rooster59 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Australia plans to ban asylum seekers from ever visiting ROD McGUIRK, Associated Press CANBERRA, Australia (AP) — Australia on Sunday announced plans to ratchet up its tough policy against refugees by banning any asylum seeker who attempts to reach its shores by boat from ever visiting the country. A previous government introduced a policy on July 19, 2013, banning refugees who arrive by boat from Indonesian ports after that date from ever being resettled in Australia. Under legislation to be introduced to Parliament next week, thousands of asylum seekers who have returned to their homelands in the Middle East, Africa and Asia would be banned for life from ever traveling to Australia as tourists, to do business or as an Australian's spouse, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said. "You need the clearest of clear messages," Turnbull told reporters. "This is a battle of will between the Australian people, represented by their government, and these criminal gangs of people smugglers. You should not under estimate the scale of the threat," he added. Australia has paid the poor Pacific nations of Nauru and Papua New Guinea to keep asylum seekers in camps since the 2013 policy came into force. The new policy would apply to all asylum seekers who have attempted to reach Australia since July 19, 2013. Immigration Minister Peter Dutton said asylum seeker children would be exempt from the visa ban and he would have discretion to make exceptions for adults in cases where to do so was in the public interest. Daniel Webb, director of legal advocacy at the Human Rights Law Center, said the change would permanently separate families and "entrench the limbo" for asylum seekers and refugees on Nauru and Papua New Guinea. More than 51,000 asylum seekers arrived in Australian waters by boat during the six years the former center-left Labor Party government was in power from 2007 until 2013. More than 20,000 arrived in 2013. No boat smuggling operation has succeeded in delivering asylum seekers to Australia since July 2014 under Turnbull's conservative government. But human rights groups have accused Australia of abrogating its responsibilities to refugees as a signatory to the United Nations Refugee Convention. Labor spokesman Brendan O'Conner said the opposition would have to read the legislation before deciding whether it would support it in the Senate where the government does not hold a majority of seats. "With any legislation you want to look at it, see whether in fact it is fair and reasonable and is consistent with our own commitments internationally," O'Connor told Sky News Television. -- © Associated Press 2016-10-30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHolmesJr Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 The clearest of clear messages....love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaidam Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Good news, but I totally fail to understand how Australia ever could be in a position to get "asylum seekers" and "refugees" in the first place. They would have to pass through so many "safe countries" including Malaysia and Indonesia and Bangladesh and Pakistan that also share the same ideology with the "refugees". I have never heard any explanation for this. Navigating the Arafura sea on leaky boats is not as safe as living in Malay or Indo - can it all be about the free money on offer once they reach Oz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhd Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 time to move to australia :) can farang buy land there ? :) lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 The Oz government is trying to enact legislation that will permanently ban, even a visitor visa, including those assessed as genuine refugees who are now the majority held on Naura and Manus Islands. Whilst some have accepted resettlement on the islands, the majority have not due to hostility of the local population (even white expats have to live in secure compounds in PNG) the genuine refugees are forced to live in limbo whilst they wait years, possible decades, to be resettled in a third party country at the cost of AUD500k per person per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 19 minutes ago, simple1 said: The Oz government is trying to enact legislation that will permanently ban, even a visitor visa, including those assessed as genuine refugees who are now the majority held on Naura and Manus Islands. Whilst some have accepted resettlement on the islands, the majority have not due to hostility of the local population (even white expats have to live in secure compounds in PNG) the genuine refugees are forced to live in limbo whilst they wait years, possible decades, to be resettled in a third party country at the cost of AUD500k per person per year. If you disregard the policy of paying 500k of Australian taxpayers money to resettle these economic migrants. It would seem the Auatralians have got it right. Common sense rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Just now, nontabury said: If you disregard the policy of paying 500k of Australian taxpayers money to resettle these economic migrants. It would seem the Auatralians have got it right. Common sense rules. The large majority of those remaining have been assessed a genuine refugees. The cost is AUD500k per year for positively assessed refugees, plus the incentives from aid (read bribes) given to the PNG & Naura governments, not a one off fee to transfer back economic refugees to places such as Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zorro1 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Ozi Ozi Ozi! Go you good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Could someone please copy this to the UK government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 1 hour ago, adhd said: time to move to australia :) can farang buy land there ? :) lol If your Chinese you go to the head of the queue and they give you a valet to hold your big back of yuan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nudgerman Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Listen Up Great Britain and Europe .......... Oh too late!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getreal Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 the last thing we want in our great country is a whole lot of these uninvited expats showing up. They will sit around in drinking in brothels all day and end up marrying our young prostitutes. They will start an expat forum Aussievisa and instead of contibuting to the country will sit around reading about every little petty crime and complaining about Aussieness all day. They wont even bother to learn our language and.will get angry when we misinterpret their hand signals and.dont do things how they want it and then call US stupid. They will complain and moan about filling out a simple form every three months and will constantly tell us that their country does everything better. They will want special rights and expect the taxpayer to foot the bill so it can be more back home. despite our hospitality they will complain constantly about us all day and wont try to assimilate. Australia is for Aussies. Well for the ones that got sent here about 240 years ago. The other ones that have been here for.40,000 years dont count so much, but we graciously have given them the right to vote now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prbkk Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 3 hours ago, jaidam said: Good news, but I totally fail to understand how Australia ever could be in a position to get "asylum seekers" and "refugees" in the first place. They would have to pass through so many "safe countries" including Malaysia and Indonesia and Bangladesh and Pakistan that also share the same ideology with the "refugees". I have never heard any explanation for this. Navigating the Arafura sea on leaky boats is not as safe as living in Malay or Indo - can it all be about the free money on offer once they reach Oz? Because they do so with the evil connivance of Indonesia: the rotten-to-the-core military, police, officials. Unspeakable human trash profiteering on the misery and desperation of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishingforsquid Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Simple 1, the people still on Nauru and Manus Island have not been assessed as refugees. There have been no unauthorised arrivals for over three years into Australia. What you are writing is not correct. Who is up in arms about the situation in the International community? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belzybob Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 The bleeding hearts still insist on calling people refugees when most are actually economic migrants. A refugee ceases to be one once they have left the place/country of danger. If they decide to travel further to a country of choice, then they are prospective migrants and should apply for a visa just like anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) 53 minutes ago, getreal said: the last thing we want in our great country is a whole lot of these uninvited expats showing up. They will sit around in drinking in brothels all day and end up marrying our young prostitutes. They will start an expat forum Aussievisa and instead of contibuting to the country will sit around reading about every little petty crime and complaining about Aussieness all day. They wont even bother to learn our language and.will get angry when we misinterpret their hand signals and.dont do things how they want it and then call US stupid. They will complain and moan about filling out a simple form every three months and will constantly tell us that their country does everything better. They will want special rights and expect the taxpayer to foot the bill so it can be more back home. despite our hospitality they will complain constantly about us all day and wont try to assimilate. Australia is for Aussies. Well for the ones that got sent here about 240 years ago. The other ones that have been here for.40,000 years dont count so much, but we graciously have given them the right to vote now. I take it your a dinky die digger then, warts and all..........you also forgot to add, and not wanting to lose face 555 Edited October 30, 2016 by 4MyEgo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4UCorsair Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, jaidam said: Good news, but I totally fail to understand how Australia could be in a position to get "asylum seekers" and "refugees" in the first place. They would have to pass through so many "safe countries" including Malaysia and Indonesia and Bangladesh and Pakistan that also share the same ideology with the "refugees". I have never heard any explanation for this. Navigating the Arafura sea on leaky boats is not as safe as living in Malay or Indo - can it all be about the free money on offer once they reach Oz? Your last para Is right on the money, and those ftom middle eastern countries have made an art form of It. Australia has enough problems without Introducing more. The Conservatives have balls, the left, labor and greens are as weak as pi$$. Edited October 30, 2016 by F4UCorsair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 52 minutes ago, fishingforsquid said: Simple 1, the people still on Nauru and Manus Island have not been assessed as refugees. There have been no unauthorised arrivals for over three years into Australia. What you are writing is not correct. Who is up in arms about the situation in the International community? You have access to online Oz media and government reports provided in the public domain, in a few minutes research you will know your assertion is false. Same applies to your second question, do some research, won't take long to have some details. However, to assist in pointing you in the right direction... Most people sent to Manus Island are genuine refugees, new figures show http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/most-people-sent-to-manus-island-are-genuine-refugees-new-figures-show-20160630-gpv5ns.html In the meantime if you want some additional facts you will see the largest number by way of nationality held in immigration detention as of 08/2016 were from New Zealand. https://www.border.gov.au/ReportsandPublications/Documents/statistics/immigration-detention-statistics-31-aug-2016.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4UCorsair Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 1 hour ago, fishingforsquid said: Simple 1, the people still on Nauru and Manus Island have not been assessed as refugees. There have been no unauthorised arrivals for over three years into Australia. What you are writing is not correct. Who is up in arms about the situation in the International community? Not sure that's correct. TV news says 3000 In detention and 1500 have been assessed as genuine refugees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 A inflammatory comment has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPI Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 4 hours ago, adhd said: time to move to australia :) can farang buy land there ? :) lol You can buy and sell houses and land there, own a car, own a boat and engage in any type of business, you can even legally use a prostitute there or be one if the inclination takes you that way! But remember, if it's not permitted, it's forbidden! It's nowhere near as free as Thailand (in certain respects) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangon04 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 " No boat smuggling operation has succeeded in delivering asylum seekers to Australia since July 2014 under Turnbull's conservative government. " well that is quite an impressive claim......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soc Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 And thats the way we want to keep it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 2 hours ago, simple1 said: You have access to online Oz media and government reports provided in the public domain, in a few minutes research you will know your assertion is false. Same applies to your second question, do some research, won't take long to have some details. However, to assist in pointing you in the right direction... Most people sent to Manus Island are genuine refugees, new figures show http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/most-people-sent-to-manus-island-are-genuine-refugees-new-figures-show-20160630-gpv5ns.html In the meantime if you want some additional facts you will see the largest number by way of nationality held in immigration detention as of 08/2016 were from New Zealand. https://www.border.gov.au/ReportsandPublications/Documents/statistics/immigration-detention-statistics-31-aug-2016.pdf Do these N.Z. 1/ Want to claim,or attempt to claim asylum. 2/ Do they want the Aussies to change their culture. 3/ Do they intend to demand that the Aussies should convert to their religion. 4/ Are they a security risk to Australia. As regards those who are not N.Z. Where do they originate from? How many other countries do they pass by on their way to Australia? If they have passed other countries,why did they not claim asylum in those other countries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 It's a simple question to answer. They don't apply in the other countries because they wouldn't get the hand outs (money) and freebies they (demand) get in Oz. I believe more than 90% of them are economic migrants, not refugees. UK should apply the same rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, nontabury said: Your questions are a waste of my time as you're not interested in factual answers, just others uninformed opinions. Edited October 30, 2016 by simple1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Christmas13 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 7 hours ago, adhd said: time to move to australia :) can farang buy land there ? :) lol Yes except Thais Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Christmas13 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 5 hours ago, getreal said: the last thing we want in our great country is a whole lot of these uninvited expats showing up. They will sit around in drinking in brothels all day and end up marrying our young prostitutes. They will start an expat forum Aussievisa and instead of contibuting to the country will sit around reading about every little petty crime and complaining about Aussieness all day. They wont even bother to learn our language and.will get angry when we misinterpret their hand signals and.dont do things how they want it and then call US stupid. They will complain and moan about filling out a simple form every three months and will constantly tell us that their country does everything better. They will want special rights and expect the taxpayer to foot the bill so it can be more back home. despite our hospitality they will complain constantly about us all day and wont try to assimilate. Australia is for Aussies. Well for the ones that got sent here about 240 years ago. The other ones that have been here for.40,000 years dont count so much, but we graciously have given them the right to vote now. Australia is for Aussies. Well for the ones that got sent here about 240 years ago. The other ones that have been here for.40,000 years dont count so much, but we graciously have given them the right to vote now. That was in 1962 a few years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggles45 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 "A refugee ceases to be one once they have left the place/country of danger. If they decide to travel further to a country of choice, then they are prospective migrants" Not according to the UN and this is the loophole that they use to wait in Indonesia, Malaysia etc for a smuggler boat. Australia is a signatory to this ridiculous rule that allows them to choose when they are "safe" and still keep refugee status. Of course they want to come to Australia, free money and bleeding heart socialists eager to give it away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 2 hours ago, simple1 said: Your questions are a waste of my time as you're not interested in factual answers, just others uninformed opinions. You disapoint me. This is just a cop-out from someone who cannot supply factual answers to support their argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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