Off his message again: Trump vows to sue all female accusers

[Strange]

28 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

So, let me get this straight. The activity is not evil but it disqualifies a prostitute from being moral?

 

What do you want? You want me to say she is just a good little business girl? Want me to ignore her history and profession and just listen to her story like its fact? You want me to ignore the fact that days before she went "Public" with the Trump accusation, she launched an online sex store where she herself stars in everything and sells "Jessica Drake" brand sex toys and lubricants? You want me to completely ignore the timing and choice of lawyer? You want me to truly believe that there are no other forces at play here and she is coming out solely based on the fact that she wants to "Stand in Solidarity"? You want me to believe that she is not being an opportunist and exploiting the emotions of real victims? 

 

Well I'm not. 

 

This pornstar is an immoral joke of a person exploiting current political/social issues for personal gain. 

[Silurian]

21 minutes ago, Strange said:

 

This pornstar is an immoral joke of a person exploiting current political/social issues for personal gain. 

 

Strange, I think I have the same thought about the Republican Presidential nominee.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Strange said:

 

What do you want? You want me to say she is just a good little business girl? Want me to ignore her history and profession and just listen to her story like its fact? You want me to ignore the fact that days before she went "Public" with the Trump accusation, she launched an online sex store where she herself stars in everything and sells "Jessica Drake" brand sex toys and lubricants? You want me to completely ignore the timing and choice of lawyer? You want me to truly believe that there are no other forces at play here and she is coming out solely based on the fact that she wants to "Stand in Solidarity"? You want me to believe that she is not being an opportunist and exploiting the emotions of real victims? 

 

Well I'm not. 

 

This pornstar is an immoral joke of a person exploiting current political/social issues for personal gain. 

The latter could be true, could also not be true, but you're connecting it to her profession, and after that denying you made that connection.

[Strange]

39 minutes ago, Silurian said:

 

Strange, I think I have the same thought about the Republican Presidential nominee.

 

Well, he is a <deleted> thats for sure, but I would rather vote for a <deleted> if the only other choice is "Hill"

 

The only thing I can hope for with "Hill" is another 4 years of "Obama"

 

Never mind the fact that between AHA and Taxes, the american working class are by far the most burdened. 

[Strange]

8 minutes ago, stevenl said:

The latter could be true, could also not be true, but you're connecting it to her profession, and after that denying you made that connection.

 

Im pretty clear in my intention when writing that post. Dissect it all you want. 

 

I am definitely connecting it to her profession. As well as everything else thats painting the picture of exploitation for personal gain. 

 

You guys can choose to see what you want, but I'm not. 

[Strange]

21 minutes ago, stevenl said:

The latter could be true, could also not be true, but you're connecting it to her profession, and after that denying you made that connection.

 

 

Edited October 25, 2016 by Strange

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, Strange said:

 

 

Which has nothing to do with my post.

[Strange]

Just now, stevenl said:

Which has nothing to do with my post.

 

Welp, ok then. I mean I don't really understand what you are getting at, but ok.  

 

A lot of you guys want it to be like "Her profession has nothing to do with it!!" 

 

It clearly does. 

 

[stevenl]

10 minutes ago, Strange said:

 

Welp, ok then. I mean I don't really understand what you are getting at, but ok.  

 

A lot of you guys want it to be like "Her profession has nothing to do with it!!" 

 

It clearly does. 

 

Ah, so you do get it.

[Strange]

Just now, stevenl said:

Ah, so you do get it.

 

So her profession has nothing to do with it? 

Like hell. 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Strange said:

 

Well, he is a <deleted> thats for sure, but I would rather vote for a <deleted> if the only other choice is "Hill"

 

The only thing I can hope for with "Hill" is another 4 years of "Obama"

 

Never mind the fact that between AHA and Taxes, the american working class are by far the most burdened. 

 

"The only thing I can hope for with "Hill" is another 4 years of "Obama""

 

That could very well be true. Probably not exactly the same, but fair enough.

Guess it comes down to how bad one considers things went during Obama's double watch (or better, how they went compared to the former state of nation). Even if the answer is that Obama did not do such a great job, the question is if it's worth risking a Trump presidency instead. Some would argue that the devil you know is a safer choice.

 

Not among those thinking HRC would make a great president. But she will probably not rock the boat, and keep the status quo on most things (yes, when push comes to shove, I think even SCOTUS choices will be somewhat of a compromise). The potential positive in this, again IMO, is that it would allow both parties to address their respective extremes, hopefully bringing them into the fold.

[Bob9]

Time spent by the US MSM on Trump accusers' latest unproven allegations of groping and inappropriate comments, versus time spent on Wikipedia's latest proven accurate stories on Clinton and DNC corruption and unethical practices.  Guess which one is over 10 times the other one??  IMO that says it all - in the last weeks leading up to the POTUS election, the MSM are more concerned about inappropriate language than corruption.  I would rather elect someone who occasionally says something that is offensive, rather than someone who is always corrupt - and IMO anyone who thinks otherwise needs to rethink things through. Or admit they are a card carrying member of the Democrats and therefore their views are irrelevant because they are not considered.

[Morch]

7 minutes ago, Bob9 said:

Time spent by the US MSM on Trump accusers' latest unproven allegations of groping and inappropriate comments, versus time spent on Wikipedia's latest proven accurate stories on Clinton and DNC corruption and unethical practices.  Guess which one is over 10 times the other one??  IMO that says it all - in the last weeks leading up to the POTUS election, the MSM are more concerned about inappropriate language than corruption.  I would rather elect someone who occasionally says something that is offensive, rather than someone who is always corrupt - and IMO anyone who thinks otherwise needs to rethink things through. Or admit they are a card carrying member of the Democrats and therefore their views are irrelevant because they are not considered.

 

"I would rather elect someone who occasionally says something that is offensive, rather than someone who is always corrupt - and IMO anyone who thinks otherwise needs to rethink things through."

 

Anyone who sees Trump as not corrupt, need to rethink things through.

That pretty much leaves the question of how occasional is  "occasionally".

[Strange]

54 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

"The only thing I can hope for with "Hill" is another 4 years of "Obama""

 

That could very well be true. Probably not exactly the same, but fair enough.

Guess it comes down to how bad one considers things went during Obama's double watch (or better, how they went compared to the former state of nation). Even if the answer is that Obama did not do such a great job, the question is if it's worth risking a Trump presidency instead. Some would argue that the devil you know is a safer choice.

 

Not among those thinking HRC would make a great president. But she will probably not rock the boat, and keep the status quo on most things (yes, when push comes to shove, I think even SCOTUS choices will be somewhat of a compromise). The potential positive in this, again IMO, is that it would allow both parties to address their respective extremes, hopefully bringing them into the fold.

 

Obama is a do-nothing president with the exception of the AHA. "Vote For Change" my ass. Nothing changed. Just got more division within the people and more expensive healthcare insurance. 

 

The AHA literally tripled my insurance rates. When Im in thailand, I STILL have to contribute to it via an EXTRA tax for forgoing insurance based on the fact that I will not use it. 

 

I want some change. I don't want 4 more years of BS posturing. 

[Grouse]

Trump reminds me of Mr Equator from Monty Python!

 

 

[Tawan Dok Krating Daeng]

7 hours ago, Strange said:

 

What do you want? You want me to say she is just a good little business girl? Want me to ignore her history and profession and just listen to her story like its fact? You want me to ignore the fact that days before she went "Public" with the Trump accusation, she launched an online sex store where she herself stars in everything and sells "Jessica Drake" brand sex toys and lubricants? You want me to completely ignore the timing and choice of lawyer? You want me to truly believe that there are no other forces at play here and she is coming out solely based on the fact that she wants to "Stand in Solidarity"? You want me to believe that she is not being an opportunist and exploiting the emotions of real victims? 

 

Well I'm not. 

 

This pornstar is an immoral joke of a person exploiting current political/social issues for personal gain. 

 

As much as you wish it were so, this thread is not about you.

 

Men who think that sex workers can be assaulted or cannot complain about sexual assault because they are sex workers are not men. They are selfish little boys.

[Tawan Dok Krating Daeng]

4 hours ago, Bob9 said:

Time spent by the US MSM on Trump accusers' latest unproven allegations of groping and inappropriate comments, versus time spent on Wikipedia's latest proven accurate stories on Clinton and DNC corruption and unethical practices.  Guess which one is over 10 times the other one??  IMO that says it all - in the last weeks leading up to the POTUS election, the MSM are more concerned about inappropriate language than corruption.  I would rather elect someone who occasionally says something that is offensive, rather than someone who is always corrupt - and IMO anyone who thinks otherwise needs to rethink things through. Or admit they are a card carrying member of the Democrats and therefore their views are irrelevant because they are not considered.

 

There is nothing to be ashamed about being a card carrying member of the Democrat party. Many tens of millions of Americans are. These Americans most certainly have 'considered' their views and have no need of some reactionary nativist Brit to tell them what to think.

 

Your comment on numbers is, as usual, completely bogus and unsupported. You comments on American media are grossly ignorant.

[Morch]

8 hours ago, Strange said:

 

Obama is a do-nothing president with the exception of the AHA. "Vote For Change" my ass. Nothing changed. Just got more division within the people and more expensive healthcare insurance. 

 

The AHA literally tripled my insurance rates. When Im in thailand, I STILL have to contribute to it via an EXTRA tax for forgoing insurance based on the fact that I will not use it. 

 

I want some change. I don't want 4 more years of BS posturing. 

 

As mentioned, Obama's policies were (to a degree, at least) a product of having to deal with Bush's legacy (and the Republican majority in Congress and Senate).

 

I dunno that Obama's health care solutions were the best way to deal with the situation, and guess that they effected different people in different ways. Fair enough if that's a reason to reject a Democrat candidate, but not exactly seeing that Trump offers great alternatives.

 

As for divisiveness - agree partisan and sectarian divisions badly hurt the US. Probably more than many other things done or not done by the administration. I just don't see it as a one way issue, not as if the GOP (and further,  Tea Party etc.) are blameless in this. Once again, and I think we can agree on that, Trump is not a prime candidate for healing such rifts, more likely the opposite.

 

Many in the US crave change, even if they want different things changed. Guess I do not see the current situation as so dire as to merit voting for a candidate almost certain to make many issues plaguing the US, even worse.

Edited October 26, 2016 by Morch

[boomerangutang]

14 hours ago, Strange said:

 

What do you want? You want me to say she is just a good little business girl? Want me to ignore her history and profession and just listen to her story like its fact? You want me to ignore the fact that days before she went "Public" with the Trump accusation, she launched an online sex store where she herself stars in everything and sells "Jessica Drake" brand sex toys and lubricants? You want me to completely ignore the timing and choice of lawyer? You want me to truly believe that there are no other forces at play here and she is coming out solely based on the fact that she wants to "Stand in Solidarity"? You want me to believe that she is not being an opportunist and exploiting the emotions of real victims? Well I'm not. 

This pornstar is an immoral joke of a person exploiting current political/social issues for personal gain. 

 

Trump fans can put her down because she worked in the sex biz, but sensible people aren't swayed by that soggy argument. And it's not just the one woman, it's accusations by a dozen women - representing various professions.

 

Trump fans are trying to explain-away Trump's perversion in such desperate ways that it would be funny - were it not serious at its root.   Most Americans don't want a pervert as president.  Decent character is important in a leader.  Decadence is ok for Liberace, but a president should be at least somewhat moral.  At least Liberace was true-blue to his boyfriend, at any given time.  Trump couldn't be true-blue to a new wife for five minutes - particularly if he visited a sheep farm.   

[Strange]

Just now, boomerangutang said:

 

Trump fans can put her down because she worked in the sex biz, but sensible people aren't swayed by that soggy argument. And it's not just the one woman, it's accusations by a dozen women - representing various professions.

 

Trump fans are trying to explain-away Trump's perversion in such desperate ways that it would be funny - were it not serious at its root.   Most Americans don't want a pervert as president.  Decent character is important in a leader.  Decadence is ok for Liberace, but a president should be at least somewhat moral.  At least Liberace was true-blue to his boyfriend, at any given time.  Trump couldn't be true-blue to a new wife for five minutes - particularly if he visited a sheep farm.   

Deflection. 

 

Im specifically talking about the pornstar in the OP. 

 

I can go to just about any news website that still allows comments on their site and annihilate your statement about "Sensible People" and a vast majority don't take the pornstars case seriously at all. There is nobody to blame but herself. 

[Prbkk]

The Trump apartment decor looks Liberace inspired. One suspects Hillary is more Laura Ashley.

[Silurian]

16 minutes ago, Prbkk said:

The Trump apartment decor looks Liberace inspired. One suspects Hillary is more Laura Ashley.

 

Hmmm, I always pictured Hillary more of a Martha Stewart Living style-wise.

 

[Chicog]

Gingrich totally lost the plot on Kelly this morning, she must have been bleeding from her wherever.

At the end of the interview, she said "You can go and work on your anger issues now".

He looked furious.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, Strange said:

 

Well, he is a <deleted> thats for sure, but I would rather vote for a <deleted> if the only other choice is "Hill"

 

The only thing I can hope for with "Hill" is another 4 years of "Obama"

 

Never mind the fact that between AHA and Taxes, the american working class are by far the most burdened. 

At least they weren't able to put the Obamacare cost rises off till after the election. If Trump and his surrogates can't make the case that working Americans will be really worse off if Obamacare continues they deserve to lose.

Even Bill Clinton has come out against the rises.

 

Obama claims that the costs would have risen more under the pre Obamacare situation, but some premiums are rising over 100%, so really?

[Strange]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

At least they weren't able to put the Obamacare cost rises off till after the election. If Trump and his surrogates can't make the case that working Americans will be really worse off if Obamacare continues they deserve to lose.

Even Bill Clinton has come out against the rises.

 

Obama claims that the costs would have risen more under the pre Obamacare situation, but some premiums are rising over 100%, so really?

 

Yeah. Really. You are clearly uninformed. There is another thread here:

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Chicog said:

Gingrich totally lost the plot on Kelly this morning, she must have been bleeding from her wherever.

At the end of the interview, she said "You can go and work on your anger issues now".

He looked furious.

 

I saw that. Kelly is so obviously a Trojan horse, and I think he did well to not say more than he did. It is significant that she REFUSED to say Bill Clinton is possibly a sexual predator when she just said that about Trump. Her answer was a cop out. That is why Gingrich got mad, as would I have.

[Strange]

11 hours ago, Tawan Dok Krating Daeng said:

 

As much as you wish it were so, this thread is not about you.

 

Men who think that sex workers can be assaulted or cannot complain about sexual assault because they are sex workers are not men. They are selfish little boys.

 

I can't help myself on this one. 

 

Its not about you either. As much as you feel that your cause requires you to try and silence me, its never going to happen. 

 

Please, quote me anywhere saying that its ok for a sex worker to be assaulted. Quote me anywhere saying its ok for anyone to be assaulted. This pornstar has nothing but herself to blame for being judged. 

 

Im 100% judging her. 

[boomerangutang]

19 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

At least they weren't able to put the Obamacare cost rises off till after the election. If Trump and his surrogates can't make the case that working Americans will be really worse off if Obamacare continues they deserve to lose.

Even Bill Clinton has come out against the rises.

 

Obama claims that the costs would have risen more under the pre Obamacare situation, but some premiums are rising over 100%, so really?

 

I don't blame Obama for rising health care costs.  The #1 reason is the greedy health care industry.  Similarly, for Big Pharma.

 

Take one of a million items:  Saline solution (salt water).  It costs about $1 to produce and bag.  A hospital can charge $700 for the same 1 liter bag.   When a person gets a bill for a medical procedure (particularly if there's an overnight stay involved) ....is that person going to look at the items one by one and contest it?   He/she might do so, if they were paying for it out of pocket.  But if insurance (private or public) is paying, the patient will just go with it.   I trust people like Bernie or Warren to try to bring a modicum of sanity to the rip-off medical thieves.  Secondarily, perhaps HRC would do some good.  On the other end of the spectrum, Trump and his fellow Republicans wouldn't do anything to try and bring down costs.  They're in bed with Big Medical, Big Pharma, and insurance companies.   That's why they like a pay-as-you-go system which only the rich can afford.

 

        Another mega factor is Americans themselves.  They eat awful food.  Most drink alcohol.  Few exercise.  Most live in smoggy cities.  Granted, the same could be said for most people ww. but Americans are among the top 10 re; being grossly fat and out-of-shape.    Medical community and Big Pharma don't mind, because it fattens their wallets.   And then there are the millions who are mentally messed-up, .....that's a whole added topic.

 

 

[Berkshire]

On 10/24/2016 at 4:15 PM, Strange said:

 

The point is, we don't know anything. You are stating guilt from the sidelines. If they are lying, that is defamation and not protected under the 1st amendment. If I was Trump and I didn't do anything then I would sue like a mofo too. Most likely this shit will get drug out and nothing will come of it. Its their word against his without evidence.

 

Yeah, that's what Trump does, he threatens to sue.  But even when he does go through with it, the guy's never won a libel suit.  I wonder why?

 

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/10/donald-trump-has-never-won-a-libel-case

 

 

[Berkshire]

3 hours ago, Chicog said:

Gingrich totally lost the plot on Kelly this morning, she must have been bleeding from her wherever.

At the end of the interview, she said "You can go and work on your anger issues now".

He looked furious.

 

 

I saw that.  Gingrich is getting pathetic.  Same with Giuliani.  These guys used to be well respected leaders.  Now, they're just Trump's lapdogs.  And he's got them trained to say the dumbest things.