From Barack Obama to Donald Trump in eight years

[webfact]

From Barack Obama to Donald Trump in eight years

 

 

WASHINGTON: -- Barack Obama became the first African American to take office in the White House with his election win in 2008. Now Donald Trump is set to occupy the Oval Office.

 

“It’s been a long time coming, but tonight because of what we did on this date in this election at this defining moment change has come to America,” Obama told supporters at a victory rally in Chicago.

 

It was a different theme from the President-elect Donald Trump in his first speech after winning the election.

 

“Now it’s time for America to bind the wounds of division. We have to get together. To all Republicans and Democrats and independents across this nation, I say it is time for us to come together as one united people. It’s time.”

 

Can that happen after such rhetoric from the billionaire businessman who is so diametrically opposed to the politics of Obama? Will his words become law?

 

Take the health insurance law which has has become known as Obamacare. The president signed it off after a battle lasting over a year with Congress to get it on the statue books. What chance of it surviving under the President-elect?

 

“On healthcare, we are going to get rid of Obamacare, repeal it and replace it,” Trump told supporters in August.

 

The Trans-Pacific Partnership – the TPP – an economic partnership of 12 countries including the US and which was negotiated by Obama could also be ditched.

 

“Just imagine how many more automobile jobs will be lost if the TPP is actually approved. It will be catastrophic. That’s why I have announced we will withdraw from the deal before that can ever, ever, ever happen,” declared the President-elect.

 

Then there is climate change. The present incumbant of the Oval Office was behind measures to cut carbon emissions and a supporter of the Paris Accord.

 

“The United States recognizes our role in creating this problem and we embrace our responsibility to help solve it. And I am determined to make sure that American leadership continues to drive international action,” Obama said.

 

In a series of tweets the man who will now lead the US on the international stage has been outspoken on the subject of climate change saying it is, “an expensive hoax”.

 

In one he accused the Chinese of creating it to make American manufacturing non-competitive.

 

There is also a huge chasm between the two leaders on the subject of Muslims in the US. These were words from the president in his weekly address at the start of December last year after the shootings in San Bernadinho.

 

“This weekend our hearts are with the people of San Bernadinho, another American community shattered by unspeakable violence.”

 

Two days later this was the response of Donald Trump.

 

“He refuses to use the term ‘radical’, ‘Islamic’, ‘terrorism’. He refuses to use the term. I don’t even know if he knows what the hell is going on. I really don’t,” he said.

 

Last June Obama questioned if the Republican officials agreed with their nominations stand on Muslims.

 

“We now have proposals from the presumptive Republican nominee for president of the United States to bar all Muslims from immigrating into America. Do Republican officials actually agree with this?”

 

And six months later at a rally the outgoing president also spoke openly of his belief that the man who will succeed him is not up to the job as supporters booed the mention of the then Republican candidate.

 

“Donald Trump … Don’t boo vote. Donald Trump is uniquely unqualified to be president,” he told supporters at a rally.

 

-- © Copyright Euronews 2016-11-11

[NovaBlue05]

60% -plus polled think the direction of the country is on the wrong track so why would they vote to continue that track?. They voted for "Hope & Change" 8 years ago. Then they lost hope and just voted for change.

[RickBradford]

One of the most delicious ironies about this whole business is that Wikileaks shows strong evidence that the DNC rigged the primaries to enable Clinton to squeeze past the doddering socialist Sanders.

 

Then there is a strong argument that Sanders would have beaten Trump in the election, and would now be heading to the White House.

 

Given that, the Democratic Party's corrupt establishment has brought this whole thing down on their own heads, and if that isn't poetic justice, I don't know what is.

[optad]

^^^ Agree a million percent with Rick. This was a gross "entitlement" configuration by democratic leaders. They totally corrupted themselves, the process,  the party and their base. The donald just slammed the door behind them.

 

What a morality tale

[Jingthing]

From brilliant man to dufus clown with the attention span of a toddler.

Talk about a backlash. 

[optad]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

From brilliant man to dufus clown with the attention span of a toddler.

Talk about a backlash. 

You share HC and BO problem JT, which is not seeing the bigger picture. Fundamentally, that is what a Trump election is about. Listening and seeing something else. Bernie saw it. He was listening. They screwed him.

[Diplomatico]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

From brilliant man to dufus clown with the attention span of a toddler.

Talk about a backlash. 

 

  If by that you mean the difference in reading post #4 of this thread and in reading post #5 of this thread, I'd wholeheartedly agree!  

[JHolmesJr]

In all honesty, it remains to be seen if Trump's vision is going to improve things….indeed, whether he can implement even 10% of what he promised.

 

But many people were pissed off that the so called seasoned politicians just talk big, allowing things to get worse, while feathering their nests.

[ClutchClark]

4 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

In all honesty, it remains to be seen if Trump's vision is going to improve things….indeed, whether he can implement even 10% of what he promised.

 

But many people were pissed off that the so called seasoned politicians just talk big, allowing things to get worse, while feathering their nests.

 

Thats it exactly.

 

Republicans had better hear it this time around--their constituency wants a new paradigm. We are sick of the corruption. 

 

Notice to GOP leadership--Paul Ryan is not the change we are looking for. He is just a new young version of what many of us find wrong with our Party.

[daveAustin]

24 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

From brilliant man to dufus clown with the attention span of a toddler.

 

Hey, that sounds just like Jingthing (apart from the 'brilliant' bit)... uh, I mean. 

Edited November 11, 2016 by daveAustin

[NovaBlue05]

JT is consistent !

[maewang99]

very good win for Thailand...  and not just the longer term positive of no yarn forward rule on Thai textiles (Vietnam... TPP no) but something much bigger..... tourism.  any movement on Climate by Hillary would have been hugely negative for an economy that loves tourism... there's a reason why aviation... and shipping..... were totally exempted to get the Paris accord last December signed.  a very simple calculus.  and Trump is much less of a Climate contender for his legacy.. from the gitgo because of what his base was and still will be, even if he isn't himself totally loved by that base.

Edited November 11, 2016 by maewang99

[trainman34014]

3 hours ago, RickBradford said:

One of the most delicious ironies about this whole business is that Wikileaks shows strong evidence that the DNC rigged the primaries to enable Clinton to squeeze past the doddering socialist Sanders.

 

Then there is a strong argument that Sanders would have beaten Trump in the election, and would now be heading to the White House.

 

Given that, the Democratic Party's corrupt establishment has brought this whole thing down on their own heads, and if that isn't poetic justice, I don't know what is.

 

 

Well said that man.....post of the week.

[Thakkar]

Here's more

 

https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656
 

includes one instance of African Americans beating up on a white guy. But the rest is minorities being attacked 

[freebyrd]

As a non-American, it seems that Obama has been despised from Day 1 because he's black. The land of the free is patently still the most racist in the world. You American citizens also expect miracles from your President and that just isn't possible. The old expression of 'The impossible I can do at once, miracles take a little longer' fits well.

 

It will be interesting to see if Trump can achieve anything like he says he can. Words come easily, let's see what the next 6 months bring.

 

'As the Chinese say 'Beware what you wish for'.......

[silent]

2 hours ago, optad said:

You share HC and BO problem JT, which is not seeing the bigger picture. Fundamentally, that is what a Trump election is about. Listening and seeing something else. Bernie saw it. He was listening. They screwed him.

Doesn't it almost seem like it's gone from being the one who "couldn't tell a lie" was the man for the job, to whoever can dig up the most about lies the other told, or might have. It's obvious her biggest mistake was that she didn't choose to chop off Bill's cherry tree and say I won't help you so it couldn't be used against her. Realistically how many successful billionaires haven't been successful partially due to their ability to hide "white lies" and screw a few people while pretending to care. (Save it. I'm just being objective and don't think Hillary was the man for the job either)

 

[hansnl]

In my view, but who am I, after eight years mr Obama, the world has become a much dangerous place to live in.

What will happen under Mr Trump, well, it can't be much worse.

I can only say I wholeheartedly agree with his ideas and stand about islam.

I think most Europeans agree with me on that.

[Morch]

4 hours ago, ClutchClark said:

 

Thats it exactly.

 

Republicans had better hear it this time around--their constituency wants a new paradigm. We are sick of the corruption. 

 

Notice to GOP leadership--Paul Ryan is not the change we are looking for. He is just a new young version of what many of us find wrong with our Party.

 

Fair enough.

 

But there's a lot being said about what voters (I don't think it relates just to Republican voters) do not want, or whom they do not wish to see at the helm. Less by way of realistic views on what can be changed as far as the political system goes, or which existing public figures can affect this change.

[Boon Mee]

...you spend 8 years weaponizing the Federal Government only to hand it over to Donald Trump....

 

@RobProvince @GolightlyGrl427 Look at all the leftist sour faces of hate and globalism. Ugly in so many ways

Indeed...

[Steely Dan]

The electorate rejected Obama and Clinton's globalist agenda allowing Trump to reverse the damage they caused. Not only does he control congress and the House of Representatives he is also not beholding to a list of rich and often foreign donors, who care not a jot about the American people.


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[Boon Mee]

4 minutes ago, Steely Dan said:

The electorate rejected Obama and Clinton's globalist agenda allowing Trump to reverse the damage they caused. Not only does he control congress and the House of Representatives he is also not beholding to a list of rich and often foreign donors, who care not a jot about the American people.


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Crooked Hillary didn't factor in the sheer numbers of Rubes (she did call us Deplorables though) who were not going to put up with the Clinton Corruption tactics any longer.

Donald Trump will Drain the Swamp indeed. 

Edited November 11, 2016 by Boon Mee

[DriveByTrucker]

13 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Donald Trump will Drain the Swamp indeed. 

Does that also include draining the swamp called the GOP in your view? And how exactly would he do this draining? You think the whole establishment is just gonna sit back while Trump start chopping off heads?

[Boon Mee]

Just now, DriveByTrucker said:

 You think the whole establishment is just gonna sit back while Trump start chopping off heads?

Yeah.  Pretty much because you see, he's the Big Dog now and has both houses of Congress to back him if he needs...

[Dtrump]

4 hours ago, NovaBlue05 said:

JT is consistent !

Is he talking about Publicus?

[Dtrump]

2 minutes ago, DriveByTrucker said:

Does that also include draining the swamp called the GOP in your view? And how exactly would he do this draining? You think the whole establishment is just gonna sit back while Trump start chopping off heads?

He wants term limits and that's going to be a hard one.  70% of America thinks it's a good idea but Washington rejects it. 

[DriveByTrucker]

Just now, Boon Mee said:

Yeah.  Pretty much because you see, he's the Big Dog now and has both houses of Congress to back him if he needs...

 

He doesnt "have" the house and congress, the GOP does. What you are saying that they will indeed sit back and chop of their own heads because Trump says so. That sounds very unlikely. Especially since a significant part of the GOP doesnt support Trump's ideas at all.

 

 

[Retiredandhappyhere]

Steely Dan said:    " Not only does he (Trump)  control congress and the House of Representatives he is also not beholding to a list of rich and often foreign donors, who care not a jot about the American people".

 

Trump has to be given a chance and he certainly now has the tools, as Steely Dan said,  to carry out at least some of his major policies.  Not being tied to big business and to rich donors, who always expect some return on their "investment'" is a critical factor which should be of enormous benefit to him.  People clearly voted for change and he will give it to them.  Time will tell whether or not his changes will greatly benefit the country but he has to be given a fair chance.

 

Hardly anyone expected this non-politician and complete outsider to win the Presidential election and yet he has done it against all the odds. A massive personal achievement. so who is to say that he cannot achieve great things for America as President?  As is always the case after the election process is over, the rhetoric will be toned down and he will be quided by expert advisers and become much more Presidential in his words and actions.

 

[DriveByTrucker]

20 minutes ago, Retiredandhappyhere said:

 As is always the case after the election process is over, the rhetoric will be toned down and he will be quided by expert advisers and become much more Presidential in his words and actions.

 

 

Wasn't it his rhetoric that made him win? Will all his voters still accept him when all of a sudden change his rhetoric? Also, to me "guided by experts and advisors will make him become more presidential" sounds like he will become "the establishment".

[elgordo38]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

“It’s been a long time coming, but tonight because of what we did on this date in this election at this defining moment change has come to America,

There is change and then there is change only time will tell. Not impressed so far. 

[elgordo38]

19 minutes ago, DriveByTrucker said:

 

Wasn't it his rhetoric that made him win? Will all his voters still accept him when all of a sudden change his rhetoric? Also, to me "guided by experts and advisors will make him become more presidential" sounds like he will become "the establishment".

Do you think Americans have bought a pig in a poke??