On a trip leaving Bangkok I suspect my passport was ripped by thai departure immigration. When I returned I went through immigration and proceeded to make a complaint. Long story short this didnt go so well, I believe I was accused of being rude and refused entry.

 

My entry stamp had the word cancelled stamp over it and a new stamp in thai stated I was a threat and refused entry. I was sent to the UK and told to get a new passport and return in two weeks.

 

Its very diffcult to get someone on the phone from the Royal Thai Embassy in the UK to discuss my case. The one person I spoke to said I cant transfer my existing non-b and would need to make a new one.

 

A Thai friend called Suvarnabhumi immigration and was told if I bring both passports I should be able to have my non b visa transfered to my new passport at the airport.

 

Can anyone offer any advice on who to contact to discuss the validity of my non b and rentry into Thailand?

 

 

 

 

If you have a valid non-b visa you will use both passports until it expires on entry to the country. Visas are not transferred.

Immigration will only transfer extension of stay and the re-entry permit issued for it. On entry to the country they would stamp you in based upon the re-entry permit in the old passport.

Ben where are you now?

 

Am I correct in asserting that you actually managed to enter Thailand and were then ejected because you made a complaint?

 

 

In the UK

Could I ask if you were abusive in any way when making the complaint?

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Well I got stamped in and went to speak to an immigration official to inquire about making a complaint. This conversation resulted in me being labeled a threat, I don't agree with this label but that doesn't seem to matter. I called my embassy for help while I was still at the airport but they said there was nothing they could do,  so I should just fly home.

I don't believe I was abusive but I am not the man with the stamps.

Your passport has been stamped by Thai immigration, noting you are a threat and furthermore to deny you entry.

 

You are contemplating the validity of your Non B and whether or not you will be allowed re-entry into Thailand with your current passport.

 

I think you need to re-evaluate your thinking. Whether or not your Non B remains valid, the fact that you have a notation in your passport to deny you entry supercedes whatever went before.

 

If you get a new passport and fly to Thailand and ask to have your Non B visa transferred, what do you think is going to happen when Immigration see the stamp saying you should not be admitted? Somehow I don't think they will invite you to discuss the matter over a cup of tea and some biscuits.

 

At which point Immigration will know the serial number of your new passport, and probably void that too.

 

Get a new passport, a new Non B and start again. You also won't have to worry about using the ripped passport either.

12 minutes ago, blackcab said:

Your passport has been stamped by Thai immigration, noting you are a threat and furthermore to deny you entry.

 

You are contemplating the validity of your Non B and whether or not you will be allowed re-entry into Thailand with your current passport.

 

I think you need to re-evaluate your thinking. Whether or not your Non B remains valid, the fact that you have a notation in your passport to deny you entry supercedes whatever went before.

 

If you get a new passport and fly to Thailand and ask to have your Non B visa transferred, what do you think is going to happen when Immigration see the stamp saying you should not be admitted? Somehow I don't think they will invite you to discuss the matter over a cup of tea and some biscuits.

 

At which point Immigration will know the serial number of your new passport, and probably void that too.

 

Get a new passport, a new Non B and start again. You also won't have to worry about using the ripped passport either.

A lot will depend upon the reason shown on the denial of entry stamp. It will have the clauses of section 12 of the immigration act on it.

Since he was told to get a new passport it be clause one.

Quote

1. Having no genuine and valid passport or document used in lieu of passport ; or having a
genuine and valid passport or document used in lieu of a passport without Visaing by the Royal Thai
Embassies or Consulates in Foreign countries ; or from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs , excepting if a visa
is not required for certain types of aliens in special instances.
Visaing and visa exemption will be under the learn and conditions as provided in the Ministerial
Regulations.

 

It would be useful if you could you post a scan of the denial stamp, remove any personal information of course.

Let me PM you Crossy

A friend called immigration at Suvarnabhumi immigration, the stamp maybe scary but apparently without a conviction or actually any involvement from the police its unlikely to cause future entry denials. Am going to think positive, ill let you know the outcome.

He was stamped in, then kicked out of the country on the whim of one immigration officer.... is that legal?

3 hours ago, EnglishBen said:

I don't believe I was abusive but I am not the man with the stamps.

You suspect they did it but are not sure and you want to complain?

11 hours ago, lemonjelly said:

He was stamped in, then kicked out of the country on the whim of one immigration officer.... is that legal?

 

Quote:  "...on the whim of one immigration officer..."

 

You don't know the full details so why do you make this statement?

 

Reality, right or wrong, immigration officers do have the power to make decisions on many subject areas.

 

I took a team of MBA students from Thailand to an international business case study competition in Texas some years back. I didn't need a visa in advance, I received an entry stamp automatically and the immigration lady was pleasant and friendly.

 

Next in line, my 8 Thai students, all with visas in advance from the US embassy in Bkk. Pleasant and friendly immigration lady instantly turned into the dragon from hell, berated the students for every ridiculous reason she could think of including personal insults about their appearance and clothes. In fact they were older students, late twenties, not teenagers, all well groomed and all well dressed. She insisted one of the young men who was carrying (not wearing) a beanie hat throw it in the garbage bin.  She made them stand to the side with an officer watching them for perhaps an hour while she went back to processing the passports of more incoming arrivals, then with another tirade of abuse stamped them all in in bulk. 

 

I've also seen Australian immigration officers speak very rudely and aggressively to arrivals who couldn't speak good English.

 

Why do they do this? Who knows, but part of the reason is because rightly or wrongly they can. 

Edited October 21, 20169 yr by scorecard

Remember it is at the SOLE discretion of the immigration official who stamps you in to Thailand if you are given the right to enter and stay or if you are refused entry!

 

The lesson is, ALWAYS be polite and helpful to Immigration officers when entering the country.

I do not know exactly what happened to the OP but I would suggest the IO took offense to something he said or how the IO interpreted he  said it.  IO's have much power and can refuse someone on a whim. I have seen angry Io's at just about every airport I have ever entered in my 55years of travel. In some cases it was apparent they simply did not like the 'looks' of the person trying to enter. My worst experiences were in the USA where I was questioned extensively about why I went to Thailand often and customs even checked through my personal pictures and papers. To this day- I have no idea why.  I have never had a bad experience trying to enter or leave Thailand. I have always dressed smartly; smiled and spoken only when spoken to.  Unfortunately, it doesn't work in the so called 'developed' World.

I hope the Op gets his situation sorted. The best advice is to get a new passport and a new visa.

Of course IO's can allow or refuse entry, but surely there must be some template?

Your Non B was cancelled and you where refused entry You need to get a new visa

Its that simple

2 hours ago, Badbanker said:

Remember it is at the SOLE discretion of the immigration official who stamps you in to Thailand if you are given the right to enter and stay or if you are refused entry!

 

The lesson is, ALWAYS be polite and helpful to Immigration officers when entering the country.

and not only when you're entering the country..

1 minute ago, realenglish1 said:

Your Non B was cancelled and you where refused entry You need to get a new visa

Its that simple

What makes you think the non-b was cancelled.

2 hours ago, Badbanker said:

Remember it is at the SOLE discretion of the immigration official who stamps you in to Thailand if you are given the right to enter and stay or if you are refused entry!

 

The lesson is, ALWAYS be polite and helpful to Immigration officers when entering the country.

 

And that in itself is a very dangerous weapon. Ridiculous but it appears not much can be done, at least 99% of the time.

How do you know they ripped your passport? And why would they do that ? 

A top corner of one page in my UK passport was also ripped. This was due to a staple from one of the entry cards.

I see they no longer staple the entry card. When I got to immigration on entry there was an enquiry whether to let me in or not. The rip was very small on the top corner.

They would not allow me into Thailand. Fortunately I have 2 passports for work.

In the end I had to go to the Trendy building and get a new passport. A letter from my company as to why I needed 2 passports.

All of this because of a staple. Thankfully they dont do it anymore. Well for the last few trips anyway.

29 minutes ago, baneko said:

A top corner of one page in my UK passport was also ripped. This was due to a staple from one of the entry cards.

I see they no longer staple the entry card. When I got to immigration on entry there was an enquiry whether to let me in or not. The rip was very small on the top corner.

They would not allow me into Thailand. Fortunately I have 2 passports for work.

In the end I had to go to the Trendy building and get a new passport. A letter from my company as to why I needed 2 passports.

All of this because of a staple. Thankfully they dont do it anymore. Well for the last few trips anyway.

There are some countries that still staple entry or exit cards into passports. I have always carefully taken the staples out and kept the card in my passports, that way I have never had a passport damaged by an IO and never had a complaint that it wasn't stapled in.

Methinks there is a bit more info to this situation not shared here

I had this happen to me IO (Tore a little bit of the P/P) he stuck it with cello tape

I used it 2/3 time after no one bothered about it,on a new P/P now.............

20 hours ago, EnglishBen said:

Well I got stamped in and went to speak to an immigration official to inquire about making a complaint. This conversation resulted in me being labeled a threat, I don't agree with this label but that doesn't seem to matter. I called my embassy for help while I was still at the airport but they said there was nothing they could do,  so I should just fly home.

These immigration people as I have said for years. They are a disgraceful bunch of amatures and you should have videoed the whole saga. I  to was not even given my departure card on 2 arrivals He could not speak due to his stupid dust mask around his head. This is what people first see entering the great kingdom. Rude unprofessional people as you have posted here. This whole mess has occurred due to there no care about new government attitude. I feel sorry for you. That's why I do not complain. Very simply I accept there not nice people. 

Edited October 21, 20169 yr by performance

36 minutes ago, natway09 said:

Methinks there is a bit more info to this situation not shared here

I think your wrong. They simply will not be spoken with there above that lol.

3 hours ago, swissbie said:

and not only when you're entering the country..

It states  the Non B was stamped Cancelled  by Thai immigration