work here, instead of leaving.........

You can, but you can't make the change until you're divorced.

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My boss says he wil have to show more past tax information if I try to go ahead and get the permit with my non immigrant O.

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I want this to be as easy for my employer as it can be, so if obtaining the work permit with a non immigrant B is easier, than so be it. Unless you can tell me something he's missing,because I totally lost......lol

 

Thanks again for your help.

5 minutes ago, Bangkok or bust said:

My boss says he wil have to show more past tax information if I try to go ahead and get the permit with my non immigrant O.

I don't see why the DOL issuing the work permit would want more tax information just because you're married. Sounds like misinformation to me.

 

1 minute ago, Bangkok or bust said:

I want this to be as easy for my employer as it can be, so if obtaining the work permit with a non immigrant B is easier, than so be it. Unless you can tell me something he's missing,because I totally lost......lol

 

Thanks again for your help.

If you want a Non 'B' you will have to exit the country.

If you exit, without a re-entry permit, your extension of stay based on marriage will end. When you re-enter with the Non 'B' visa you'll be granted permission to stay for 90 days, and can apply for a 1 year extension based on work within the last 30 days, even if you are still married.

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Actually,  when I left to visit home in March,when I came back the immigration officer didn't see my resume entry permit and stamped me in as a tourist,then when we went to get it straightened out, my account dropped 250 beat below the required 400k baht needed for Thai wife extension,  so they granted me a visiting Thai wife extension for 60 days to get the bank note correct.  My original non immigrant B visa a used to come here was issued from Thai embassy in Chicago back in 2014.i moved here in February of 2015.

 

Maybe that has no impact......

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3 minutes ago, elviajero said:

I don't see why the DOL issuing the work permit would want more tax information just because you're married. Sounds like misinformation to me.

 

If you want a Non 'B' you will have to exit the country.

If you exit, without a re-entry permit, your extension of stay based on marriage will end. When you re-enter with the Non 'B' visa you'll be granted permission to stay for 90 days, and can apply for a 1 year extension based on work within the last 30 days, even if you are still married.

 

 

OK,yes that makes sense.  Thank a bunch. 

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Well wait......so do I need to go to immigration and cancel anything then? Wil any of my existing visas or extensions keep me from getting my non b once I get to Laos? The Thai consulate won't deny me due to any existing visa,or extension?

 

I really hate going to immigration......... 

8 minutes ago, Bangkok or bust said:

Actually,  when I left to visit home in March,when I came back the immigration officer didn't see my resume entry permit and stamped me in as a tourist,then when we went to get it straightened out, my account dropped 250 beat below the required 400k baht needed for Thai wife extension,  so they granted me a visiting Thai wife extension for 60 days to get the bank note correct.  My original non immigrant B visa a used to come here was issued from Thai embassy in Chicago back in 2014.i moved here in February of 2015.

 

Maybe that has no impact......

So you've never had a Non 'O' visa.

  1. When did you last enter the country?
  2. Was the error corrected or did the 30 day visa exempt entry stand?

 

2 minutes ago, Bangkok or bust said:

Well wait......so do I need to go to immigration and cancel anything then? Wil any of my existing visas or extensions keep me from getting my non b once I get to Laos? The Thai consulate won't deny me due to any existing visa,or extension?

 

I really hate going to immigration......... 

  • As said, you don't need to do anything about your permission to stay until your divorce is finalised.
  • You will have no problem getting a Non 'B' from Laos as long as you have all the right paperwork.

 

 

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But why is my visa considered a non O Thai wife visa, not a Thai wife extension to stay?

 

Also, do I have to obtain my work permit before I can get the extension to stay for work? 

 

What if I get my divorce, do I have to go right away to cancel my extension to stay? 

Can I cancel the one and get the other in the same trip to immigration?

33 minutes ago, Bangkok or bust said:

But why is my visa considered a non O Thai wife visa, not a Thai wife extension to stay?

 

Also, do I have to obtain my work permit before I can get the extension to stay for work? 

 

What if I get my divorce, do I have to go right away to cancel my extension to stay? 

Can I cancel the one and get the other in the same trip to immigration?

  1. Because people frequently use the wrong terminology.
  2. Yes. But if your Visa Empt Entry error wasn't corrected (see my earlier question) you will need a new Non 'B' visa/entry before you can apply for an extension of stay. You will only be able to change the reason for your extension from marriage to work if you kept your original Non Immigrant Visa Entry alive with a re-entry permit when you re-entered after your exit in March.
  3. Yes.
  4. Yes.

The Department of Labour (DOL) and The Immigration Bureau (TIB) are two independent government bodies. The DOL deal with your work permit and TIB deal with your permission to stay.

 

The DOL want evidence that you entered with a Non Immigrant Visa that was either category 'B' or 'O'. If it was/is an 'O' entry, or you have a subsequent extension of stay, they want evidence that you are married.

 

TIB have issued you with permission to stay based on being married so when your divorce is finalised you must immediately tell them and either leave the country or apply for an extension for another qualifying reason. As long as you have a work permit before you're divorce is finalised you can cancel the marriage extension and apply for one based on work (as long as you didn't lose the Non Immigrant entry because of the error when you last entered).

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35 minutes ago, elviajero said:
  1. Because people frequently use the wrong terminology.
  2. Yes. But if your Visa Empt Entry error wasn't corrected (see my earlier question) you will need a new Non 'B' visa/entry before you can apply for an extension of stay. You will only be able to change the reason for your extension from marriage to work if you kept your original Non Immigrant Visa Entry alive with a re-entry permit when you re-entered after your exit in March.
  3. Yes.
  4. Yes.

The Department of Labour (DOL) and The Immigration Bureau (TIB) are two independent government bodies. The DOL deal with your work permit and TIB deal with your permission to stay.

 

The DOL want evidence that you entered with a Non Immigrant Visa that was either category 'B' or 'O'. If it was/is an 'O' entry, or you have a subsequent extension of stay, they want evidence that you are married.

 

TIB have issued you with permission to stay based on being married so when your divorce is finalised you must immediately tell them and either leave the country or apply for an extension for another qualifying reason. As long as you have a work permit before you're divorce is finalised you can cancel the marriage extension and apply for one based on work (as long as you didn't lose the Non Immigrant entry because of the error when you last entered).

 

 

Wow,are you an attorney?  Great detail. OK. So I want to get the new  b because I think my original one was disqualified when the lady didn't see my re entry permit. When I get to Suvannakhet, Laos, and hand them my passport, they will issue me a non b even though I have a glaring Thai wife visa/extension stamp good till next year? Won't they question me as to why I'm changing visas? Or do they just want my money,and don't care...?

 

 

I also need a multiple entry,so I do that in Laos also at the same time correct? I know it's a lot more cost. 

 

I was married in USA, will my divorce here be accepted in USA? She says it will be.

 

I feel like I owe you a steak dinner at Arnos.......hahha. Thanks 

7 minutes ago, Bangkok or bust said:

Wow,are you an attorney?  Great detail. OK. So I want to get the new  b because I think my original one was disqualified when the lady didn't see my re entry permit. When I get to Suvannakhet, Laos, and hand them my passport, they will issue me a non b even though I have a glaring Thai wife visa/extension stamp good till next year? Won't they question me as to why I'm changing visas? Or do they just want my money,and don't care...?

 

I also need a multiple entry,so I do that in Laos also at the same time correct? I know it's a lot more cost. 

 

I was married in USA, will my divorce here be accepted in USA? She says it will be.

 

I feel like I owe you a steak dinner at Arnos.......hahha. Thanks 

  • Savannakhet will only issue you with a Single Entry Non 'B' visa.
  • Your previous visas or extensions of stay will not affect you getting the new visa. They will not care. You just need to provide the right paperwork for a Non 'B' visa and pay the money.
  • You'll be granted 90 days when you re-enter Thailand with the new Non 'B' visa. During that 90 days you'll need to apply for a 1 year extension of stay. You can apply for a multiple entry re-entry permit as soon as the extension has been granted, and can leave/re-enter as often as you want until the extension ends. It costs 3,800 baht.
  • You can get divorce advice in the marriage and divorce forum.
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Everything I've read says Suvannakhet issues all types. So is  Vientiane better,I hear it's a zoo......but I can get the multiple entry when I get my extension,so I guess I just want ease and convenience then. Which location do you recommend? 

 

Thanks for the other forum link.

18 minutes ago, Bangkok or bust said:

Everything I've read says Suvannakhet issues all types. So is  Vientiane better,I hear it's a zoo......but I can get the multiple entry when I get my extension,so I guess I just want ease and convenience then. Which location do you recommend? 

 

Thanks for the other forum link.

The only multiple entry visa that Savannakhet issue is a Non 'O' based on marriage (maybe as a parent).

 

Savannakhet is quieter, but as long as you don't go to Vientiane on a Monday or Thursday morning when the visa run companies are there it's usually not too bad. I've not needed a visa for years, but my preference was always Vientiane. Vientiane will only issue a Single Entry Non 'B' too.

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Ok. Thanks again for your help. 

Not sure what happened when you entered the country and got a 30 day visa exempt entry. Immigration should of corrected the error if your extension was still valid. There would be no reason for them to want to see your bank book to do that.

As soon as you leave the country you no longer have a valid extension or visa entry. They end as soon as the departure stamp is done.

You will not get a multiple entry non-b visa in Laos. They do not issue them.

Yes your divorce will recognized in the US. 

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