rooster59 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Panel urges changes to wipe out patronage By Prapasri Osathanon The Nation TOO MANY government officials are accustomed to a patronage culture that encourages selective treatment and nepotism at the expense of the nation, the head of a panel tasked with wiping out favouritism says. “The patronage system causes damage in various dimensions. For example, it discourages many talented people from working in the government sector,” Admiral Saksit Cherdboonmuang said yesterday in his capacity as chair of the National Legislative Assembly’s (NLA) ad-hoc committee on how to fight the deeply-entrenched patronage system. His committee has recently compiled a 367-page report with detailed proposals on how to end the domination of the patronage system in Thailand’s bureaucracy. Full story: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30302742 -- © Copyright The Nation 2016-12-24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatOngo Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doremifasol Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Good luck with that.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Yes, Good luck. I am writing this with optimism not with sarkasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePai Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 it discourages many talented people from working in the government sector I can certainly agree with that !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 The very nature of the whole system is subject to nepotism, just take a look at the surname of the junta leader and the military Chief.................................................................... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Admiral Saksit Cherdboonmuang said yesterday in his capacity as chair of the National Legislative Assembly’s (NLA) ad-hoc committee on how to fight the deeply-entrenched patronage system. Guessing the irony is lost on him? (wondering how he got appointed to the NLA? election? merit?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerojero Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Yes, like the PM and his brother. Hypocrites! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadman Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Patronage....The biggest single scourge in Thailand that lays the foundation for everything that keeps it in the mess it is in. Good luck with ever changing that with some of the ridiculous laws and believes the country has. Until patronage is dealt to Thailand will continue to be a merry go round of turns of corrupt politicians and well meaning but out of their depth military leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 It would be easier to train pigeons to dig tunnels like gophers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goingmad Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 7 hours ago, sweatalot said: Yes, Good luck. I am writing this with optimism not with sarkasm Good luck with that :) Ok, only joking. We know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seajae Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 between this and corruption it is what keeps Thailand a third world country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debate101 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Patronage exists naturally in the absence of institutions and mechanisms that mandate transparency and accountability. Moral appeals are never going to be sufficient to make most people act against their individual interests and the interests of their network in order to uproot it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangon04 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 " His committee has recently compiled a 367-page report with detailed proposals on how to end the domination of the patronage system in Thailand’s bureaucracy. " what a wonderful way to use taxpayer money...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Is Thailand starting to wake up to their backwards ways, I certainly hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 21 hours ago, mtls2005 said: Admiral Saksit Cherdboonmuang said yesterday in his capacity as chair of the National Legislative Assembly’s (NLA) ad-hoc committee on how to fight the deeply-entrenched patronage system. Guessing the irony is lost on him? (wondering how he got appointed to the NLA? election? merit?) I'm sure the irony will be lost on him as he's a person of privilege, of entitlement so he and those like him talk of rules to affect others not themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) Even when Thai authorities know who are the most corrupt wheeler dealers, they don't go after them. At most, they'll do what Chaleum (head of anti-drug squad who is also hyper-corrupt himself) did several years ago: "We know who the crime bosses are. They know we know who they are. I'm not going to arrest them because they are already suffering the karma of knowing they have done bad deeds. I will however tell you the first letter of their names (and then Chaleum mentions several Thai letters)." In a nutshell: Thai authorities are incapable of cleaning up endemic patronage and corruption. It would be akin to them each drinking a gallon of bleach in order to clean their intestines. Edited December 25, 2016 by boomerangutang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 On 24/12/2016 at 9:36 AM, chainarong said: The very nature of the whole system is subject to nepotism, just take a look at the surname of the junta leader and the military Chief.................................................................... . Absolutely. Just look at the family names and and connections of the TRT, PPP and PTP and then remember a certain army general with the same surname who got promoted 3 grades above where he should have. Just by a co-incidence his cousin was the PM at the time. I only mentioned it just to make sure that there were no double standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 On 24/12/2016 at 10:50 AM, jerojero said: Yes, like the PM and his brother. Hypocrites! Or a former PM, his brother in law and even his sister. Hypocrites! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharecropper Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 36 minutes ago, billd766 said: Or a former PM, his brother in law and even his sister. Hypocrites! I really think you have missed a fundamental point in trying to make a fatuous one. Brother and sister were democratically ELECTED. Something distinctly foreign in the increasingly Orwellian Nightmare blighting Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 what it starts with the na Athuthra whatever... right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhizBang Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I have said it before and I will say it again. Prayut needs to prove his mettle by cleaning his own house first (the military). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10002000 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Of course. Nothing else should be expected. Thailand laws and mentality enforces heirarchy and special treatment for some over others. S tarts at the very top with an institution I probably can't mention, which almost self defines the issues, then down the chain through various dictatorships through the years, and complete unwillingness to set up free elections and a voting system. Sure there are aristocratic and rural disagreements between the various provinces. The USA had the same issue with small states and large states. The house of representatives where members come from each province in relative numbers might be nice, but the Thais in power have fought that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 10 hours ago, billd766 said: Absolutely. Just look at the family names and and connections of the TRT, PPP and PTP and then remember a certain army general with the same surname who got promoted 3 grades above where he should have. Just by a co-incidence his cousin was the PM at the time. I only mentioned it just to make sure that there were no double standards. Quite correct and I remember quite a few generals resigning over the Shinawatra appointment, for I knew several at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 13 hours ago, sharecropper said: I really think you have missed a fundamental point in trying to make a fatuous one. Brother and sister were democratically ELECTED. Something distinctly foreign in the increasingly Orwellian Nightmare blighting Thailand. I don't think so at all. So many people on TVF are complaining that the current military government have no experience in running a country, yet the previously "elected" PM had literally NO experience of politics, running a country or even working for a living and climbing the ladder of promotion. Who did she work for previously? Her brothers company as an "executive". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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