Two dead as 15 year old students stabbed in rival school fight

[wvavin]

This is the result of the highly revered Thai education.

[brling]

4 hours ago, SKguy said:

Sad to say it sounds like this mindless type of behaviour is spreading here from the UK where this goes on every single day. Just spent several months back in England where the news includes daily reports of stabbings, especially involving youngsters.

 

 Wow, it did not take long before the Thai apologists chimed in, and "the behaviour is SPREADING HERE  from the UK"   Wait, surely "no Thai would do this", only farangs.

[dunroaming]

testosterone fuels 15 year old boys all over the world.  The problem here is the willingness to take it further and involve knives or guns.  With punishments being ridiculously light then there is not much to deter the youngsters.

[lvr181]

Change starts from the top.

[Wilsonandson]

Why do these kids have to use knives to settle disputes. In my day a good old fashioned game of conkers sorts the men from the boys.

[roo860]

Sad to say it sounds like this mindless type of behaviour is spreading here from the UK where this goes on every single day. Just spent several months back in England where the news includes daily reports of stabbings, especially involving youngsters.

Is it common in the UK for rival schools to fight between themselves, and result in murder?

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[Artisi]

5 hours ago, NextStationBangkok said:

Lack of social education and good conducts are thought at the early age!

 

Schools should report the rivalry to police, so that it can be controlled by giving counseling by parents and police.

Counseling by patents and police, is that a sick joke - the parents and the police are in the main the root cause of the problem .

 

[Nemesis7]

Sad incident. Dont know what should i say

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, SunsetT said:

Senseless and needless deaths can be minimised though by making access to weapons illegal and thus much more difficult to obtain.

Most are already illegal - it is certainly working, isn't it?

[laislica]

All the schools have gangs and the age range of the members is from the juniors to the seniors.
Many of the seniors have committed acts like this and got away with it, they then pressurise the junior members to do the same in order to become a member of the gang.
The school authorities and the police and parents all know about it but it's just accepted.
This is Thailand, get used to it.
 

What a dreadful waste of two young lives, condolences to their friends and family.

 

 

[Artisi]

3 hours ago, car720 said:

 

I have always said that Hollywood has so much to answer for.  In more ways than one.

Didn't realise that Hollywood produce Thai soapies; amazing Thai Visa- you learn something new ever day. 

[brling]

33 minutes ago, SirBuwanaDogbossKing said:

here we go again, another UK basher exaggerating reality

 

 Exactly, another UK basher that would just love to be a THAI, until then an apologist will do.

[TSF]

8 hours ago, Lingba said:

 

They think they are cool mimicking soap operas and other mindless movies and shows that depict young boys being "tough men" through violence..Brainwashed idiots with no education

Those dumb soap operas have a lot to answer for. All over the nation young people are sitting around watching those garbage shows thinking they're a blueprint for real life, which I guess they are in LOS....someone upsets you then get a gun or a knife and kill them or yourself while hysterically screaming your head off. A blueprint for Thainess.

[steven100]

Thais have always entered a fight to kill, where Westerners enter a fight for the victory or the win.

 

The problem being young boys and security guard thugs for that matter don't think about what could happen during a fight or the consequences after should someone die. It just not in their heads at the time. Also it is extremely scary and worrisome that 60% of male's in Thailand carry a weapon of sort. Khun Prayuth please have an amnesty and let's get a less violent society happening ...  Thais are supposed to be happy not killers.

[Docno]

11 hours ago, Misterwhisper said:

Thai males... immature, insecure and short-tempered children with violent tendencies at 8, at 15, at 30, at 45, at 60, and pretty much every age bracket in-between. Indeed, a majority of them never seem to grow beyond the unstable emotional state of an 8-year-old at all. Sadly, they're all products of their society.

Yep, because you don't have senseless gang violence in your home country, right?

[Moonmoon]

7 hours ago, SunsetT said:

Senseless and needless deaths can be minimised though by making access to weapons illegal and thus much more difficult to obtain.

How do u minimise access to weapons? Or even make it illegal. What is classified as weapons? Guns? Knives? Metal bars? Handphones? Pressure cooker? 

[balo]

I blame it on TV games , happens all over the world. Teenagers brain <deleted> up. 

[The Deerhunter]

Police know the identity of the assailants..... and will send a message asking them to drop in to be interviewed?????  perhaps??

[jaywalker]

Need knife control laws.

 

Like that will work.. PPPFFF!!

[halloween]

Given their age, I'm not sure what their punishment will be, but a public flogging would be a good start.

[Get Real]

9 hours ago, Artisi said:

Most are already illegal - it is certainly working, isn't it?

Yep! It is also going to be very hard to make knifes illegal and hard to get. That would certainly mean that the one who wants to cut their vegetables in home, have to accuire a certain license for buying that tool because nobody can be sure the purpose isn´t for bringing into a knife fight in the middle of the city. Huh! What a horrible thought. Some kind of sick way of thinking to, but unfortunately that´s the way the world is walking.

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, The Deerhunter said:

Police know the identity of the assailants..... and will send a message asking them to drop in to be interviewed?????  perhaps??

Provided they are not connected.

[halloween]

51 minutes ago, Get Real said:

Yep! It is also going to be very hard to make knifes illegal and hard to get. That would certainly mean that the one who wants to cut their vegetables in home, have to accuire a certain license for buying that tool because nobody can be sure the purpose isn´t for bringing into a knife fight in the middle of the city. Huh! What a horrible thought. Some kind of sick way of thinking to, but unfortunately that´s the way the world is walking.

 

In NSW, under the Summary of Offences Act 1988, Section 11C:

"A person must not, without reasonable excuse (proof of which lies on the person), have in his or her custody a knife in a public place or a school."

A 'knife' includes a knife blade, a razor blade and any other blade. The maximum penalty for this offence is 20 penalty units or two years in prison, or both. A "reasonable excuse" may be that you need the knife for work, for preparation of food in a public area, for recreational and entertainment purposes or for religious purposes. It is illegal to sell a knife to a person under the age of 16.

This law doesn't apply to knives that are considered prohibited weapons (for example, butterfly knives) which are illegal to own or carry at any point in time.

The same goes for Victoria, Queensland, Northern Territory and South Australia, which share the same restrictions on carrying knives. Tasmania changed its laws a few years ago to align with all the other states, except Western Australia, on this issue.

http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2016/10/is-it-legal-to-carry-a-knife-in-public/

[Get Real]

2 minutes ago, halloween said:

 

In NSW, under the Summary of Offences Act 1988, Section 11C:

"A person must not, without reasonable excuse (proof of which lies on the person), have in his or her custody a knife in a public place or a school."

A 'knife' includes a knife blade, a razor blade and any other blade. The maximum penalty for this offence is 20 penalty units or two years in prison, or both. A "reasonable excuse" may be that you need the knife for work, for preparation of food in a public area, for recreational and entertainment purposes or for religious purposes. It is illegal to sell a knife to a person under the age of 16.

This law doesn't apply to knives that are considered prohibited weapons (for example, butterfly knives) which are illegal to own or carry at any point in time.

The same goes for Victoria, Queensland, Northern Territory and South Australia, which share the same restrictions on carrying knives. Tasmania changed its laws a few years ago to align with all the other states, except Western Australia, on this issue.

http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2016/10/is-it-legal-to-carry-a-knife-in-public/

Thanks a bunch, Mr Halloween! I actually know that already. My comment was just pointing on how the things are and how they are not working like they are. If you had been taking yourself the time to read more of the conversation before, it could have saved you some of your valuble time in life that you just wasted on worthless information.

[George Graham]

10 hours ago, brling said:

 

 Exactly, another UK basher that would just love to be a THAI, until then an apologist will do.

Why on earth would anyone want to be a Thai when a substantial number of Thais don't want to be Thai.

[Rhys]

Quite sad, put those Sports programs in place...

[gemguy]

Question is: What will be done about this as it seems that events, such as this,  happen often enough.

Naturally it would be difficult to police such events and stop such events from ever happening again.

Meantime I believe everyone here thinks there is nothing at all being done about this said to be school gang problem and the violence that comes with the problem while the relevant authorities that could be doing something to stop the problem seemingly are not really paying attention to the magnitude of the problem.

I surmise they are trying to cope with the problem...( in their Thai way) but what could be done that would stop events such as we see in this post from even happening again.

No one wants to hear the ultimate bad news when the police tell you your child has been senselessly killed in a rival school gang clash while how are you, as a parent, supposed to know every detail of what is going on in your child's  life at school and how to keep your child from becoming part of a violent rival school gang.

I do not think it is bad parenting rather the relevant school authorities have to stop the gangs from forming and make school gang affiliation a serious legal matter that the police will have to deal with.

Although the police are pretty flunky about such matters and you can understand why as they can not be there every minute also but the police could instill a degree of fear in all the more kids and teenagers who may be persuaded to join the gangs and chance being involved in deadly events such as we are reading about.

Prevention and education and all the more discipline can go along way to reducing the formation of gangs within the schools in the first place.

But are they doing that already???

They have to try ..but it seems they are somewhat ignoring the problem and or do not know how to cope with it relative to each schools administration and just how diligent or lax each school is concerning the formation of gangs within each school.

They may have to form a serious law and try to enforce it within the school system that strictly forbids any child from being affiliated with a school based gang.

Meantime......What to do....What to do???

Cheers

[Artisi]

1 hour ago, halloween said:

 

In NSW, under the Summary of Offences Act 1988, Section 11C:

"A person must not, without reasonable excuse (proof of which lies on the person), have in his or her custody a knife in a public place or a school."

A 'knife' includes a knife blade, a razor blade and any other blade. The maximum penalty for this offence is 20 penalty units or two years in prison, or both. A "reasonable excuse" may be that you need the knife for work, for preparation of food in a public area, for recreational and entertainment purposes or for religious purposes. It is illegal to sell a knife to a person under the age of 16.

This law doesn't apply to knives that are considered prohibited weapons (for example, butterfly knives) which are illegal to own or carry at any point in time.

The same goes for Victoria, Queensland, Northern Territory and South Australia, which share the same restrictions on carrying knives. Tasmania changed its laws a few years ago to align with all the other states, except Western Australia, on this issue.

http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2016/10/is-it-legal-to-carry-a-knife-in-public/

So now nobody carries knives anymore in Aust  (except WA), that was easy, wasn't it?

[peter48]

17 hours ago, SKguy said:

Sad to say it sounds like this mindless type of behaviour is spreading here from the UK where this goes on every single day. Just spent several months back in England where the news includes daily reports of stabbings, especially involving youngsters.

 

A little exaggerated surely two deaths of 15 year olds in U.K. would be a rare event and big news. Occasionally there are drug Gang related crimes but not that often and not 15 yr olds. It's deeply disturbing for Thailand and indicates something. Sadly in very unequal countries as in Americas like US, Mexico , Honduras etc not uncommon. 

[halloween]

3 hours ago, Get Real said:

Thanks a bunch, Mr Halloween! I actually know that already. My comment was just pointing on how the things are and how they are not working like they are. If you had been taking yourself the time to read more of the conversation before, it could have saved you some of your valuble time in life that you just wasted on worthless information.

If you knew that a public knife ban can work, and does work in Oz, why bother with the puerile post about cutting vegetables at home?

BTW time required about 10 seconds.

Edited December 21, 2016 by halloween