Fake diplomas and degrees touted openly online - share the story and get a further 500 baht discount!

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Fake diplomas and degrees touted openly online - share the story and get a further 500 baht discount!

 

Picture: Sanook

 

BANGKOK: -- Sanook.com reported on a fanpage online where fake degrees and high school diplomas are being touted for sale.

 

Everything from M3 (Year 10) high school certificates to masters degrees are available for between 2,500 baht and 7,000 baht.

 

And if you share the page to others you can get a 500 baht discount for your favorite qualification. The site is said to have 8,600 members, reports Sanook.

 

It says that better qualifications bring better wages and better job offers. Their fakes are brilliant copies because they come from insiders in educational institutes, they say.

 

But people using fake educational qualifications face severe penalties if caught. This can be anything from 6 months to 5 years in jail or fines up to 10,000 baht.

 

If fake certificates are used in the pursuance of jobs in the civil service the penalties can be longer jail terms and heavier fines.

 

Source: Sanook

 

-- © Copyright Thai Visa News 2016-12-08

[Sphere]

This means there could be thousands of people with fake degrees surfing porn and updating Facebook at workplaces around Thailand....

[ezzra]

 

With everything fake in this country, there's no surprise at all that diplomas and

other higher learning institutions credentials are to be bought on the cheap

however, this also can be said for any other countries around the world the

different being that in Thailand you can get an original and genuine fakes....

[meatboy]

try and get a job outside thailand with an ORIGINAL.

[Summerviking]

I Intitially thought the story would be about fake degrees held by tourists trying to teach in thailand......Im assuming that is a major issue too?

 

I suppose that the person hiring could call the institution in question before hiring someone?  Is that not done in Thailand?

[jaltsc]

“But people using fake educational qualifications face severe penalties if caught. This can be anything from 6 months to 5 years in jail or fines up to 10,000 baht.”

But, for another 20,000 baht you can buy your way out of being arrested and paying the 10,000 baht fine. 

[digibum]

Let's just be honest, fake or real, what's the difference in Thailand?  

 

I mean, you get someone with a four year university degree in English language who can't speak, read, or write it.  Why not just buy the degree and save four years of your life?  

 

 

[jaltsc]

1 minute ago, Summerviking said:

I Intitially thought the story would be about fake degrees held by tourists trying to teach in thailand......Im assuming that is a major issue too?

 

I suppose that the person hiring could call the institution in question before hiring someone?  Is that not done in Thailand?

 

Of course it's not done. The person who is doing the hiring got his job with a fake degree and has no idea that someone can get a real one by legitimately completing a course of study in an accredited institution.  

[digibum]

3 minutes ago, jaltsc said:

“But people using fake educational qualifications face severe penalties if caught. This can be anything from 6 months to 5 years in jail or fines up to 10,000 baht.”

 

But, for another 20,000 baht you can buy your way out of being arrested and paying the 10,000 baht fine. 

 

 

100% Guaranteed Diplomas.  We stand behind our diplomas.  If you are every caught using one of our fake diplomas, we'll pay your bribe!!!  

 

 

[fruitman]

54 minutes ago, Sphere said:

This means there could be thousands of people with fake degrees surfing porn and updating Facebook at workplaces around Thailand....

 

Nope. surfing porn is not possible anymore, don't you know that?

 

But they also sell this at kao sarn road, what's the news? 

[Scott]

14 minutes ago, Summerviking said:

I Intitially thought the story would be about fake degrees held by tourists trying to teach in thailand......Im assuming that is a major issue too?

 

I suppose that the person hiring could call the institution in question before hiring someone?  Is that not done in Thailand?

Fake degrees are a problem, but for many teaching jobs a Teacher's License is needed and the transcript has to be sent from the school to the Licensing agency.   The school must also be accredited.  

 

I occasionally get a fake degree, but since we have to verify the degree, the person is not hired.  

[Loeilad]

There are a couple of aspects of this that come to mind - quite apart from this being no surprise. this sort of thing is rife - the country is full of both Thais and foreigners running around with qualifications that aren't worth the paper they are written on.

 

Firstly have you ever considered how well qualified your doctor dentist or even nurses are when you go to hospital?......Universities are not immune to this sort of corruption.

 

Secondly I have recently become aware of the huge numbers of foreigners - mostly English speakers who are working here with unaccredited qualifications they have bought on the net the numbers appear to be staggering.

 

It is in fact very easy to check these certificates and degrees - tit is easy to find them on the net and it is also easy to find lists of fraudulent and unaccredited qualifications too......what I don't understand is why immigration, Dept of Labour and employers simply don't bother to do a check - a task tat takes about 5 minutes max.

 

 

[Loeilad]

20 minutes ago, Scott said:

Fake degrees are a problem, but for many teaching jobs a Teacher's License is needed and the transcript has to be sent from the school to the Licensing agency.   The school must also be accredited.  

 

I occasionally get a fake degree, but since we have to verify the degree, the person is not hired.  

This isn't a very accurate picture - some provinces /schools simple don't bother and if presented with a fake stamp will accept it.

also government schools aren't the only employers of NES as teachers - there is a huge private sector dealing with out of hours teaching and the corporate sector.

yopu don't need to show your accreditation but sometimes immigration might ask for an embassy stamp, but only after the visa and work permit are granted - it is when the 1 year extension is sought.

[rkidlad]

Thailand is lost when it comes to checking foreign degrees, so fake domestic degrees are not a surprise. A lot of the time here employers can be sold purely on how you look and dress. I had a mate here who was employed by a Thai company. He told me he did very little and was often dismissed out of hand when offering suggestions in meetings. At first it was okay, but in the end it just wore him down. He ended up moving home because being the token white guy was killing a piece of his soul everyday - forever. 

 

He had a degree. Did they check it? They checked in as much as asking. He never showed it. You look good, ergo you are good. No wonder there are so many farang spivs here. 

Edited December 8, 2016 by rkidlad

[Scott]

4 minutes ago, Loeilad said:

This isn't a very accurate picture - some provinces /schools simple don't bother and if presented with a fake stamp will accept it.

also government schools aren't the only employers of NES as teachers - there is a huge private sector dealing with out of hours teaching and the corporate sector.

yopu don't need to show your accreditation but sometimes immigration might ask for an embassy stamp, but only after the visa and work permit are granted - it is when the 1 year extension is sought.

As I said, "for many teaching jobs..."

Many schools hire people without a degree, so there is not necessarily a need for a fake degree.   

[ksamuiguy]

I have believed for years that Bank Employees have been selling e-mail address and telephone information of customers. I have had to change my e-mail address that I used a several banks. This stopped the SPAM and strange e-mails.

makes Ya wonder.

[Loeilad]

1 minute ago, Scott said:

As I said, "for many teaching jobs..."

Many schools hire people without a degree, so there is not necessarily a need for a fake degree.   

Still not accurate - actually you are splitting hairs

in rural regions some people will "waive" the requirement for a degree - in the corporate sector Immigration will demand a degree especial and the industrial regions - this is where hundreds of foreigners work the only way to get a job is with a degree real or accredited.

I have never needed a teachers licence to employ any teacher over the last 15 years. I have however seen a ludicrous amount of fake degrees, some quite impressive others simply risible.

I also know of foreigners working in other institutions outside eduction - including hospitals who have "fake" or unaccredited degrees. It is the basis for many who have make a long-tern career in theis country.

when confronted by immigration at any point, if they are lucky their employers step in and "sort out" the situation and immigration goes away....for another year or two at least.

[Scott]

5 minutes ago, Loeilad said:

Still not accurate - actually you are splitting hairs

in rural regions some people will "waive" the requirement for a degree - in the corporate sector Immigration will demand a degree especial and the industrial regions - this is where hundreds of foreigners work the only way to get a job is with a degree real or accredited.

I have never needed a teachers licence to employ any teacher over the last 15 years. I have however seen a ludicrous amount of fake degrees, some quite impressive others simply risible.

I also know of foreigners working in other institutions outside eduction - including hospitals who have "fake" or unaccredited degrees. It is the basis for many who have make a long-tern career in theis country.

when confronted by immigration at any point, if they are lucky their employers step in and "sort out" the situation and immigration goes away....for another year or two at least.

Well, I've only been doing it for about 25 years, so I do know all about fake degrees.   I also hired people for numerous different provinces.   Many schools hire people illegally and that is a separate topic and there are numerous threads in the Teaching Forum about the issue.  

 

But this isn't about fake degrees for foreign teachers teaching in Thailand.    So let's stay on topic.  

[Scott]

A post has been removed.   Please stay on the topic. 

[Loeilad]

 

"Fake diplomas and degrees touted openly online"

 

It is about fake degrees etc available online - and this is particularly prevalent in Thailand - but it is not just Thai people who take advantage of this it is foreigners as well - at least part of the reason for this is the authorities and employers do not take the problem seriously.

Edited December 8, 2016 by Loeilad

[smew]

Even with the real diplomas local knowledge is limited

Edited December 8, 2016 by metisdead
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[Nemesis7]

Wow why it doesn't surprise me. ...

[Jimbo2014]

Unfortunately not just Thailand.  Higher degrees are becoming more devalued each year with international universities having to derive their own revenue and cater to non-english speakers.  Now trump is likely to relax education regulation in USA.  Soon they wont be worth the paper they are printed on.

Edited December 8, 2016 by Jimbo2014

[PremiumLane]

1 hour ago, meatboy said:

try and get a job outside thailand with an ORIGINAL.

 

I know people who have, and gone on to study maters based on their Thai degree, funny that

[digibum]

1 hour ago, Loeilad said:

This isn't a very accurate picture - some provinces /schools simple don't bother and if presented with a fake stamp will accept it.

also government schools aren't the only employers of NES as teachers - there is a huge private sector dealing with out of hours teaching and the corporate sector.

yopu don't need to show your accreditation but sometimes immigration might ask for an embassy stamp, but only after the visa and work permit are granted - it is when the 1 year extension is sought.

 

I've never been turned down for a job presenting my Trump University degree.  

 

 

[digibum]

1 hour ago, Loeilad said:

 

Secondly I have recently become aware of the huge numbers of foreigners - mostly English speakers who are working here with unaccredited qualifications they have bought on the net the numbers appear to be staggering.

 

 

You "recently became aware" that foreigners are using fake degrees?  Have you even picked up your baggage yet?  Hope you enjoy your first trip to Thailand.  

 

Oh, and there is no special tax-free sale of gems.  It's a scam too.  

 

[Pib]

Fake certificates/credentials in Thailand are a big problem...and not just for upper level education.  I have a Thai in-law right now who drives for living who only completed 3 years of schooling getting school credentials which shows him completing 6 years which gives him a better chance at getting certain jobs.   He hasn't mentioned the price....I expect the price is pretty low otherwise he wouldn't be able to afford it.  He said what he's doing is a common thing.

[Ricardo]

How much for a Professorship teaching English ?

[Luckysilk]

2 hours ago, Scott said:

Fake degrees are a problem, but for many teaching jobs a Teacher's License is needed and the transcript has to be sent from the school to the Licensing agency.   The school must also be accredited.  

 

I occasionally get a fake degree, but since we have to verify the degree, the person is not hired.  

What do you suggest in the case of a Thai with a legit Masters obtaining prior to leaving the Kingdom ? In order for the degree to be considered real and not fake ?

[Scott]

6 minutes ago, Luckysilk said:

What do you suggest in the case of a Thai with a legit Masters obtaining prior to leaving the Kingdom ? In order for the degree to be considered real and not fake ?

If the degree is from a US based school, then it can be verified by the employer through the National Clearinghouse.   It's a good idea to have the degree and a copy of the transcript supplied by the school with the appropriate stamp and sealed by the school.   Most employers (or licensing agencies) want the transcript sent directly from the school to them.   This can be done with the authorization of the student.