The anti-Trump resistance takes shape: 'Government's supposed to fear us'

[simple1]

11 minutes ago, Scott said:

The President sets the number of refugees from the overall number of people allowed to immigrate to the US.    Cutting the number of refugees will allow for more in the other visa categories.  

 

The prevailing attitude toward refugees is more on the negative side at this time.   I think the prevailing negative attitude comes from a variety of issues, including the world watching the influx into Europe as well as strong rhetoric during the campaign.  

I was talking to the likely outcome of Trump's decision entailing cutting Christian refugee intake. An outcome which would not be a desired by Christian groups supporting Trump. Shot in the foot etc...

Edited June 26, 2017 by simple1

[Scott]

To date, I don't believe that Christians will be at any greater disadvantage than any other group.   I don't think religion is taken into account in admitting refugees--at least no particular religion is 'banned'.    Certain practices by certain religions may preclude resettlement, such as multiple marriages.  

[craigt3365]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

Trump has unilaterally cut refugees intake by 50k p.a., so currently 50k vetted refugees are permitted entry p.a. I would assume US vetted refugee intake is similar to Australia where the majority of refugees permitted entry are Christian, so kind of cutting off your nose, to spite your face.

Not sure about religion, but last time I looked at this, a majority of the refugees were women, children and people at risk.  Great job Trump!  Congrats.

 

The ruling has created more legal confusion:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/26/politics/trump-travel-ban-decision/index.html
 

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"In practical terms, this means that §2(c) may not be enforced against foreign nationals who have a credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States. All other foreign nationals are subject to the provisions of EO--2."

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What's less clear -- at least to me -- is what a "bona fide relationship" means. Is that blood connection? Close friend? And who decides what a "credible" claim of a "bona fide" relationship is?

 

 

This administration is wasting our precious resources on stuff like this.  And in the end, will do little to help protect our country.  But hey, his supporters love it and he did beat Hillary. LOL

[PattayaJames]

1 hour ago, craigt3365 said:

Not sure about religion, but last time I looked at this, a majority of the refugees were women, children and people at risk.  Great job Trump!  Congrats.

 

The ruling has created more legal confusion:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/26/politics/trump-travel-ban-decision/index.html
 

 

This administration is wasting our precious resources on stuff like this.  And in the end, will do little to help protect our country.  But hey, his supporters love it and he did beat Hillary. LOL

It was not the Trump administration who dragged it through the courts. Blame the resist and block everything Trump brigade, and the lefty judges who were looking to be heroes.

[craigt3365]

1 hour ago, PattayaJames said:

It was not the Trump administration who dragged it through the courts. Blame the resist and block everything Trump brigade, and the lefty judges who were looking to be heroes.

You are right.  It was Trump who drafted a lousy EO without proper vetting and that's potentially a violation of the US constitution.  Can't blame others for that, though they seem to try.

 

Lefty judges?  Seriously? LOL

 

Time will tell if this terrible EO is cancelled, left to stand, or modified.  You are aware the court did make a modification to it?  More lefty judges?

[PattayaJames]

1 hour ago, craigt3365 said:

More lefty judges?

Nope. Thankfully, the Supreme Court has been saved.

And another Trump lifetime appointment likely to come soon. 

Now that is a Trump win!

MAGA

Edited June 27, 2017 by PattayaJames

[craigt3365]

4 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

Nope. Thankfully, the Supreme Court has been saved.

And another Trump lifetime appointment likely to come soon. 

Now that is a Trump win!

MAGA

Good for Trump!  That's what, 3 wins now versus how many loses?  Amazing you call this a win.  It's a terrible EO.  Sadly, Trump supporters don't seem to see that.  Though the majority of Americans do.  Luckily!

[craigt3365]

Well, so much for making America great again.  Trump hurts us...again.

 

http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/u-s-image-suffers-as-publics-around-world-question-trumps-leadership/

U.S. Image Suffers as Publics Around World Question Trump’s Leadership

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According to a new Pew Research Center survey spanning 37 nations, a median of just 22% has confidence in Trump to do the right thing when it comes to international affairs. This stands in contrast to the final years of Barack Obama’s presidency, when a median of 64% expressed confidence in Trump’s predecessor to direct America’s role in the world.

 

Ouch, this has to hurt! LOL

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Chinese President Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin also get poor marks, though neither is rated as negatively as the U.S. president.

 

[heybruce]

13 hours ago, heybruce said:

He doubled the admission fee to Mar-a-Lago after the election, from $100,000 to $200,000, then called it the "Winter Whitehouse".  I'm sure that has more than off-set the "sacrifice" of the president's salary.

 

It would be very interesting to see who joined Mar-a-Lago after he doubled the fee.  However Trump defies tradition and won't release tax returns, won't put his businesses in a blind trust, won't make White House visitor logs public and won't tell us which cabinet members needed waivers for conflicts of interest and what these waivers covered.  It's safe to assume we won't learn who joined Mar-a-Lago, at least not without a long court battle.

 

6 hours ago, F4UCorsair said:

 

 

OK, but does foregoing the Presidential salary not qualify???   That was the question.

 

There are some masters at deflection here, but you have to be right up there. 

Forgoing the salary is a deflection, the salary is tiny compared to the money he's making by abusing the office of the presidency.

[craigt3365]

22 hours ago, PattayaJames said:

Nope. Thankfully, the Supreme Court has been saved.

And another Trump lifetime appointment likely to come soon. 

Now that is a Trump win!

MAGA

So much for a Trump win.  Let's not forget this isn't the ban Trump wanted in place.  It's the watered down one.  The one he calls "politically correct".

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/27/opinions/trump-travel-ban-sc-pate-opinion/index.html

 

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'Clear victory' on travel ban? Not quite

The harmful and direct impact of the revised travel ban was so obvious to a majority of the Justices that they stayed a significant part of the measure as soon as they agreed to accept the case. That's a loss for the Trump administration, no matter how the White House may try to spin it.

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It doesn't fully reinstate the travel ban.

 

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/26/politics/travel-ban-supreme-court/index.html

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Supreme Court allows parts of travel ban to take effect

 

"Who is going to make this decision? If we leave it to the folks on the front line, that's just going to lead to more litigation."

Great job providing more cases for lawyers to file.  The lawyers lobbyist group must be loving this.

 

MAGA. LOL

[PattayaJames]

 

On 6/27/2017 at 11:02 AM, PattayaJames said:

On 6/27/2017 at 9:51 AM, craigt3365 said:

More lefty judges?

Nope. Thankfully, the Supreme Court has been saved.

And another Trump lifetime appointment likely to come soon. 

Now that is a Trump win!

MAGA

Sorry if this was not clear, to you.

I was referring to the to the SCOTUS appointments.

1 down (Neil Gorsuch), and at least 1, possibly 2 more to come.

Which will change the direction of the SCOTUS for decades.

 

As to the travel ban, much a do about not a lot. The main thing is that the decision affirms the Presidents authority, and clearly puts the lefty lower court judges in their place. No, they cannot just try to block stuff cos they don't like Trump!

[craigt3365]

25 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Sorry if this was not clear, to you.

I was referring to the to the SCOTUS appointments.

1 down (Neil Gorsuch), and at least 1, possibly 2 more to come.

Which will change the direction of the SCOTUS for decades.

 

As to the travel ban, much a do about not a lot. The main thing is that the decision affirms the Presidents authority, and clearly puts the lefty lower court judges in their place. No, they cannot just try to block stuff cos they don't like Trump!

Understood completely.  As for the judges, seems to be some good news.  Thanks to Trump! LOL

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/26/politics/anthony-kennedy-supreme-court-monday/index.html

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Travel ban, religious liberty cases could keep swing vote Kennedy around

 

You are right, the travel ban has always been much ado about not a lot.  Not sure why Trump pursued it so aggressively.  He backed off on so many other promises. LOL

 

Please, understand, this isn't because they don't like Trump.  It's because the original ban potentially violated the constitution.  Big mistake on Trump's part and a huge FAIL.

[Jingthing]

trump creative insults - -

[simple1]

On 2017-6-27 at 8:46 AM, Scott said:

 

Apologies, cannot delete above.

 

Another failure for Trump. Ford moving production of Focus from US to China.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/20/news/companies/ford-focus-china/index.html

 

 

 

 

[ilostmypassword]

6 hours ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Sorry if this was not clear, to you.

I was referring to the to the SCOTUS appointments.

1 down (Neil Gorsuch), and at least 1, possibly 2 more to come.

Which will change the direction of the SCOTUS for decades.

 

As to the travel ban, much a do about not a lot. The main thing is that the decision affirms the Presidents authority, and clearly puts the lefty lower court judges in their place. No, they cannot just try to block stuff cos they don't like Trump!

Gorsuch may be a win for Trump, but for the white working class he is nothing short of a disaster. There's a well known case where a trucker faced possibly freezing to death waiting for a repair crew to come and look at his rig or leaving the rig and getting shelter. Finally he chose to find shelter. The company fired him for violating policy. Gorsuch ruled that the company had the right to do so. Fortunately all the other judges, including conservative ones, ruled in favor of the worker. Give Trump time, though, and the Supreme Court will be filled with defenders of corporate america.

http://www.nationallawjournal.com/id=1202781824025/Lawyers-in-Gorsuch-Frozen-Trucker-Case-Surprised-at-Attention?slreturn=20170528062657

 

[Skywalker69]

Trump Health Sec explains to cancer patient how kicking him off Medicaid will “strengthen” it

 

CNN held a town hall meeting with Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price, where a cancer patient, whose life was saved by the Medicaid expansion in Obamacare, confronted Price with the GOP's plan to kick him off of it in 2020.

 

http://shareblue.com/trump-health-sec-explains-to-cancer-patient-how-kicking-him-off-medicaid-will-strengthen-it/

 

 

[Skywalker69]

Trump is so pathetic!

 

Faking a Time magazine cover is the most Trump thing ever

 

(CNN) There's a Time magazine cover photo featuring Donald Trump hanging in at least five of his golf clubs. The only problem, according to the Washington Post's David Fahrenthold, is that no such cover exists. As in, Trump (or someone close to him) created the cover out of whole cloth.

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/28/politics/trump-time-magazine/index.html

[Skywalker69]

                                                                                    T r u m p ’ s   L i e s

                                                                                    By DAVID LEONHARDT and STUART A. THOMPSON JUNE 23, 2017

 

Many Americans have become accustomed to President Trump’s lies. But as regular as they have become, the country should not allow itself to become numb to them. So we have catalogued nearly every outright lie he has told publicly since taking the oath of office.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

 

 

 

 

 

[Jingthing]

Good news for the resistance.

Bad news for 45.

The ever important INDEPENDENTS are souring on it.

What took them so long?

 

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Storm clouds: Independents turn away from Trump while his base turns inward

Buried in the poll, though, is even worse news for the party. Democrats continue to be stalwartly opposed to President Trump and his party’s health-care proposals, unsurprisingly. But independents are similarly souring on the president and the party’s legislation — as Republicans and Trump supporters appear to tune out. November 2018 is still a long way away, but if that trend continues, it suggests the possibility of a disinterested Republican base and a hostile middle — bad news for Republicans in Congress in any sort of contested race.

Since February, approval of Trump’s job performance among independents has fallen by 9 points, from 40 percent to only 31 percent.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/06/28/storm-clouds-independents-turn-away-from-trump-while-his-base-turns-inward

[jerojero]

 
Maybe Trump could run the government like a community organizer, but we all know that would be another complete disaster.

Or maybe he could run it like a casino or a university. Make sure they sell beef steaks too.

[thaihome]

Trump is China's Chump

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/28/opinion/trump-china-asia-pacific-trade-tpp.html?ribbon-ad-idx=3&rref=opinion&module=Ribbon&version=context&region=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Opinion&pgtype=article

TH 

[Skywalker69]

The Simple Truth on Trump: He's Dumb as Rocks

 

Over the period of Donald Trump’s political career, from candidate to president, there have been assessments of his personality and history that have ranged from shrewd businessman to Machiavellian strategist to narcissist to huckster. People have called him clever and clueless, a showman and a showboat. Everyone has a take on Trump, and after this past week, I finally have to conclude that almost all of these are wrong. 

 

https://www.advocate.com/commentary/2017/5/17/simple-truth-trump-hes-dumb-rocks

[simple1]

Trump is at it again, eroding the reputation of the Office of the President; this individual should not be the leader of the American people.

Donald Trump's Twitter tirade against journalist Mika Brzezinski draws strong criticism from Repblicans

 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/trumps-mika-brzezinski-insults-draw-strong-republican-criticism/8665574

Edited June 30, 2017 by simple1

[craigt3365]

20 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Trump is at it again, eroding the reputation of the Office of the President; this individual should not be the leader of the American people.

Donald Trump's Twitter tirade against journalist Mika Brzezinski draws strong criticism from Repblicans

 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/trumps-mika-brzezinski-insults-draw-strong-republican-criticism/8665574

As many say, this crossed a line.  I find it incredible anybody can still support this guy.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/29/media/mika-brzezinski-donald-trump-tweet/index.html
 

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"She was bleeding badly from a face-lift. I said no!" the president wrote.

 

He actually said yes, according to accounts of their meeting. Trump, Scarborough and Brzezinski mingled with guests and had a private chat.

 

For the record, photos from Mar-a-Lago do not show any blood or bandages on Brzezinski's face.

 

More lies from somebody who's suppose to be the president of the US.  It's getting to weird.  Luckily, some republicans are starting to push back on this nonsense also.

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/29/politics/lawmakers-react-trump-tweet-joe-scarborough-mika-brzezinski-morning-joe/index.html?iid=EL
 

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"Please just stop. This isn't normal and it's beneath the dignity of your office," GOP Sen. Ben Sasse tweeted shortly after Trump launched into a tweetstorm about the show.

 

Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska‏ tweeted to Trump, "do you want to be remembered for your tweets or your accomplishments?"

 

She also tweeted, "Stop it! The Presidential platform should be used for more than bringing people down."

 

 

What a sick man.

[PattayaJames]

Apparently she called him a bumbling dope, resembling a kid who pooped in his pants.

So whatever...... who cares, if you can't take shit then don't give it.

[craigt3365]

4 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

Apparently she called him a bumbling dope, resembling a kid who pooped in his pants.

So whatever...... who cares, if you can't take shit then don't give it.

I watched the show when it was airing live.  Never heard what you are saying.  Show a link.

 

They were blasting Trump on his fake Time magazine cover.  And for good reasons.  Trump's the one who goes after fake news then creates it himself and hangs it in his upscale golf courses.  Too funny.

 

His attack (which was a lie) is being condemned by many senior republicans.  Time for Trump supporters to do the same thing, rather than defend this absolutely horrible action.  Follow what your leaders are doing.  Here they are in a video:

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/congress-reacts-to-trump-s-morning-joe-tweets-979515971830

 

[simple1]

10 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

As many say, this crossed a line.  I find it incredible anybody can still support this guy.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/29/media/mika-brzezinski-donald-trump-tweet/index.html
 

More lies from somebody who's suppose to be the president of the US.  It's getting to weird.  Luckily, some republicans are starting to push back on this nonsense also.

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/29/politics/lawmakers-react-trump-tweet-joe-scarborough-mika-brzezinski-morning-joe/index.html?iid=EL
 

 

What a sick man.

As you can observe from the post above, some people are of the opinion it's perfectly OK for the President of the USA to indulge in this incredibly stupid vindictiveness. Even on TV such social media behaviour would not be acceptable.

[craigt3365]

3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

As you can observe from the post above, some people are of the opinion it's perfectly OK for the President of the USA to indulge in this incredibly stupid vindictiveness. Even on TV such social media behaviour would not be acceptable.

Honestly, it's shocking anybody could support such a vindictive tweet by the POTUS.  Shows the nature of the hardcore Trump supporters.  Really sad times.  A truly divided nation.

[PattayaJames]

2 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

I watched the show when it was airing live.  Never heard what you are saying.  Show a link.

 

They were blasting Trump on his fake Time magazine cover.  And for good reasons.  Trump's the one who goes after fake news then creates it himself and hangs it in his upscale golf courses.  Too funny.

 

His attack (which was a lie) is being condemned by many senior republicans.  Time for Trump supporters to do the same thing, rather than defend this absolutely horrible action.  Follow what your leaders are doing.  Here they are in a video:

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/congress-reacts-to-trump-s-morning-joe-tweets-979515971830

 

I was quoting from a BBC story: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40452779

 

Brzezinski and Scarborough co-present the MSNBC breakfast show, Morning Joe, which has increasingly derided President Trump since he took office.

In recent weeks, Scarborough has called him a "bumbling dope", resembling "a kid who pooped in his pants", while Brzezinski has mocked members of the administration as "lobotomised".

 

51 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Trump is at it again, eroding the reputation of the Office of the President; this individual should not be the leader of the American people.

Donald Trump's Twitter tirade against journalist Mika Brzezinski draws strong criticism from Repblicans

 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/trumps-mika-brzezinski-insults-draw-strong-republican-criticism/8665574

Hypocrisy, no surprise there.

When lefty celebs, commentators, "journalists" constantly deride Trump with vile speech and personal insults, of course this does not erode the reputation of the Office of the President.

[craigt3365]

Yup. That's what they said.  I'm sure worse things are being said about Trump in other, less mainstream, media sites.  Either way, impossible to condone Trump's response.  Impossible.  Never stoop to their level.  Sadly, that's where Trump already is.  He's proven it again.  Other presidents just ignored such stuff.  Trump should focus on the problems he faces, not what some nut job news reporters say.

 

Stop with the lefty stuff.  Shows you don't know what you are talking about.  Many of us are not left or right.  Just opposed to a president who's degrading the reputation of his position.  Hopefully, the righty's will agree with that. LOL