2 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

When you join a club you help to set the rules and then should be expected to abide by them! Unfortunately when we come crawling back and begging to be let back in, we will be in a far weaker position.

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We were taken into a 'club' by a politician compromised by a rather specialist 'hobby' that he enjoyed. More politicians with the same 'hobby' were promoted to power in succeeding governments, who took us further into the EU abomination. It's now left to people of moral fortitude to pick up the pieces and get us out of said abomination. I can't see any point in having an extra tier of government. Can you? The globalists can. But they're not doing it for your benefit. Or mine.

 
 
We were taken into a 'club' by a politician compromised by a rather specialist 'hobby' that he enjoyed. More politicians with the same 'hobby' were promoted to power in succeeding governments, who took us further into the EU abomination. It's now left to people of moral fortitude to pick up the pieces and get us out of said abomination. I can't see any point in having an extra tier of government. Can you? The globalists can. But they're not doing it for your benefit. Or mine.

"Moral fortitude"? Who on earth are you referring to? It is quite apparent that there will no benefit to isolating ourselves and eventually the majority will realise this. The decision to leave can, should and in my view, will be reversed.

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15 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

"Moral fortitude"? Who on earth are you referring to? It is quite apparent that there will no benefit to isolating ourselves and eventually the majority will realise this. The decision to leave can, should and in my view, will be reversed.

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You didn't answer my question: what is the purpose of creating an extra tier of government? And when you've answered that, ask yourself: where did this extra tier of government come from? Who was/is driving it, and why? Did you fail to notice that treaties and legislations have, over the last forty years, been bullied into existence? That pro-EU politicians keep popping up out of nowhere to take positions of leadership? Macron, where was he two years ago? Keir Starmer was an Establishment lawyer running the CPS, bending difficult cases the Establishment's way. Would you trust these people as far as you could throw them?

Edited December 11, 20178 yr by Khun Han

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

"Moral fortitude"? Who on earth are you referring to? It is quite apparent that there will no benefit to isolating ourselves and eventually the majority will realise this. The decision to leave can, should and in my view, will be reversed.

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So its lucky your view doesnt count .

19 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

You didn't answer my question: what is the purpose of creating an extra tier of government? And when you've answered that, ask yourself: where did this extra tier of government come from? Who was/is driving it, and why? Did you fail to notice that treaties and legislations have, over the last forty years, been bullied into existence? That pro-EU politicians keep popping up out of nowhere to take positions of leadership? Macron, where was he two years ago? Keir Starmer was an Establishment lawyer running the CPS, bending difficult cases the Establishment's way. Would you trust these people as far as you could throw them?

I would say the purpose of being a member of the EU is the economic and social benefits that are gained, the freedom to work/live anywhere in the EU and when it is pursued to its ultimate conclusion which would be a United States of Europe, the global influence and power to match or counter other world super powers.   Pro-EU politicians are democratically elected, as is the European Parliament.   I would certainly trust Macron more than I would anyone on the Brexit side.  

11 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

So its lucky your view doesnt count .

Well, I do get a vote , so that counts!

Edited December 11, 20178 yr by brewsterbudgen

39 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Well, I do get a vote , so it does count!

yup ,a voice in the wilderness , (dont take any notice of me ,sarcasm is just one of my many talents lol)

10 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I would say the purpose of being a member of the EU is the economic and social benefits that are gained, the freedom to work/live anywhere in the EU and when it is pursued to its ultimate conclusion which would be a United States of Europe, the global influence and power to match or counter other world super powers.   Pro-EU politicians are democratically elected, as is the European Parliament.   I would certainly trust Macron more than I would anyone on the Brexit side.  

 

Thankyou for confirming your position as a supporter of the proposed European super state. I respect honesty.

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

We were on t' committee 

Rules are not valid unless voted on by 'members' at an annual general meeting. So what you are saying is that the committee are making rules up and not consulting their members, is that not illegal?

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

We were on t' committee 

Which is routinely ignored by t'c'mission.

9 hours ago, vogie said:

Rules are not valid unless voted on by 'members' at an annual general meeting. So what you are saying is that the committee are making rules up and not consulting their members, is that not illegal?

Aye, should've 'ad ballot. 

24 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Aye, should've 'ad ballot. 

I would love to see Juncker and the rest of the EU comedians take their act to Barnsley Mens Working Mens Club.

Edited December 11, 20178 yr by vogie

43 minutes ago, vogie said:

I would love to see Juncker and the rest of the EU comedians take their act to Barnsley Mens Working Mens Club.

Idle WMC would be more appropriate 

 

'ang on... tha what?... oh, ah....pies 'av come!

7 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Idle WMC would be more appropriate 

 

'ang on... tha what?... oh, ah....pies 'av come!

It may have been the Idle WMC where I won the meat raffle in 1973 whilst on leave with a mate from Idle.

56 minutes ago, vogie said:

I would love to see Juncker and the rest of the EU comedians take their act to Barnsley Mens Working Mens Club.

 

They are not good enough to join "The Comedians"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Comedians_(1971_TV_series)

 

They would have been booed off the the stage by the likes of Bernard Manning, Colin Crompton, Charlie Williams, Frank Carson et al.

If ever a sequel is made to Dad's Army or Upstairs Downstairs, this thread's brexiteers  should have no problem getting lead roles.

Boris and Ree-Smugg would fit in perfectly in The Remake of The Silly Olympics.

Farage could apply for "Some mothers (countries) do 'ave 'em".

 

To get back on topic. Now that we have reached first base in the exit process ,we now have an opportunity, which we haven't had for the last 40 years, to negotiate trade agreements with the world outside the EU. I read that the USA has walked away from the EU proposed Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership. At the moment there are unfriendly trade barriers between the UK and the USA as a result of European commercial interests. I feel a Trade Agreement with the USA should be a priority for Global Britain. One of the complaints  of the USA is the difficulty getting their cheaper farmed goods into the EU. This has more to do with the EU farm lobby than any danger to our health.  The EU has repeatedly lost WTO cases because it cannot prove that its regulations are based on sound science or that they make consumers any safer.  

Edited December 11, 20178 yr by aright

UPDATE! Must read!

 

Boris will feature in the sequel of "On the Buses".

Here's a sneak preview:

 

 

23 hours ago, SheungWan said:

What goes on in Hard Brexiteer minds.

 

22 hours ago, Jip99 said:

That is something that YOU will never comprehend....

Brexiteer signals from Planet Obtuse fading away.

Edited December 11, 20178 yr by SheungWan

23 hours ago, SheungWan said:

 

Brexiteer signals from Planet Obtuse fading away.

Not fading away..remainers are just using short focal length, rose tinted, EU regulation glasses..unable to see the debt machine.

Some personal attacks on other members have been removed also quoted replies

On 12/11/2017 at 9:50 AM, Khun Han said:

We were taken into a 'club' by a politician compromised by a rather specialist 'hobby' that he enjoyed. More politicians with the same 'hobby' were promoted to power in succeeding governments, who took us further into the EU abomination. It's now left to people of moral fortitude to pick up the pieces and get us out of said abomination. I can't see any point in having an extra tier of government. Can you? The globalists can. But they're not doing it for your benefit. Or mine.

Not so thinly disguised Conspiracy Theory mush.

I see Foreign Direct Investment is picking up: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/12/12/french-shopping-centre-giant-unibail-rodamco-swallows-westfield/

 

So what's left? Ah yes, following the highly successful sale of Saddleback last year, I understand from informed sources that the A129 is up for sale at a very reasonable price. 

Wasn't Westfield already owned by an Australian company?

6 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

Wasn't Westfield already owned by an Australian company?

An Australia based company that controls its UK and European (int.)assets. But it's still UK based assets where the profits are repatriated overseas, last week to Australia, this week to Europe, sadly not to remain in the UK.

 

How about the B1052, interested?

So, not new FDI, and not brexit-related. But, whilst we're offtopic, it might well have been a major factor in the merger decision between Hammerson and Intu.

I'm sorry to be so late on my reading today but I've been on the road(s) all day! 

 

Here's one on Brexit related job losses, minimum 10,000 jobs loss, top end seems to be around 75,000 jobs: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-latest-news-uk-city-job-losses-move-eu-frankfurt-paris-luxembourg-banks-europe-sam-woods-a8104176.html

This one is tricky, it's the FT hence the conclusions are subtle, but there are pictures, at least there's no sarcasm so there's a relief, for some (oops, was that sarcasm): https://www.ft.com/content/30a358ac-dda6-11e7-8f9f-de1c2175f5ce

 

The serious point about the above is financial services and freedom of movement, points we ALL need to heed well.

Edited December 12, 20178 yr by simoh1490

Posts containing insulting comments directed at other member have been removed as well as the replies. 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-david-davis-talks-european-council-undermining-good-faith-incompetent-guy-verhofstadt-a8105311.html

 

Davis has to go; he's just not British