FredNL Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 (edited) Dear all, New rule at Chaeng Wattana Immigration (Government Complex) On Nov 16, 2016 I had to appear in person to receive my 1 year NON-O extension based on Thai wife. It was denied on the spot without any comment. They even had to let me wait till everyone else was done (17:30 h). I had to make a reservation on the spot to leave Thailand with the first available DIRECT flight to Amsterdam, The Netherlands (where I was born and only lived for the first 3 months of my life). I then was escorted to Suvarnabhumi Airport to the check in. (No luggage at all, only my passport and my notebook) and to the immigration to check out Thailand... I heard that: "It is written in the police order that you get 7 days to leave if your application is denied." This is NOT true. It is just at the decision of the immigration officer... Edited December 2, 2016 by FredNL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted December 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2016 I think there is more to it than a disapproved extension application. It seems odd they stamped your new extension date and then changed it to the same day. Normally if it was not approved they would of done a stamp stating that with 7 days to leave the country. The 7 days to leave is written in the police order. They could of also offered to do a 60 day extension to visit your wife for a fee of 1900 baht. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 That's a scary story. Wow in a bad way. I have a question though. If you go in for an extension application, for example 30 days early, and it is rejected, do you still have the 30 days to leave from your current permission to stay? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Were there any reasons given ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post steve187 Posted December 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2016 more to this than in the op 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post maewang99 Posted December 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2016 (edited) I'm glued. if this were at all usual business it would be a lot bigger than just a sad story. the first thing that seems weird is it starts off saying "there is a new rule"..... but that is not what the rest of it is about... it's a scary story that we don't know enough about to think any thing much. Edited December 2, 2016 by maewang99 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Briggsy Posted December 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2016 I wonder if the Immigration Officer(s) felt personally offended by something the OP said and provided him with one of the worse outcomes. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sirmud63 Posted December 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2016 i would imagine theres a history behind this somewere . .. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FredNL Posted December 2, 2016 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2016 There was no reason for denying the extension at all. It is at the discretion of the immigration officer. My wife has done some research and probably it was the passport photograph that was included with the application. I was wearing an orange t-shirt. They said to my wife that it looked like a prison shirt. That might have been the reason. 1 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve187 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 get a fresh non imm 'o' multi entry and bypass the extension process for a while. married extensions are approved by Bangkok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted December 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, FredNL said: It is at the discretion of the immigration officer. Certainly not in this case. The extension approvals are done at the division level of immigration which means a high ranking officer would be involved. There would have to be a reason for it and you would of been informed what it was. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevenl Posted December 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, FredNL said: There was no reason for denying the extension at all. It is at the discretion of the immigration officer. My wife has done some research and probably it was the passport photograph that was included with the application. I was wearing an orange t-shirt. They said to my wife that it looked like a prison shirt. That might have been the reason. There is always a reason. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nunoyabiznez Posted December 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2016 7 minutes ago, FredNL said: There was no reason for denying the extension at all. It is at the discretion of the immigration officer. My wife has done some research and probably it was the passport photograph that was included with the application. I was wearing an orange t-shirt. They said to my wife that it looked like a prison shirt. That might have been the reason. That sounds improbable as a reason. If you had ever been a convict here you would have been deported upon release, and they know this. What visa are you on? I don't mean to be intrusive but you have posted on other threads that you runs at least three businesses here, and moved one to Cambodia, maybe you have been indiscreet, and exposed yourself? At least you can relocate to Cambodia and still have an income, thereby insulating yourself from the worst of that very unattractive option! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredNL Posted December 2, 2016 Author Share Posted December 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, stevenl said: There is always a reason. I know that there must be a reason. It was NOT mentioned to me nor my wife nor our lawyer. She had a conversation with our lawyer with one of the highest ranking officers at Immigration at Chaeng Wattana (Government complex) today. What might have been the reason is that they didn't like the passport picture added to the application. I never had a problem, I always let my wife do the talking. I only sit and smile... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maewang99 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 (edited) none of the sensibilities that a long stay person would normally at all have... are reflected in how this has been presented so far. so whatever is going on, surely it isn't a normal long stay situation? and there's a lawyer? huh? Edited December 2, 2016 by maewang99 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 22 minutes ago, Briggsy said: I wonder if the Immigration Officer(s) felt personally offended by something the OP said and provided him with one of the worse outcomes. Do IO have the authority to do as they did ? Can they just march people off to the airport and put them on a flight with no legal process or rights of appeal or anything ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredNL Posted December 2, 2016 Author Share Posted December 2, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, nunoyabiznez said: That sounds improbable as a reason. If you had ever been a convict here you would have been deported upon release, and they know this. What visa are you on? I don't mean to be intrusive but you have posted on other threads that you runs at least three businesses here, and moved one to Cambodia, maybe you have been indiscreet, and exposed yourself? At least you can relocate to Cambodia and still have an income, thereby insulating yourself from the worst of that very unattractive option! I am having several business overhere. I could also have applied for a business visa as I had till 2014. But this needs way more paper work than a NON-O based on Thai Wife. Also having my working permit based on a NON-O Thai Wife. I don't need to stay in Thailand to secure myself of an income. The only thing that I am (still) here is my wife. Edited December 2, 2016 by FredNL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chiang mai Posted December 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2016 It sounds as though the OP was running several businesses in Thailand without having a business visa! 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 A off topic post meant to derail the topic and the excepted replies to it has been removed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunoyabiznez Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 (edited) 14 minutes ago, chiang mai said: It sounds as though the OP was running several businesses in Thailand without having a business visa! Agree it not all that bright to broadcast his impressive entrepreneurial skills without the correct visa, what is interesting is they would have jumped on him for this, one would have thought, if it is the reason. Given that's not happened, I am sticking with my assessment that he got the wrong guy on the day who decided he didn't like the guys turnout and/or attitude. Apologies for the quality, this is the sign outside an immigration office in Division 1, I think things are gradually becoming less 'sabai' than in days bygone, whatever one thinks of 'dressing up' when in Rome... Edited December 2, 2016 by nunoyabiznez 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post impulse Posted December 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2016 I hope the OP will post back when he gets a full understanding of what happened to him. Thanks in advance. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chiang mai Posted December 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2016 (edited) Well if it's not the businesses that are causing him grief (and I think it is) there sure as heck is an important piece of the picture missing in his story. Immigration doesn't simply deny a visa because the officer is having a bad day and then frog march him straight to the plane without cause, I don't care what you may think about Thailand and Immigration, it simply doesn't happen. Edited December 2, 2016 by chiang mai 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirmud63 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 6 minutes ago, chiang mai said: It sounds as though the OP was running several businesses in Thailand without having a business visa! nope . you dont need a non b to own a business here , its only for a work permit . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alocacoc Posted December 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2016 Feel sorry for they guy. As a consolation, Amsterdam is a great place. Hope you're able to sort it out. Good luck. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted December 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, chiang mai said: It sounds as though the OP was running several businesses in Thailand without having a business visa! There is no business visa. He had a non-o and/or an extension of stay based upon marriage and a work permit according to one of his posts. That makes it legal for him to work if he has a work permit for all of his businesses 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rijb Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 No offense. But, are you and your wife having any problems? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulfsailor Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 On another thread the OP mentioned he left Thailand on Nov 11th. Is it possible he forgot a re entry permit for the under consideration period, which resulted him getting in on a visa exempt upon returning before Nov 16th? Reason would dictate they would at least allow him to stay until that permission would end though. Then again, if he is working here with a workpermit, he would be doing those things illegally the moment he wasn't on a non-o, non-b or extension of stay anymore, in this case when he arrived back into Thailand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alocacoc Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 I red the OP again. If he mentioned something like he did it here about his businesses, this might be the reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Gulfsailor said: On another thread the OP mentioned he left Thailand on Nov 11th. Is it possible he forgot a re entry permit for the under consideration period, which resulted him getting in on a visa exempt upon returning before Nov 16th? Reason would dictate they would at least allow him to stay until that permission would end though. Then again, if he is working here with a workpermit, he would be doing those things illegally the moment he wasn't on a non-o, non-b or extension of stay anymore, in this case when he arrived back into Thailand. Yes, it could be connected to something like no re-entry permit. Edited December 2, 2016 by stevenl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thai3 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Fascinating, I would tend to believe all of it having had a very blizzard episode at immigration once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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