The anti-Trump resistance takes shape: 'Government's supposed to fear us'

[F4UCorsair]

Link worth taking a look at

 

http://www.smh.com.au/world/georgia-election-house-race-in-suburban-atlanta-a-referendum-on-trump-20170620-gwv5vr.html

 

A referendum on Trump?    The Republicans scored 53% of the vote I read, so that looks like an endorsement to me.

 

What the Democrats must realize is that the more $hit they sling, the more immature the public see them as, and polarize the population even more.  Unfortunately for the Dems, people are sick to death of the childish crap, and lean toward the Republicans.

[Rob13]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Yes, and it would help if the candidate actually lived in the district they want to represent. Apparently Ossoff couldn't even vote for himself.

 

 

I didn't realize that. They really don't get it. I of the mind now, to throw both parties under the train and start fresh with grassroots candidates.  Neither party is doing much in the way of representing their constituents.

Edited June 22, 2017 by Rob13

[craigt3365]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agreed. The ratings on politicians of both parties says that the population has had enough as well.

However, IMO, politicians being creatures of self interest will always put self before the people.

Love him or hate him, or neither, IMO the people of the US elected Trump to try and make a change in that culture. So far the establishment is resisting with all its might.

It's time for the people to stop putting up with politicians that put them self before the people.  Like Trump.  AND the others.  No reason to continually support Trump just because a minority of the population voted for him.  Or a minority approve of him.  Put his feet to the fire.  Make him commit to doing something for the country.  A good start would be calling him out for all his lies.

 

Change is desperately needed.  From the bottom as well as at the top.  Right?

[thaibeachlovers]

9 minutes ago, Rob13 said:

 

I didn't realize that. They really don't get it. I of the mind now, to throw both parties under the train and start fresh with grassroots candidates.  Neither party is doing much in the way of representing their constituents.

http://www.snopes.com/ossoff-sixth-congressional-district/

 

CLAIM

Jon Ossoff is running to represent Georgia's sixth congressional district while living outside its boundaries.

TRUE

RATING

TRUE

Edited June 22, 2017 by thaibeachlovers
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[craigt3365]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

http://www.snopes.com/ossoff-sixth-congressional-district/

 

CLAIM

Jon Ossoff is running to represent Georgia's sixth congressional district while living outside its boundaries.

TRUE

RATING

TRUE

Some 21 members of congress don't live in their districts.  From both sides of the isle.  This isn't a really relevant argument.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/04/21/at-least-20-members-of-the-house-are-registered-to-vote-outside-their-districts/?utm_term=.db76441b0097

[iReason]

 

[F4UCorsair]

1 minute ago, craigt3365 said:

It's time for the people to stop putting up with politicians that put them self before the people.  Like Trump.  AND the others.  No reason to continually support Trump just because a minority of the population voted for him.  Or a minority approve of him.  Put his feet to the fire.  Make him commit to doing something for the country.  A good start would be calling him out for all his lies.

 

Change is desperately needed.  From the bottom as well as at the top.  Right?

 

You're pi$$ing into a 40 knot northerly if you think politicians will EVER put their constituents before themselves....EVER!!  That's the sole reason they're there.   If the public get any benefit from politicians, it's purely coincidental.

 

Under a recent socialist government in Australia, politicians were given, by an 'independent tribunal', a pay rise of 40%.  The Prime Minister is now paid more than what the US President is paid, 22 million population versus 320 million!!  They supposedly traded off a 'gold pass', which I think entitled each retired politician to 10 first class  domestic flights a year, including spouse, until death.   That was a total of a few million $$, but they received tens of millions in salary increases.  Problem was that the legislation was passed in the lower house, but 'lost' before it went to the senate.   Five years elapsed, and under public pressure, the Prime Minister knocked the gold pass on the head.   As it evolved, it never required legislation, just the PM to make a decision to get rid of it.

 

It will never change.   Politicians are greedy, self centred, arrogant rsoles.

[Rob13]

4 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

This isn't a really relevant argument.

 

Yes, it is. Very relevant, goes to the core of what a  representative government is all about.

[craigt3365]

5 minutes ago, Rob13 said:

 

Yes, it is. Very relevant, goes to the core of what a  representative government is all about.

OK.  Then we need to also post about the republicans who live outside their district and got voted in?  From what I've read, some of this results from redistricting.  It's not all nefarious, and in some cases, the distance is very small.

 

But yes, totally understand and agree with your point.

[craigt3365]

10 minutes ago, F4UCorsair said:

 

You're pi$$ing into a 40 knot northerly if you think politicians will EVER put their constituents before themselves....EVER!!  That's the sole reason they're there.   If the public get any benefit from politicians, it's purely coincidental.

 

Under a recent socialist government in Australia, politicians were given, by an 'independent tribunal', a pay rise of 40%.  The Prime Minister is now paid more than what the US President is paid, 22 million population versus 320 million!!  They supposedly traded off a 'gold pass', which I think entitled each retired politician to 10 first class  domestic flights a year, including spouse, until death.   That was a total of a few million $$, but they received tens of millions in salary increases.  Problem was that the legislation was passed in the lower house, but 'lost' before it went to the senate.   Five years elapsed, and under public pressure, the Prime Minister knocked the gold pass on the head.   As it evolved, it never required legislation, just the PM to make a decision to get rid of it.

 

It will never change.   Politicians are greedy, self centred, arrogant rsoles.

Politicians have already changed over the past 20 years or so, and not for the better.  Time for the people to stop putting up with it.  But yes, until that happens, nothing will change. 

[Andaman Al]

35 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

http://www.snopes.com/ossoff-sixth-congressional-district/

 

CLAIM

Jon Ossoff is running to represent Georgia's sixth congressional district while living outside its boundaries.

TRUE

RATING

TRUE

Here is a starter with two, you can check out all the rest.

 

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PRESCOTT – Two Republican congressional candidates don't own homes in the districts they seek to represent.

U.S. Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz., keeps his family home in the 1st District while he runs for the 4th.

Arizona House Speaker Andy Tobin lives in the 4th District while he campaigns for the 1st.

There is no requirement for any candidate for Congress to live in the district they run for. What is your point concerning Ossoff? He was born and bred in the district he ran for and lives just outside the boundary since he moved to allow his wife a shorter commute to her place of employment.

 

So whats your take on the two republicans above? They can't vote for themselves either. What about all 21 in craigs post? Most have their own reasons. Should they all be sacked and run new elections in their districts?

[Rob13]

9 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

What is your point concerning Ossoff?

 

The DNC screwed up again. People prefer to vote from someone who lives in their own district. It means elected officials have a vested interest in what they are representing and not seeing it as just a 9-5 job. A bit obvious. really. 

 

If the DNC has any intention of changing things they need to start with re-connecting to the electorate. Ossoff proves they still have their heads of their a#@e.

Edited June 22, 2017 by Rob13

[Andaman Al]

3 minutes ago, Rob13 said:

 

The DNC screwed up again. People prefer to vote from someone who lives in their own district. It means they have a vested interest in what the congressman is representing and not seeing at just a 9-5 job. A bit obvious. really. 

 

If the DNC has any intention of changing things they need to start with re-connecting to the electorate. Ossoff proves they still have their heads of their a#@e.

So are all the Republicans who live outside their districts in the same boat? Ossify did amazingly well in a district that has been red for decades. It was close.

Edited June 22, 2017 by Andaman Al

[Rob13]

3 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

Ossify did amazingly well in a district that has been red for decades. It was close.

And if he lived in the district it very well may have put him over the top. I would not have voted for him. People want to know they are represented by one of their own, not an outsider. Trump has figured this out and uses the rhetoric to get support. 

[craigt3365]

5 minutes ago, Rob13 said:

 

The DNC screwed up again. People prefer to vote from someone who lives in their own district. It means elected officials have a vested interest in what they are representing and not seeing it as just a 9-5 job. A bit obvious. really. 

 

If the DNC has any intention of changing things they need to start with re-connecting to the electorate. Ossoff proves they still have their heads of their a#@e.

100% agree.  Your last statement could also apply to the other party.  Who are in the majority right now, and barely pulled off a victory in a district that should have been a no brainer, against a 30 year old newbie.  I know you agree with this.  Just pointing it out...again! LOL

 

Change is desperately needed.  Trump has a high approval rating than congress!  Sad.  74% disapprove of the job congress is doing.  Only 20% approve.

 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1600/congress-public.aspx

 

 

[Rob13]

Just now, craigt3365 said:

Your last statement could also apply to the other party.

Absolutely, both sides have lost touch. If the GOP think they have a mandate they're in for a big surprise.

[Andaman Al]

6 minutes ago, Rob13 said:

And if he lived in the district it very well may have put him over the top. I would not have voted for him. People want to know they are represented by one of their own, not an outsider. Trump has figured this out and uses the rhetoric to get support. 

Ossoff was born and bred in the district he ran for. He moved slightly outside the district boundary to allow his wife a shorter commute to work. How is he not 'one of their own' ?

 

Handel was born in Washington and educated in Maryland. She only moved to Georgia in 2006 (born in 1962) to run for State Secretary for Georgia, so you classify her as 'one of their own'?

 

I get what you are trying to say but don't we need a bit of consistency?

[Rob13]

Just now, Andaman Al said:

He moved slightly outside the district

 

1 minute ago, Andaman Al said:

How is he not 'one of their own' ?

 

If he likes the district so much why did he move. Or does he just want to be in DC so he's closer to the money?

Kinda answers itself.

[Andaman Al]

1 minute ago, Rob13 said:

 

If he likes the district so much why did he move. Or does he just want to be in DC so he's closer to the money?

Kinda answers itself.

I just explained why he moved ?? No comprende?   Does he live in DC?

 

"Or does he just want to be in DC so he's closer to the money?"  - a foolish thing to say when you had been doing so well earlier.

 

No comment on Handel never even seeing the place until 2006? Is she 'one of their own'?

[Rob13]

2 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

 - a foolish thing to say when you had been doing so well earlier.

Maybe so OTOH, people would prefer to be represented by someone from their own district and with experience, which he failed on both counts. The DNC is making mistakes on the most basic levels. You can dismiss it and justify it all you want, doesn't change the facts that people are feeling alienated from their representatives  in government. Had the DNC put an experienced candidate who actually lived and had a family in the 6th district, I think he could have pulled in enough votes to win, just my opinion.

[craigt3365]

20 minutes ago, Rob13 said:

 

If he likes the district so much why did he move. Or does he just want to be in DC so he's closer to the money?

Kinda answers itself.

OTOH, if a great candidate exists 1km from the districts border, and they are far and away better than any inside the district, why should they be denied the opportunity to do a great job?  Just saying....I understand your argument though.  It's up to the voters, right?

[Rob13]

9 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

OTOH, if a great candidate exists 1km from the districts border, and they are far and away better than any inside the district, why should they be denied the opportunity to do a great job?  Just saying....I understand your argument though.  It's up to the voters, right?

 

Yeah, it comes down to the voters. If their best choice is from somewhere else, up to them really. But,i'd imagine they'd take one of their own over the outsider if all things are equal. That's how the system is designed. Legally nothing wrong with it, practically it's a poor strategy. i don't  think the DNC gets that. People want to be represented by one of their own. IMHO, anyway.

Edited June 22, 2017 by Rob13

[PattayaJames]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't like using this thread to speak about the recent election, but apparently there is no dedicated thread for it, despite being of obvious importance.

It became a lot less important to the MSM when the Dems lost.

Nothing to see here.

Back to Russia. 

[craigt3365]

2 minutes ago, Rob13 said:

 

Yeah, it comes down to the voters. If their best choice is from somewhere else, up to them really. But,i'd imagine they'd take one of their own over the outsider if all things are equal. That's how the system is designed. Legally nothing wrong with it, practically it's a poor strategy. i don't  think the DNC gets that. People want to be represented by one of their own. IMHO, anyway.

But in 21 cases, the voters did choose an outsider....just saying...perhaps things weren't equal???  Or maybe they didn't have a say in the selection process for the candidate?  I know I never got involved until the final vote! LOL  So much for democracy....LOL

[Rob13]

It's confusing to me that if this election was so important to the Dems why would they bring in a rookie and an outsider. They really aren't playing to win.

[craigt3365]

3 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

It became a lot less important to the MSM when the Dems lost.

Nothing to see here.

Back to Russia. 

It's all over the MSM.  So definitely important.  But, so is Russia as there are some new developments.

 

2 minutes ago, Rob13 said:

It's confusing to me that if this election was so important to the Dems why would they bring in a rookie and an outsider. They really aren't playing to win.

Bingo!  Bad strategy.  Seems they are now starting to figure this out.  Let's keep our fingers crossed at least one political party starts to get it together.  I know, it's a long shot....LOL

[Rob13]

1 minute ago, craigt3365 said:

 

Bingo!  Bad strategy.  Seems they are now starting to figure this out.  Let's keep our fingers crossed at least one political party starts to get it together.  I know, it's a long shot....LOL

Let's hope. It's gonna  take more of Bernie's way and less of Hillary's.

 

[boomerangutang]

Are Trumpsters tired yet, of winning so much?  Well, at least we now know that Trump, according to his claims,  "always picks the best people."    

 

Hitler would have probably said the same, yet Hitler's inner circle were rather adept at what they did.

[iReason]

32 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

It became a lot less important to the MSM when the Dems lost.

Nothing to see here.

Back to Russia. 

 

 

Perhaps you are starting to get it.

 

The election is over. (unfortunately it's generally the first go to point from the Trumpeteers)

 

And yes, I agree.

Back to more important current events like the confirmed Russian meddling in the election, the investigations into collusion, fraud and money laundering by the occupiers of the White House.

 

Any patriot would want to get to the bottom of that wouldn't they?

[PattayaJames]

2 minutes ago, iReason said:

The election is over. (unfortunately it's generally the first go to point from the Trumpeteers)

 

We were talking about yesterdays congressional special election.