SURVEY: Should Donald Trump drop out of the Presidential Race?

[Ulysses G.]

9 minutes ago, Linzz said:

 

I thought he may just compliment Chelsey as it was all Hillary did on Trump's children, but he went a lot further than I expected. 

 

I was thinking the same thing at the time. That is probably what I would have done in his position.  I give him credit for going further.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Ulysses G.

[Linzz]

19 hours ago, iReason said:

 

Exactly.

 

Game over.

 

What possibly can be your point of continually supporting the Bloviator?

 

Daily Stormer follower?

 

The quote was from the NY Post, a little more balanced than the Washington one. To draw comparison with the neo Nazi publication is bloviation of your own making

[Linzz]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

He won't drop out. 

But the value of his BRAND will.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/10/10/the-irony-of-ironies-trump-destroys-the-brand/?utm_term=.9f3bcc1a0ae0

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Yes but do you read any other publications other than the Washington Post? 

[keemapoot]

Just now, Linzz said:

 

Yes but do you read any other publications other than the Washington Post? 

 

I suppose Breibart and Fox News are still projecting a Trump win? 

[Linzz]

Just now, keemapoot said:

 

I suppose Breibart and Fox News are still projecting a Trump win? 

 

Probably. But I find it remarkable how partisan the media is in the US. For instance Fox was celebrating a win in the last debate while at the same time (channel surfing) CNN was polling the dead opposite with a 57% to Hillary.

I subscribed to the Washington Post until I got tired of it's oh so predictable bias.

[keemapoot]

Just now, Linzz said:

 

Probably. But I find it remarkable how partisan the media is in the US. For instance Fox was celebrating a win in the last debate while at the same time (channel surfing) CNN was polling the dead opposite with a 57% to Hillary.

I subscribed to the Washington Post until I got tired of it's oh so predictable bias.

 

Seriously though, the problem with Trump supporters and ultra right wingers is that they allege every single news source is biased against them, even Murdoch-owned WSJ, etc..  The only sources they consider valid are those like Fox. Yes, the Washington Post is biased, but it's also intelligent, thoughtful, and well-reasoned. 

 

There used to be great conservative voices like Bill Buckley Jr., and others, and they have all died away to be replaced by this hate-filled noise we see now.

[Ulysses G.]

37 minutes ago, keemapoot said:

 

I suppose Breibart and Fox News are still projecting a Trump win? 

 

You suppose wrong. There are many different opinions about Trump on Fox News. Many of the hosts don't like him.

[keemapoot]

Just now, Ulysses G. said:

 

You suppose wrong. There are many different opinions about Trump on Fox News. Many of the hosts don't like him.

 

Those will be the ones who survive this Trump holocaust. 

[Scott]

One post has been removed, others may.   The name of the candidate is Donald Trump.   Whether you like him or not, please use his correct name.  

 

Continued inflammatory trolling will result in suspensions.  

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, Linzz said:

 

I believe you are British. I am kiwi. Generally it should not be regional but I have heard worse salacious talk from British males than any other national I have met.  I haven't them all of course, there may be other nationals who might take out a contest. 

 

You are not wrong

 

However, we are discussing Trump; what is your point?

[Silurian]

4 hours ago, Linzz said:

Hopefully if Trump becomes Pres, he will elevate himself and be elevated to a higher standard than celebrity potty mouth. 

 

I, for one, highly doubt Trump will become any more mature as a President. Maybe publicly, but in privately he will have an even bigger ego than before. I can't even imagine how bad it will be since he has such a high opinion of himself as a celebrity. How will being in even higher, more powerful position make Donald more humble? No, I think not.

[shadmo63]

3 hours ago, Silurian said:

 

I, for one, highly doubt Trump will become any more mature as a President. Maybe publicly, but in privately he will have an even bigger ego than before. I can't even imagine how bad it will be since he has such a high opinion of himself as a celebrity. How will being in even higher, more powerful position make Donald more humble? No, I think not.

If you haven't matured by 70, it's not gonna happen, especially if you're an arrogant, egomaniacal narcissistic man-boy. 

[Bob9]

On 09/10/2016 at 9:42 PM, Calach said:

 

Yeah... he lied about banging the trainee and almost got removed from office. Bush deliberately lied by knowingly presenting bogus proofs to Americans and to the UN itself, to launch a war that caused thousands of American deaths and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's, he never had to worry about it. And now we are debating whether Trump should renounce over a 10 yo crude private bragging, while Clinton has bigger faults to be blamed for, as far as we know at least. It looks like the moral compass of US public life is more concerned by zippers than by historical crimes and corruption. 

So true - well said.  But unfortunately in this age of 'sound bytes' and short attention spans, such thoughts about the 'substance' of US politics and the candidates, get very little (if any) coverage.  Trumps is not perfect, and only silly liberals thinks that thinking people would think he is, but he is the 'alternative candidate'.   But Trump is the only alternative to another 8 years of the same Dem/GOP system of Government - which has clearly gone wrong.  It will only be through a Trump victory that the US 'political system' will adjust and change. The Dems/GOPs want to be in Government/Power, and they will always follow the path that gives them the best chance to win.  Trump as POTUS will change the political system in US for the next 2-3 decades. Clinton as POTUS will only reinforce the current system and methodologies to get elected and to stay elected. 

[Publicus]

On 10/10/2016 at 2:04 AM, Si Thea01 said:

 

I see you have a great liking for the other side, given what you are calling those who elect to vote for Trump.  Sounds like a hate rant, something you are accusing others of in relation to the current president, Michelle and Hilary.  I haven't seen anything directed toward Michelle, maybe you could provide some facts in that regard.

 

Trump being a Birther is like me demanding that you prove your native language is English.

 

So let's see that primary school certificate, the middle school document and the high school certification document. And of course, the birth certificate...the long form too.

 

What started with Trump and his fellow Birthers is ending with HRC in the Oval Office and Barack Obama exiting the White House with public approval ratings in the mid to high range of 50s of percent.

 

Next time I might mention that Birthers are crackpot racists...starting with Donald Trump. But that could be the next time this comes up.

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, Bob9 said:

So true - well said.  But unfortunately in this age of 'sound bytes' and short attention spans, such thoughts about the 'substance' of US politics and the candidates, get very little (if any) coverage.  Trumps is not perfect, and only silly liberals thinks that thinking people would think he is, but he is the 'alternative candidate'.   But Trump is the only alternative to another 8 years of the same Dem/GOP system of Government - which has clearly gone wrong.  It will only be through a Trump victory that the US 'political system' will adjust and change. The Dems/GOPs want to be in Government/Power, and they will always follow the path that gives them the best chance to win.  Trump as POTUS will change the political system in US for the next 2-3 decades. Clinton as POTUS will only reinforce the current system and methodologies to get elected and to stay elected. 

"But unfortunately in this age of 'sound bytes' and short attention spans, such thoughts about the 'substance' of US politics and the candidates, get very little (if any) coverage.  "

I agree with you it is unfortunate, but you'd better remember that it is thanks to this that Trump is able to run for president. If it were for substance he would not even have made it to the primaries.

[Tawan Dok Krating Daeng]

2 hours ago, Bob9 said:

So true - well said.  But unfortunately in this age of 'sound bytes' and short attention spans, such thoughts about the 'substance' of US politics and the candidates, get very little (if any) coverage.  Trumps is not perfect, and only silly liberals thinks that thinking people would think he is, but he is the 'alternative candidate'.   But Trump is the only alternative to another 8 years of the same Dem/GOP system of Government - which has clearly gone wrong.  It will only be through a Trump victory that the US 'political system' will adjust and change. The Dems/GOPs want to be in Government/Power, and they will always follow the path that gives them the best chance to win.  Trump as POTUS will change the political system in US for the next 2-3 decades. Clinton as POTUS will only reinforce the current system and methodologies to get elected and to stay elected. 

 

So much babble from the worker bees on the Russian Troll Farms. Meaningless rants with no substance.

 

Trump will change the system to what? What impact on the 2 party political structure? what Constitutional Authority does he have to change the Constitution? What plans for the Executive Branch? What is the corruption that you claim and how will it be stopped by Trump?

 

The few remaining right wing Trump lovers seem to have no sense of shame in continuing to push his candidacy. None of them actually provide any evidence of Trump's policy relating to change or ability to implement change.

 

It is just the Putin employees stirring up mud and trying to confuse people.

 

Keep at it tovarish.

[ttthailand]

To answer the question ... Clinton and Trump should both step down as one is as bad as the other!

[Jingthing]

Just now, ttthailand said:

To answer the question ... Clinton and Trump should both step down as one is as bad as the other!

Neither will and one will be president. Clinton is much, much better.

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎10‎.‎10‎.‎2016 at 0:04 PM, thaihome said:

 

I disagree that "most blokes" make jokes about being able to get away with sexual assault.  I do agree that most discuss women's physical attributes and speculate on their chances or inclination to participate  sexual acts. But I don't think they brag about sexual assaults which is what Trump did.

TH 

 

Trump: “I’ve gotta use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything.”

Unknown: “Whatever you want.”

Trump: “Grab them by the p—y. You can do anything

 http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/transcript-trumps-lewd-remarks-from-2005/

Oh dear, groupies consent to being used. Trump has admitted to nothing illegal. Try and spin it all you like you are wrong.

How do you even know he did anything? 99% of locker room bragging is BS, though we might all know some BS artist that claimed to have done the dirty when he probably never did. You anti Trumpers claim Trump lies all the time, so how is it you choose to believe this alone?

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Tawan Dok Krating Daeng said:

 

So much babble from the worker bees on the Russian Troll Farms. Meaningless rants with no substance.

 

Trump will change the system to what? What impact on the 2 party political structure? what Constitutional Authority does he have to change the Constitution? What plans for the Executive Branch? What is the corruption that you claim and how will it be stopped by Trump?

 

The few remaining right wing Trump lovers seem to have no sense of shame in continuing to push his candidacy. None of them actually provide any evidence of Trump's policy relating to change or ability to implement change.

 

It is just the Putin employees stirring up mud and trying to confuse people.

 

Keep at it tovarish.

I watched Clinton giving a speech last night. For the 15 minutes or so that it was shown, Clinton said nothing positive, and just attacked Trump the entire time. Bit strange coming from one claiming to be on the high road.

If it keeps Clinton from the White House, I'll become right wing.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

"But unfortunately in this age of 'sound bytes' and short attention spans, such thoughts about the 'substance' of US politics and the candidates, get very little (if any) coverage.  "

I agree with you it is unfortunate, but you'd better remember that it is thanks to this that Trump is able to run for president. If it were for substance he would not even have made it to the primaries.

If not for DWS and the corrupt DNC cabal, Bernie would be the candidate. Haven't seen much of him recently- probably hiding in shame for supporting her as all the leaks show what she really felt about him.

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, Opl said:

Very true - Link worth reading - thank you Jingthing for sharing!

 

 The irony of ironies: Trump destroys the brand - by Jennifer Rubin

excerpts

"Think about this. Who would want a “degree” from Trump University? Who thinks he will seem classy and sophisticated staying in a Trump hotel? What developer is going to want to put Trump’s name on his building?"

" Trump always had a chip on his shoulder. The boy from Queens never had the respect of the Manhattan society crowd. But he’d show them! They’d have to do business with him because he was Donald Trump and the Trump brand was irresistible. Now it’s toxic, and he’s a leper in polite society. The fortune — or appearance of a fortune — he accumulated and which his adult children depended upon (without her last name, Ivanka was never going to have a vanity brand) may be so diminished that not even he can sustain the image of a multibillionaire. He’ll try, of course. He’ll insist that he made money on the race."

 

And same will go with America brand , if D. Trump gets elected.  

There will be a " before" and an " after" Trump running for President.  

It's only been a few days and it's already old news. Won't make any difference to his brand, though things might be a bit frosty in the boudoir.

 

 he’s a leper in polite society

Nah. None of those phonies liked him anyway.

Business will carry on as usual.

[thaibeachlovers]

It's been an interesting 10 pages.

Over 200 replies saying "he's bad" and "no he's not" and not a single opinion, or vote, changed as a result.

[hdkane]

There is no dispute that the "super delegates" were committed to Clinton BEFORE any campaigning for the nomination. Moreover, the DNC attempted to sabotage Sanders.  Her nomination was not a democratic process...she was appointed.  Thus, Trump is the only legitimate candidate who has a chance of winning.  The Democrats had an amazing chance to retain the presidency, but they chose to "give it" to Clinton.  Can you imagine that anyone other than Clinton would be struggling to win against Trump?  As an American, it's embarrassing to witness.

[Si Thea01]

3 hours ago, Publicus said:

 

Trump being a Birther is like me demanding that you prove your native language is English.

 

So let's see that primary school certificate, the middle school document and the high school certification document. And of course, the birth certificate...the long form too.

 

What started with Trump and his fellow Birthers is ending with HRC in the Oval Office and Barack Obama exiting the White House with public approval ratings in the mid to high range of 50s of percent.

 

Next time I might mention that Birthers are crackpot racists...starting with Donald Trump. But that could be the next time this comes up.

 

Thanks for the history lesson.  You don't have to wait until next time, you've already mentioned it.  Save your fingers.

[Publicus]

 

No problem.

 

My fingers have a long way to get to the bone.

 

Used to have a pain in the arse here but that went away a long time ago.

 

Keep on whinging thx.

[Si Thea01]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's been an interesting 10 pages.

Over 200 replies saying "he's bad" and "no he's not" and not a single opinion, or vote, changed as a result.

 

A battle of the left and right, with a few in be tweens.  Now, just a couple of questions.  How is it that you can state that not a single opinion or vote has changed?  Given what those reporting for CNN and all major newspapers are stating that many opinions and votes have changed from Trump to Clinton and he is down and out.  Have you the same gift,   Precognition or are you just a plain old clairvoyant.

 

[Si Thea01]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If not for DWS and the corrupt DNC cabal, Bernie would be the candidate. Haven't seen much of him recently- probably hiding in shame for supporting her as all the leaks show what she really felt about him.

 

Agree 100 percent.  Not that I am for a socialist but it appears he has a lot cleaner back ground and more decency than dear Hilary.

[Linzz]

3 hours ago, Tawan Dok Krating Daeng said:

 

So much babble from the worker bees on the Russian Troll Farms. Meaningless rants with no substance.

 

Trump will change the system to what? What impact on the 2 party political structure? what Constitutional Authority does he have to change the Constitution? What plans for the Executive Branch? What is the corruption that you claim and how will it be stopped by Trump?

 

The few remaining right wing Trump lovers seem to have no sense of shame in continuing to push his candidacy. None of them actually provide any evidence of Trump's policy relating to change or ability to implement change.

 

It is just the Putin employees stirring up mud and trying to confuse people.

 

Keep at it tovarish.

 

Yes he should continue. If he gets beaten then so be it.

 

But there is a lot of talk about interference from the Russians which may or may not be true. Amazing how people just believe anything they are told without withholding just a little bit of doubt when there is so much at stake. Note "pressure growing from within the administration"

The denunciation, made by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Homeland Security, came as pressure was growing from within the administration and some lawmakers to publicly name Moscow and hold it accountable for actions apparently aimed at sowing discord around the election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-government-officially-accuses-russia-of-hacking-campaign-to-influence-elections/2016/10/07/4e0b9654-8cbf-11e6-875e-2c1bfe943b66_story.html

 

Actually it can be possible for Obama to cancel the election and declare a fraud if Assange reveals enough to swing voters and Trump is elected, claiming interference from an outside power. Perhaps Trump would indict Hillary and threaten the existence of the Democrat Party. Who knows what really is the thinking behind the scenes? Perhaps Trump might cancel nation building and forge an alliance with Putin to destroy ISIS. At this point America is arming rebels including Al Qaeda (how do they tell the difference?). Those American arms can be used to kill Americans. How is Clinton going to  impose her former plan of a no fly zone? Go to war against the Russian air force? Things are getting dodgy. Who is the hawk Trump or Clinton?

Meanwhile the Trump bloke-ish boasting hysteria continues. Nuts

Edited October 11, 2016 by Linzz
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[up-country_sinclair]

If the video/audio recording had the comments of a CEO, the board of directors would force him to resign immediately.  

If the video/audio recordings had the comments of a nominee for a cabinet position, he'd never make it out of committee.

If the video/audio recording had the comments of a presidential candidate in any other year, he'd be forced to end his campaign.

 

But the Trump fanboys don't care about any of that because they believe their hero "tells it like it is".  The problem with that is the majority of American voters don't believe that's actually how "it is".  The majority of American voters see Trump as unfit for office and he is going to lose next month.  Badly.