Dual citizenship , Immigration

[thetruth revealer]

Just beeing curious , how does the Computer system count a person with Double Nationality ?

Is it right to assume that such person will appear twice in the computer , so in theory it would be possible to switch passports once in a while to avoid reaching the maximum allowed time within the regulations?

Maybe Ubon Joe knows more about ???

 

 

 

Thanks and greets

[jpinx]

Immigration link your two or more passports, but your visa and any extensions, entry stamps, etc will all be applied to only one passport.  You can not chop and change while inside the country.

[BritTim]

Immigration will want to link your multiple passports in their system if they can. With consecutive passports from the same country, this is usually easy. These days, the new passport normally has a note of previous passports in its electronic chip. With dual nationality, they most likely will not link the passports. You need to swap when traveling by air (switching at a land border cannot usually be done) but otherwise you are unlikely to have problems unless an immigration official finds you memorable in some way.

[thetruth revealer]

2 hours ago, BritTim said:

Immigration will want to link your multiple passports in their system if they can. With consecutive passports from the same country, this is usually easy. These days, the new passport normally has a note of previous passports in its electronic chip. With dual nationality, they most likely will not link the passports. You need to swap when traveling by air (switching at a land border cannot usually be done) but otherwise you are unlikely to have problems unless an immigration official finds you memorable in some way.

Thats 100% true , regarding swap its only possible travelling by Air, it was denied from Nong Khai to Vientiane from the Lao Immigration recently, but easily accepted while coming from KL to CNX, same from Suvarnabhumi to Manila repeatedly.

 

But my question is, if the allowed time to stay in the country, per example on TR Visa could be stretched by using both Passports , because never reaching the maximum amount of days within the 180 days consecutive. Technically its possible , if the computer doesnt add up the summary of time staying in LOS , based on both Nationalities. But, does the computer show the Immigration my both Nationalities when at the border and what if they would realize that ? Could or would they somehow manually add up the time ?

 

[thetruth revealer]

3 hours ago, jpinx said:

Immigration link your two or more passports, but your visa and any extensions, entry stamps, etc will all be applied to only one passport.  You can not chop and change while inside the country.

Why would somebody swap while inside the country? Nonsense.

 

[BritTim]

1 minute ago, thetruth revealer said:

Thats 100% true , regarding swap its only possible travelling by Air, it was denied from Nong Khai to Vientiane from the Lao Immigration recently, but easily accepted while coming from KL to CNX, same from Suvarnabhumi to Manila repeatedly.

 

But my question is, if the allowed time to stay in the country, per example on TR Visa could be stretched by using both Passports , because never reaching the maximum amount of days within the 180 days consecutive. Technically its possible , if the computer doesnt add up the summary of time staying in LOS , based on both Nationalities. But, does the computer show the Immigration my both Nationalities when at the border and what if they would realize that ? Could or would they somehow manually add up the time ?

 

 

As I stated before if (i) you swap by doing an in/out by air, and (ii) immigration do not successfully make the connection, you will be OK. If they do realize you are using two passports (and they might, especially if an IO recognizes you) then they will probably think you are gaming the system, and be more strict than usual. It is a bit of a gamble. If you use different airports depending on the passport you enter on, you will almost certainly be OK as you are very unlikely to encounter an IO who remembers you from the other passport.

[thetruth revealer]

2 minutes ago, BritTim said:

 

As I stated before if (i) you swap by doing an in/out by air, and (ii) immigration do not successfully make the connection, you will be OK. If they do realize you are using two passports (and they might, especially if an IO recognizes you) then they will probably think you are gaming the system, and be more strict than usual. It is a bit of a gamble. If you use different airports depending on the passport you enter on, you will almost certainly be OK as you are very unlikely to encounter an IO who remembers you from the other passport.

More then once i even asked the IO if i can choose between the two different Passports and showed them both , without any problem they said yes its ok.

So far, what could they do about as its a legal passport ?

The only question is if they count me as one person or technically as two , because based on their own computer system im registered twice .

And depending on that ,it could make a big difference regarding the maximum allowed time to stay in the country, on each of the two different passports of the two different nationalities. Im just guessing there is no clear regulation for such cases and as long the computer doesnt alert it will work fine.

 

 

[blackcab]

5 hours ago, BritTim said:

These days, the new passport normally has a note of previous passports in its electronic chip.

 

UK passports don't. You can actually check what data is on the chip yourself if you go to a passport office in the UK. They have a passport scanner set up for public use so you can see the details for yourself. 

 

UK passports have the same data that is printed on the passport and biometric information obtained from analysing your photo.

[mahjongguy]

Also, there is no 180 day limit that effects entries.

[jpinx]

9 hours ago, thetruth revealer said:

Thats 100% true , regarding swap its only possible travelling by Air, it was denied from Nong Khai to Vientiane from the Lao Immigration recently, but easily accepted while coming from KL to CNX, same from Suvarnabhumi to Manila repeatedly.

 

But my question is, if the allowed time to stay in the country, per example on TR Visa could be stretched by using both Passports , because never reaching the maximum amount of days within the 180 days consecutive. Technically its possible , if the computer doesnt add up the summary of time staying in LOS , based on both Nationalities. But, does the computer show the Immigration my both Nationalities when at the border and what if they would realize that ? Could or would they somehow manually add up the time ?

 

Assuming you are talking about  a second passport from your home country, you will need to consult with your immigration office to see if they will allow any crossover.  For multiple nationalities it is not possible, and the only way to move from one passport to another is by leaving the country and returning by air.  Immigration computers do link passports of different nationalities to the same person.  Going out to a nearby country will usually flag a problem if the immigration at that country do not see an exit stamp from Thailand.

[jpinx]

9 hours ago, thetruth revealer said:

Why would somebody swap while inside the country? Nonsense.

 

It has been asked before regarding extensions to a visa. 

[thetruth revealer]

1 hour ago, jpinx said:

Assuming you are talking about  a second passport from your home country, you will need to consult with your immigration office to see if they will allow any crossover.  For multiple nationalities it is not possible, and the only way to move from one passport to another is by leaving the country and returning by air.  Immigration computers do link passports of different nationalities to the same person.  Going out to a nearby country will usually flag a problem if the immigration at that country do not see an exit stamp from Thailand.

DUAL CITIZENSHIP is self explanatory.

Apparently you are not aware what we are talking about .

[jpinx]

1 hour ago, thetruth revealer said:

DUAL CITIZENSHIP is self explanatory.

Apparently you are not aware what we are talking about .

I think your case is well-covered in my previous reply.  Your arrogance will not get you many helpful replies, so -- wind your neck in - you're not the only person with multiple nationalities.

[thetruth revealer]

36 minutes ago, jpinx said:

I think your case is well-covered in my previous reply.  Your arrogance will not get you many helpful replies, so -- wind your neck in - you're not the only person with multiple nationalities.

Don’t argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

 

Arrogance `????

 

 

BTW, you shouldnt insult others regarding Forum Netiquette.

[flynn]

Done it many times swapping between my Aussie and U.K. Passport and never had a problem,

[jpinx]

4 minutes ago, flynn said:

Done it many times swapping between my Aussie and U.K. Passport and never had a problem,

You'll need to be a lot more specific before your commentary is actually useful

[Psimbo]

10 hours ago, blackcab said:

 

UK passports don't. You can actually check what data is on the chip yourself if you go to a passport office in the UK. They have a passport scanner set up for public use so you can see the details for yourself. 

 

UK passports have the same data that is printed on the passport and biometric information obtained from analysing your photo.

Errrr- yes they do- on the back page it clearly states that the passport replaces one that was lost, with its number. 

 

On the main query- so long as you enter and leave on the one passport I have never had an issue. I was questioned once on arrival as to whether or not I did have 2 passport, replied 'yes, is it a problem' and 'no' was the reply. I was actually happy to see they were checking things properly.

[Psimbo]

6 minutes ago, jpinx said:

You'll need to be a lot more specific before your commentary is actually useful

'many times 'and 'no problem'- who's being arrogant now?

[blackcab]

9 minutes ago, Psimbo said:

Errrr- yes they do- on the back page it clearly states that the passport replaces one that was lost, with its number. 

 

I didn't know that, but I've never lost or had my passport stolen.

 

On a passport that is issued in the normal manner (not to replace a lost/stolen passport) there is no serial number of previous passports.

 

I've attached a photo of my passport, with the photo and serial number redacted.

[flynn]

For example , if you have your retirement visa in one passport and leave with only a single re entry visa and need to go back to Thailand a few times for 30 days or less , you use your other passport to come and go, it only saves you a couple of thousand baht , saves a few pages in your passport when you are travelling to neighbouring countries like Cambodia which take a full page of your passport, using your U.K. Passport to Vietnam saves you a visa fee which you have to pay if you use a Aussie one , now that they are cracking down on how many visa free entry's you can have two passports would come in handy , never known them to cross check them yet !


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[KBsinter]

1 hour ago, flynn said:

For example , if you have your retirement visa in one passport and leave with only a single re entry visa and need to go back to Thailand a few times for 30 days or less , you use your other passport to come and go, it only saves you a couple of thousand baht , saves a few pages in your passport when you are travelling to neighbouring countries like Cambodia which take a full page of your passport, using your U.K. Passport to Vietnam saves you a visa fee which you have to pay if you use a Aussie one , now that they are cracking down on how many visa free entry's you can have two passports would come in handy , never known them to cross check them yet !


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Well explained, have an idea now..........lol

[thetruth revealer]

8 hours ago, jpinx said:

I think your case is well-covered in my previous reply.  Your arrogance will not get you many helpful replies, so -- wind your neck in - you're not the only person with multiple nationalities.

Lots of OFF TOPIC comments here.

Please re- read my initial question regarding DUAL CITIZENSHIP and  stick on it in this tread. 

Aniway , im still waiting for a reliable answer from famous UBON JOE.....

[thetruth revealer]

6 hours ago, Psimbo said:

'many times 'and 'no problem'- who's being arrogant now?

self explanatory is a difficult word for some individuals isnt it....

[thetruth revealer]

8 hours ago, jpinx said:

I think your case is well-covered in my previous reply.  Your arrogance will not get you many helpful replies, so -- wind your neck in - you're not the only person with multiple nationalities.

I dont need many helpful replies either. Just a good reliable one from a person which understands my question and experience or knowledge would be enough. ( Where is Ubon JOE )

Thanks for the attempt .

[jpinx]

2 minutes ago, thetruth revealer said:

I dont need many helpful replies either. Just a good reliable one from a person which understands my question and experience or knowledege would be enough.

Thanks for the attempt .

I think you'll find that UJ only has one nationality, whereas I have two, same as you, and I have tried various moves for things like getting an extension stamped in No2 for a visa in No1 - that didn't work.  Also - I tried the land-crossing double-shuffle and they were not having any of that - they did not allow me to enter Laos with No2 when the Thai exit stamp was in No1. On another occasion I did the double shuffle on a flight from Bkk to Vientianne. The Laos immigration officer started looking for the Thai exit stamp and I had to use a diversion (dropped a pile of money) to distract him from his quest.  I got away with that, but the rule obviously stands.  On one occasion I was shown my "file" on the Thai immigration computer and it clearly showed my name against both passports and a clear link between tham.  The guys at my local immigration office know I have 2 passports of differing nationalities and it does not bother them in the least, as long as they only have to deal with one passport at a time. 

 

I hope that information cuts through some of the flak and is of some use to you.

[steve187]

12 hours ago, thetruth revealer said:

Lots of OFF TOPIC comments here.

Please re- read my initial question regarding DUAL CITIZENSHIP and  stick on it in this tread. 

Aniway , im still waiting for a reliable answer from famous UBON JOE.....

This is an open forum, if you want an answer only from one person, then send him a pm, otherwise everyone is free to add there personal touch/comments to the thread, you do not control the content, the poster controls it. if the site was designed for the op to control the content then they would be able to delete posts, which they cannot, i think your op has been answered. maybe not with the answer you required

[thetruth revealer]

2 minutes ago, steve187 said:

This is an open forum, if you want an answer only from one person, then send him a pm, otherwise everyone is free to add there personal touch/comments to the thread, you do not control the content, the poster controls it. if the site was designed for the op to control the content then they would be able to delete posts, which they cannot, i think your op has been answered. maybe not with the answer you required

Does this open forum allow you or anybody else to hijack or dominate a tread or insult the OP or what , what you think is not important and irrelevant regarding this matter ,and just btw,  common sense would be to post helpful answers , if any.  And of course its up to me what answers i honor and appreciate in my tread, however yours was a bit unnecessairy. And if giving any answer , one would be required to read and understand the question first IMHO.

 

If somebody feel need to express himself why not open your own tread. Instead confusing and distracting , which happens a lot here.

 

Have a nice day and keep calm.

 

[lcp0761]

Dual citizenship is a legal immigration option and there are logical reasons an individual opts to go this route, if they are eligible.

 

As mentioned, when asked by the various immigration officers always tell the truth/never lie as to your citizenship status.  Don't be intimidated by the immigration officer - know the laws.

 

The individuals "birth" country will show it as such and display a second field for "other country citizenship" beneath the birth country field.

 

The dual citizenship concept eliminates the need for a green card or country permit to a 2nd countries citizenship for individuals who are legally vetted/approved. 

 

Unless the individual is going to permanently relocate to their new country, why give-up their birth country citizenship rights?

 

To answer the original question, does the person appear twice.  The answer is "no" assuming they are using the same name for both country citizenships.

 

The answer is also "no" using different names --- my wife uses her "maiden name" for her birth country citizenship and her "married name" for her 2nd country citizenship, so this answer strings together the two names by an "alias name" depending on which countries citizenship database your looking at.

 

Hope this helps.

[Get Real]

Maybe it´s just time for all people switching passports to understand that there are real visas to obtain for staying the time you want in Thailand. All people that talk about and do these stusip things for trying to fool the system, only makes it harder for everyone that want´s to stay the right way. 

[lcp0761]

Dual citizenship is a legal immigration option and there are logical reasons an individual opts to go this route, if they are eligible.
 
As mentioned, when asked by the various immigration officers always tell the truth/never lie as to your citizenship status.  Don't be intimidated by the immigration officer - know the laws.
 
The individuals "birth" country will show it as such and display a second field for "other country citizenship" beneath the birth country field.
 
The dual citizenship concept eliminates the need for a green card or country permit to a 2nd countries citizenship for individuals who are legally vetted/approved. 
 
Unless the individual is going to permanently relocate to their new country, why give-up their birth country citizenship rights?
 
To answer the original question, does the person appear twice.  The answer is "no" assuming they are using the same name for both country citizenships.
 
The answer is also "no" using different names --- my wife uses her "maiden name" for her birth country citizenship and her "married name" for her 2nd country citizenship, so this answer strings together the two names by an "alias name" depending on which countries citizenship database your looking at.
 
Hope this helps.

Excellent documentation and advise not to be intimidated by Immigration officials and always tell the truth!


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