The next stage: Will anti-Trump marches become a movement?

[Jingthing]

40 minutes ago, Ahab said:

I am none of the things you label, but I have lately been called a racist because I believe that the majority of police in the USA are racist and start their shift thinking "I sure hope I get to kill an innocent black or minority today".

I have no idea what you are saying there. Maybe clarify.

[Jingthing]

59 minutes ago, SaintLouisBlues said:

My non-American friends can't believe their luck. They thought at best they'd have a few days' entertainment while Trump sulked because he'd lost. But now, they've got four more years of wall-to-wall entertainment

Four years? Maybe. 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Ahab said:

No.  The marches will end when the money financing the protesters runs out.

The marches will end, conspiracy theories about funding, or not. That's all irrelevant. The shock and horror about the trump ascendancy is a very real thing. Of course daily marches can't and won't continue long term. The question really is what those real and justified strong feelings MORPH into as trump enters the office and starts to do his thing. 

[crackhouseparty]

1 hour ago, Pimay1 said:

My friend all you need to do to see toxic hate is to look into the mirror. Hate is only detrimental to the person doing the hating.

 

I find it easier just to skip the 73k+ poster's toxic comments.  Does he ever leave home to take a breath of fresh air?

[Jingthing]

41 minutes ago, crackhouseparty said:

 

I find it easier just to skip the 73k+ poster's toxic comments.  ...

That's fine with me.

 

Anyway, these are early days. Many millions of Americans are feeling very passionate that there needs to be an extraordinary opposition response to such an abnormal election and abnormal new president.

 

I have hopes that whatever develops will be productive and at least minimally effective (because realistically that's best case in the dark times we've entered), though of course no guarantees. Lots of people are thinking and talking about best tactics now and probably will for quite a while. I think impossible to make specific predictions about the details of the trumpist opposition movement this early.

 

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Protests Have to Be for Something

 

Don't listen to those asking that we give Trump a chance; it's only a chance to destroy. It doesn’t matter that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, not to them. What matters is how fast the wonks can race through the aisles of some GOP backroom and grab as many old policies from the shelves and then sprint them toward the new president’s desk. "

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http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2016/11/14/protests-have-be-something

Edited November 15, 2016 by Jingthing

[crackhouseparty]

Just now, Jingthing said:

That's fine with me.

 

Anyway, these are early days. Many millions of Americans are feeling very passionate that there needs to be an extraordinary opposition response to such an abnormal election and abnormal new president.

 

I have hopes that whatever develops will be productive and helpful, though of course no guarantees. Lots of people are thinking and talking about best tactics now and probably will for quite a while. I think impossible to make specific predictions about the details of the trumpist opposition movement this early.

 

http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2016/11/14/protests-have-be-something

 

Get a grip.  A load of spotty teenagers playing up because they've nothing better to do.  It'll fizzle out in the next few weeks, particularly when the cold weather sets in.

 

Accept the fact that The Donald is the next POTUS for at least the next four years and get out of your house to take some fresh air and rest your head. 

 

Who is this Jingthing guy?  Is he for real?

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, crackhouseparty said:

 

Get a grip.  A load of spotty teenagers playing up because they've nothing better to do.  It'll fizzle out in the next few weeks, particularly when the cold weather sets in.

 

Accept the fact that The Donald is the next POTUS for at least the next four years and get out of your house to take some fresh air and rest your head. 

 

Who is this Jingthing guy?  Is he for real?

I thought you were skipping my posts. 

I know for a fact that you're wrong. The opposition movement to trumpism is wide and deep and includes very diverse people. People marching on the streets now are a tip of the iceberg of the people that feel trump being president is not normal and should not normalized. 

Edited November 15, 2016 by Jingthing

[crackhouseparty]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I thought you were skipping my posts. 

I know for a fact that you're wrong. The opposition movement to trumpism is wide and deep and includes very diverse people. People marching on the streets now are a tip of the iceberg of the people that feel trump being president is not normal and should not normalized. 

 

You responded to me personally so I afforded you the courtesy of a response.

 

Anyway, you are completely wrong and it'll all fizzle out within days.  You only hope that a load of spotty teenagers do your dirty work for you.

 

Have a walk on the beach and relax your head.  You'll feel so much better.

[Morch]

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I thought you were skipping my posts. 

I know for a fact that you're wrong. The opposition movement to trumpism is wide and deep and includes very diverse people. People marching on the streets now are a tip of the iceberg of the people that feel trump being president is not normal and should not normalized. 

 

I recall, in my younger days, being part of some demonstrations and protests. I also remember these things go better in fair weather. It's easy to be enthusiastic about participation levels while enjoying the warmth of Thailand. Iceberg indeed. Plus, some people do need to work, which kinda cuts off some of the diversity. If Trump does nothing exceedingly outrageous in the very near future, this will go away. At least as far as outdoors mass participation is concerned. Come next spring....who knows.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

I recall, in my younger days, being part of some demonstrations and protests. I also remember these things go better in fair weather. It's easy to be enthusiastic about participation levels while enjoying the warmth of Thailand. Iceberg indeed. Plus, some people do need to work, which kinda cuts off some of the diversity. If Trump does nothing exceedingly outrageous in the very near future, this will go away. At least as far as outdoors mass participation is concerned. Come next spring....who knows.

Yes, but perhaps you miss my meaning. I don't see the future of the opposition to trumpism movement as being significantly about street demonstrations. It needs to evolve into other tactics, and I believe it will, because of the magnitude of the threat to core American values of the rise of a fascist movement to the white house. That said, it's safe to predict there will be large and visible street protests during the trump inauguration. 

[kevkev1888]

Yeah they are going to turn into the type of movement I get the morning after a big night out and a kebab on the way home.

 

A huge explosive shit, and a stench that turns your stomach. Only to be flushed away and forgotten by lunchtime.

 

A flash in the pan! 

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes, but perhaps you miss my meaning. I don't see the future of the opposition to trumpism movement as being significantly about street demonstrations. It needs to evolve into other tactics, and I believe it will, because of the magnitude of the threat to core American values of the rise of a fascist movement to the white house. That said, it's safe to predict there will be large and visible street protests during the trump inauguration. 

 

And still, you're going on resisting and opposing, less about convincing. Can't rightly say how people on the US who not on the political extremes feel about these protests. My suspicion is that it doesn't earn much respect and credibility among those that need to be won over or be brought back into the fold.

[Usernames]

Now, aren't these the sort people you must take seriously when they protest? http://wavy.com/2016/11/13/71-arrested-during-saturday-nights-portland-protests/

Edited November 15, 2016 by Usernames

[crackhouseparty]

2 hours ago, Ahab said:

You forgot to list all the "good and decent things Obama has done". I am likely on the opposite side of the political spectrum and do not see much good, except he was especially good at dividing the American people, and signing executive orders that can be undone with the stroke of Trump's pen once he becomes President.

 

Let's face it, Obama was the token black president who didn't fulfil his potential.  I'm more than a little embarrassed with Michelle's "she's my girl" nonsense and Barry's "let's welcome the next POTUS [Hillary]" assertion.  Idiots, the pair of them.

[Jingthing]

28 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

And still, you're going on resisting and opposing, less about convincing. Can't rightly say how people on the US who not on the political extremes feel about these protests. My suspicion is that it doesn't earn much respect and credibility among those that need to be won over or be brought back into the fold.

Morch, I am not a leader of this opposition movement. I am assuming strong and credible leaders will emerge that offer a way for the many millions of Americans that are totally horrified that trump (and Breitbart) are taking power and feel a strong need for a way to channel that energy into a hopefully productive opposition tactic and strategy. I don't know what that will be yet or who the leader(s) will be. Possibly Elizabeth Warren will be a big part of it. 

As far as winning people back, we've talked about this before. trump has already broken his promises bigly. I think that a large  portion of the trump voters will need less persuading than you do when the reality of the big lies really hits the fan. 

Edited November 15, 2016 by Jingthing

[DriveByTrucker]

1 hour ago, nottocus said:

Don't worry mate. It's called deflection. Libs trying to find excuses for their own inadequacies and pathetic view of what they see as an idealistic world. Don't forget, in their eyes, the straight white guy is the lowest of the low. Now that's racist and sexist.

 

Its funny that nobody seems to understand what liberals actually are......because it were "the inadequate and pathetic liberals views" as you call them which  made Trump win the electoral votes (not for instance the endorsement by the KKK). The majority of the Trump voters are not racist, but are the working class people who are without a job, have their homes foreclosed, and cant afford healthcare for their kids, and voted for Trump because of his liberal policies to solve this (ie creating jobs, killing trade deals, improve infrastructure, etc. you know, the real socialist ideals). With that in mind, I am sure you understand how foolish it is to think that liberals hate white straight guys (hell I can guarantee you that I dont hate myself for that matter), but you might need some time to think it over.

For some incomprehensible reason people seem to think Clinton is liberal, or even funnier, that she is left. These people are complete idiots.

[DriveByTrucker]

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Morch, I am not a leader of this opposition movement. I am assuming strong and credible leaders will emerge that offer a way for the many millions of Americans that are totally horrified that trump (and Breitbart) are taking power and feel a strong need for a way to channel that energy into a hopefully productive opposition tactic and strategy. I don't know what that will be yet or who the leader(s) will be. Possibly Elizabeth Warren will be a big part of it. 

As far as winning people back, we've talked about this before. trump has already broken his promises bigly. I think that a large  portion of the trump voters will need less persuading than you do when the reality of the big lies really hits the fan. 

 

Don't think it will be Elizabeth Warren. It should be a millennial, they hold the future. Maybe they can (finally) even start a 3rd party

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, DriveByTrucker said:

 

Don't think it will be Elizabeth Warren. It should be a millennial, they hold the future. Maybe they can (finally) even start a 3rd party

Yes, that is my wish that unknown younger people emerge as such leaders. We'll see. But there is no reason why there can't be multiple leaders, in and out of political office. I am hoping that the emerging movement turns out to be somewhat coherent, consistent and unified though but that might be hoping for too much. 

[metisdead]

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[Shawn0000]

1 hour ago, Usernames said:

Now, aren't these the sort people you must take seriously when they protest? http://wavy.com/2016/11/13/71-arrested-during-saturday-nights-portland-protests/

 

For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.

[Usernames]

12 minutes ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.

 

Yep, poor little lambs, one and all. Probably need a kennel of therapy dogs to make them feel better.

[crackhouseparty]

13 minutes ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.

 

There's enough religious nonsense in the world without you adding to it. 

[Shawn0000]

1 minute ago, Usernames said:

 

Yep, poor little lambs, one and all. Probably need a kennel of therapy dogs to make them feel better.

 

You're not a Christian then?

 

[Shawn0000]

1 minute ago, crackhouseparty said:

 

There's enough religious nonsense in the world without you adding to it. 

 

I didn't add anything, that has been there for quite a while already.

 

Not judging people by their appearance but rather by their heart, is nonsense to you, really?

[Usernames]

1 minute ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

You're not a Christian then?

 

 

Why? Are you virtue signalling? 

[crackhouseparty]

Just now, Shawn0000 said:

 

I didn't add anything, that has been there for quite a while already.

 

Not judging people by their appearance but rather by their heart, is nonsense to you, really?

 

Have they gainful employment in the first instance?

[Shawn0000]

Just now, Usernames said:

 

Why? Are you virtue signalling? 

 

Yes, have a problem with that?

[Usernames]

1 minute ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

Yes, have a problem with that?

 

Go ahead. It's revelatory. 

[Shawn0000]

Just now, crackhouseparty said:

 

Have they gainful employment in the first instance?

 

What relevance would their past employment have and particularly whether or not it was gainful employment?

 

[pgrahmm]

Bill & Hillary finally got their car out of the long term parking.....