SheungWan Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, aright said: Just because the process hurts doesn't mean the results won't be beautiful. Hello! The forum vicar is here with the vapid sermons. Edited November 27, 2017 by SheungWan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aright Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Hello! The Pagan Pilgrim has shown up, the closet one sentence intellectual, with his exaltation of ignorance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talahtnut Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Hello, The Oracle has turned up, this does not bode well for posting, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adammike Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 2 hours ago, i claudius said: See you said you were not going to post again, and there you go lol.as a matter of fact ime bored with the whole business. Its not Europe i dont like , its the freeloading bastards in Brussels and all the ones who just want to stay so they can feather their own nests Sent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app As apposed to the ones who want to leave to feather their own nests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Looks like Liam Fox has just invited the people of Ireland to resolve the problem for them. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/liam-fox-brexit-irish-border-northern-ireland-theresa-may-dup-a8076486.html?S2ref=1532332 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 That elephant just gets bigger and bigger. Ireland’s Foreign Minister has said the EU’s most senior leaders have assured him Brexit talks will not move on to the next stage unless the UK gives greater guarantees over the Irish border. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ireland-border-brexit-eu-support-theresa-may-concessions-block-talks-negotiations-simon-coveney-a8078116.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baansgr Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Great to see that after a few warnings and suspensions at the weekend it has toned this thread down to far more amicable. Lessons learnt i hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 21 minutes ago, baansgr said: Great to see that after a few warnings and suspensions at the weekend it has toned this thread down to far more amicable. Lessons learnt i hope. I note that a few members may require a few more restrictions on their posting ability. Please stay on topic. Banter may be fun, but it is off-topic and it is very distracting for those who are actually reading the thread for information and opinions on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 5 hours ago, sandyf said: Looks like Liam Fox has just invited the people of Ireland to resolve the problem for them. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/liam-fox-brexit-irish-border-northern-ireland-theresa-may-dup-a8076486.html?S2ref=1532332 It would appear that the Government hasn't a clue how to deal with the Irish border issue in any confident way other than to attempt to supposedly use it as a bargaining chip for a trade deal. The UK government has said it doesn't want a hard border, but throw that in with the vaunted claim that Brexit was about the UK controlling its border with the EU and the whole project turns to mush. No wonder the forum Hard Brexiteers don't even go near the negotiations. The real world is too much for them. Crash out much simpler. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Han Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 54 minutes ago, SheungWan said: It would appear that the Government hasn't a clue how to deal with the Irish border issue in any confident way other than to attempt to supposedly use it as a bargaining chip for a trade deal. The UK government has said it doesn't want a hard border, but throw that in with the vaunted claim that Brexit was about the UK controlling its border with the EU and the whole project turns to mush. No wonder the forum Hard Brexiteers don't even go near the negotiations. The real world is too much for them. Crash out much simpler. There was an interesting discussion on one of the talking head radio channels this morning, where one of the guests was putting forward the view that the border issue is just the Irish government playing politics. That, as a practicality, it's a non-issue because 99.99% of the commercial vehicles making the cross-border run make the same runs day-in day-out, week-in week-out, and can be regulated with an absolute minimum of fuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adammike Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Khun Han said: There was an interesting discussion on one of the talking head radio channels this morning, where one of the guests was putting forward the view that the border issue is just the Irish government playing politics. That, as a practicality, it's a non-issue because 99.99% of the commercial vehicles making the cross-border run make the same runs day-in day-out, week-in week-out, and can be regulated with an absolute minimum of fuss. I thought the whole thing was about taking control of our borders to stop immigration not about trade? How can the border be open? that can let anybody in. So the blame game begins it's the Republic and/ or the EU of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Han Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 48 minutes ago, adammike said: I thought the whole thing was about taking control of our borders to stop immigration not about trade? How can the border be open? that can let anybody in. So the blame game begins it's the Republic and/ or the EU of course. Sorry, but you missed the point I was making: that we can have a defined border which is hassle-free for regular users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Han Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Continuing attempts by Project Fear to disrupt brexit: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42142882 The government is, sensibly, withholding sensitive information pertaining to the ongoing brexit negotiations because the committee which demanded to see the relevant reports will not give any assurances about confidentiality on said sensitive information. Guess who is all over this like a rash? Keir Starmer, the dodgy lawyer who was parachuted into the parliamentary Labour party by Project Fear. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 10 minutes ago, Khun Han said: Continuing attempts by Project Fear to disrupt brexit: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42142882 The government is, sensibly, withholding sensitive information pertaining to the ongoing brexit negotiations because the committee which demanded to see the relevant reports will not give any assurances about confidentiality on said sensitive information. Guess who is all over this like a rash? Keir Starmer, the dodgy lawyer who was parachuted into the parliamentary Labour party by Project Fear. The only thing sensitive about the Government's current negotiations is the empty pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post anon537687643 Posted November 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2017 The only thing sensitive about the Government's current negotiations is the empty pot.“Empty pot”? That what the failing Eu is getting pissed over not being able to fill after UK billions are no longer available !Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aright Posted November 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2017 13 minutes ago, markaoffy said: “Empty pot”? That what the failing Eu is getting pissed over not being able to fill after UK billions are no longer available ! Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app You are wasting your time. Remainers want to concentrate and wallow in the difficulties encountered coming to an agreement they are reluctant to talk about the busted flush that is the EU. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i claudius Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 As apposed to the ones who want to leave to feather their own nests.Well we know all those on the EU gravy train so please do tell is all those who will gain by leavingSent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, i claudius said: Well we know all those on the EU gravy train so please do tell is all those who will gain by leaving Sent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Has it really never occurred to you why all the Komodo Cons are so keen to leave? Low corporation tax Relaxed animal welfare standards Relaxed employment regulations Relaxed environment standards Reduced pensions Relaxed building regs Shall I go on? Do you think all these Dyson and Bamford types are philanthropists at heart? Some people need to wake up .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aright Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, Grouse said: Has it really never occurred to you why all the Komodo Cons are so keen to leave? Low corporation tax Relaxed animal welfare standards Relaxed employment regulations Relaxed environment standards Reduced pensions Relaxed building regs Shall I go on? Do you think all these Dyson and Bamford types are philanthropists at heart? Some people need to wake up .... Shall I go on? Well you do tend to quite a lot. Your hard evidence for your claims? Dyson and Bamford are Industrialists (Capitalists) not Philanthropists, I suppose you could argue that they are Philanthropists in the sense that without their businesses a lot of people would not be able to pay their rent/mortgage or put food on the table. But that's ok, unemployed people are always happier knowing some Capitalist is not taking advantage of them, aren't they. Jeremy Corbyn is appealing to you more an more isn't he? As a matter of interest why would Dyson and Bamford be any different post Brexit? By the way! Welcome back! We have missed you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orac Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Has it really never occurred to you why all the Komodo Cons are so keen to leave? Low corporation tax Relaxed animal welfare standards Relaxed employment regulations Relaxed environment standards Reduced pensions Relaxed building regs Shall I go on? Do you think all these Dyson and Bamford types are philanthropists at heart? Some people need to wake up ....The interesting thing about Dyson was he was all for the EU a few years back argued strongly for us to join the Euro and threatened to move jobs out of the UK to Malaysia if we didn’t sign up for it which he subsequently went through with. The reason for moving the jobs was given some time later as being turned down for planning permission for a factory expansion at Malmesbury by his local authority however no copy of the planning application appears to exist....Sent from my iPad using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert bloggs Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Grouse said: Has it really never occurred to you why all the Komodo Cons are so keen to leave? Low corporation tax Relaxed animal welfare standards Relaxed employment regulations Relaxed environment standards Reduced pensions Relaxed building regs Shall I go on? Do you think all these Dyson and Bamford types are philanthropists at heart? Some people need to wake up .... Thought you had stopped posting Grouse , 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talahtnut Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 16 hours ago, Grouse said: Has it really never occurred to you why all the Komodo Cons are so keen to leave? Low corporation tax Relaxed animal welfare standards Relaxed employment regulations Relaxed environment standards Reduced pensions Relaxed building regs Shall I go on? Do you think all these Dyson and Bamford types are philanthropists at heart? Some people need to wake up .... Good morning Grouse, Always a pleasure. Did you know, we already have most of the items on your list coupled with a dollop of austerity. I would imagine the benefits of 'remaining' would go to big corporations, BBC, News media, Banksters, and government. Whilst small businesses, and workers suffer from VAT on fuel and thing like stupid vegetable regulations.etc. 'Tough Talk' is an example of media hype..negotiations are easier when there is good will on both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post baansgr Posted November 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2017 4 hours ago, Grouse said: Has it really never occurred to you why all the Komodo Cons are so keen to leave? Low corporation tax Relaxed animal welfare standards Relaxed employment regulations Relaxed environment standards Reduced pensions Relaxed building regs Shall I go on? Do you think all these Dyson and Bamford types are philanthropists at heart? Some people need to wake up .... So the State Pension will be reduced in March 2019 when the UK leaves the EU. That's news to me 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aright Posted November 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, baansgr said: So the State Pension will be reduced in March 2019 when the UK leaves the EU. That's news to me Don't worry. In a fit of pique the battery hens have been laying hard boiled fear since June last year. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 6 hours ago, Grouse said: Reduced pensions How would this be done? I've seen proposals about extending the age for new pensioners vs. additional taxes; and reduction of benefits through a devaluing securities base (stock-based pension distribution) that would affect current and future pensions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomacht8 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 32 minutes ago, Srikcir said: How would this be done? I've seen proposals about extending the age for new pensioners vs. additional taxes; and reduction of benefits through a devaluing securities base (stock-based pension distribution) that would affect current and future pensions. However, if the percentage increase in pensions is below the rate of inflation, there will be a real reduction in pensions or a real loss of income. If the pension recipient lives abroad, e.g. Thailand still has the effect of exchange rates and the corresponding rate of inflation in the country of residence.Many retirees who live in Thailand know these effects.For many years, there has been a loss of purchasing power by European pensioners in Thailand. Whether this trend is reversed by Brexit now, everyone can think for themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adammike Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 3 hours ago, baansgr said: So the State Pension will be reduced in March 2019 when the UK leaves the EU. That's news to me Not reduced but no increases " frozen" be afraid very afraid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockingrobin Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Srikcir said: How would this be done? I've seen proposals about extending the age for new pensioners vs. additional taxes; and reduction of benefits through a devaluing securities base (stock-based pension distribution) that would affect current and future pensions. I have seen suggestions that the UK state pension should be means tested 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Well well, who would have thought it. Theresa May faces fresh allegations of “rigging Parliament” over a near-unprecedented move to prevent MPs amending the Budget. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-rigging-parliament-budget-amendments-block-mps-latest-a8079056.html?S2ref=1532332 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aright Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 8 minutes ago, rockingrobin said: I have seen suggestions that the UK state pension should be means tested Where? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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